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Gurman: AirPods and Mac Accessories Likely to Switch to USB-C by 2024

seek3r said:
The ASUS ROG STRIX SCAR 17 also already can charge and run via USBC at 100w, I suspect it clocks down at 100w, but 240w is almost certainly enough to run at full power and just charge slower

My 16" work MBP comes with a 140w power brick but it works with a 65w brick just fine unless I'm pegging the CPU for hours on end in which case the battery will slowly discharge, otherwise just charges slower

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Gamers don't buy gaming laptops if they have to "clock down" to use a standard charger, that won't fly. My guess is that high end laptop manufacturers will need to maintain 2 charging systems like Apple does with MagSafe and USB-C.

Waste of money and resources.
 
Ethosik said:
Also people do realize USB-C doesn’t automatically mean higher than USB 2 speeds right? I had a motherboard that went through this. Always negotiated at USB 2 speeds even though it was a USB-C cable.
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The USB-C PD (power delivery) cables top out at USB 2.0 speeds. The data exchange is mainly to allow negotiating the power delivery. AFAIK most “data” USB-C cables transmit at least at USB 3 speeds ( 5Gbps).
 
icanhazmac said:
Gamers don't buy gaming laptops if they have to "clock down" to use a standard charger, that won't fly. My guess is that high end laptop manufacturers will need to maintain 2 charging systems like Apple does with MagSafe and USB-C.

Waste of money and resources.
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I think you're deliberately missing the point at this point. Look, the laptop you're using as an example of why compliance is bad is already compliant, so what exactly are you worried about?
 
seek3r said:
I think you're deliberately missing the point at this point.
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No, I don't believe I am. Its "regular" charger has an output of 280watts, I assume that can keep it running at full utilization and not to be in a state where it cannot keep the battery charged.

It's Type-C, at this time, can only output 100w, I also assume that puts the system in a discharge state where at full utilization it will burn through the battery and power down. You made the claim that it probably clocks down to prevent this from happening to which I replied that that isn't a solution. Why should the manufacturer need to maintain 2 separate charging systems when one is clearly not sufficient to keep that system doing what it is made to do? This is why mandates are bad, one size fits all rarely works well.

Even at the future 240w it is my assumption that this laptop would operate in a discharge state while playing graphic intensive games or doing intense workloads which is its primary function.
 
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"He added that "at some point in the next few years," Apple will probably begin transitioning entirely to inductive charging on the iPhone and the ‌iPad‌, a move that largely exempts the devices from EU law mandating a the inclusion of a USB-C port."

He continues to only focus on charging and ignore local data transfers. I tried using wifi-sync (on an .ax network) to for one of the iphone 14 migrations, and it was substantially slower than wired - even at USB 2.0 speeds still in lightning. It was so slow that I finally gave up, stopped the sync and switched to wired. USB C on the iPad is orders of magnitude even faster.

Why have terabyte sized devices if there's no practical way to get large volumes of data on and off them? Unless Apple changes physics, wired trumps wireless - it's no comparison.
 
icanhazmac said:
No, I don't believe I am. Its "regular" charger has an output of 280watts, I assume that can keep it running at full utilization and not to be in a state where it cannot keep the battery charged.

It's Type-C, at this time, can only output 100w, I also assume that puts the system in a discharge state where at full utilization it will burn through the battery and power down. You made the claim that it probably clocks down to prevent this from happening to which I replied that that isn't a solution. Why should the manufacturer need to maintain 2 separate charging systems when one is clearly not sufficient to keep that system doing what it is made to do? This is why mandates are bad, one size fits all rarely works well.

Even at the future 240w it is my assumption that this laptop would operate in a discharge state while playing graphic intensive games or doing intense workloads which is its primary function.
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I wouldn't call a 280w machine a laptop, unless you have asbestos pants. Maybe call it a notebook or small space heater instead.
 
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icanhazmac said:
No, I don't believe I am. Its "regular" charger has an output of 280watts, I assume that can keep it running at full utilization and not to be in a state where it cannot keep the battery charged.

It's Type-C, at this time, can only output 100w, I also assume that puts the system in a discharge state where at full utilization it will burn through the battery and power down. You made the claim that it probably clocks down to prevent this from happening to which I replied that that isn't a solution. Why should the manufacturer need to maintain 2 separate charging systems when one is clearly not sufficient to keep that system doing what it is made to do? This is why mandates are bad, one size fits all rarely works well.

Even at the future 240w it is my assumption that this laptop would operate in a discharge state while playing graphic intensive games or doing intense workloads which is its primary function.
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You're using an odd-ball example of a gaming laptop that uses more power than 99% of portable devices on the market to make a point as to why all mandates are bad? Puh-leez...
 
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dmylrea said:
You're using an odd-ball example of a gaming laptop that uses more power than 99% of portable devices on the market to make a point as to why all mandates are bad? Puh-leez...
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Exactly - The 16" mbp can charge via USB, so meets the mandate, but it also has a 140w magsafe adapter. I love the flexibility.

100 watts is vastly more than is needed for any forseeable tablet, watch, phone, keyboard, mouse, blood pressure cuff, mobile battery, headphones, ear buds, cheesy desktop christmas trees or literally anything other than a notebook/laptop/space heater. I'd love to not travel with a collection of ports - especially the ones that belong in a special level tech-hell like usb-micro or some proprietary connector that's only available with the original product.

Though we will need 6-port USB-C chargers for travel...right now there's no good solutions (anything from a reputable vendor with USB-C seems to be limited to 4 total ports).

Aside, one thing I'd love to see is for the large-sized magsafe connector to also support the small connector (e.g. use the battery pack to charge my airpods or watch, and my watch connector to charge the battery pack).
 
dmylrea said:
It's called being a standard. When everything uses it, if there is a need to change it, it will change, otherwise we don't need 10 different connectors for devices.

When was the last time the AC outlet in your home was upgraded to something different? Aren't you happy there aren't 10 different types of residential AC outlets in your country?
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thank you. USB C is perfectly fine, and how exactly will it stifle innovation? see it makes sense to just usb c all the things
 
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I imagine these will be released very near the end of 2024. Putting a larger hole into this small charging case adds no value really. But it will be compliant to the EU USB C new standard, which is lame IMHO. 😉
 
mdatwood said:
www.zdnet.com

Using the wrong USB-C cable can damage your tech. Here's how to avoid that

This is a minefield, but these tips will help you get the best cable for you.
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"
  • When in doubt, use the cable and charger that came with the device.
  • Buy good quality cables from name brands such as Anker. <-------------------------------NO THANK YOU
  • If any cable starts to get overly warm or displays any issues, stop using it!"

Having bought many of this company's crap past 5 years I say this. NO THANK YOU! Maybe they have support but other than cables and other sold items from Anker. More times than not their items fail. Costly cheaply made and just a waste of money. I had devices broken by Anker items. OverPriced and made in china crap. You can go to buy the same cables that we call 100 yen shops in japan.
 
MallardDuck said:
"He added that "at some point in the next few years," Apple will probably begin transitioning entirely to inductive charging on the iPhone and the ‌iPad‌, a move that largely exempts the devices from EU law mandating a the inclusion of a USB-C port."

He continues to only focus on charging and ignore local data transfers. I tried using wifi-sync (on an .ax network) to for one of the iphone 14 migrations, and it was substantially slower than wired - even at USB 2.0 speeds still in lightning. It was so slow that I finally gave up, stopped the sync and switched to wired. USB C on the iPad is orders of magnitude even faster.

Why have terabyte sized devices if there's no practical way to get large volumes of data on and off them? Unless Apple changes physics, wired trumps wireless - it's no comparison.
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It would also alienate thousands of musicians using their iPads for home and semi-pro playing and recording, and the developers of the hundreds of apps and plugins aimed at musicians. Maybe the lower end devices will become self-contained portless screens with inductive charging, but likely the Pros will keep USB-C. My guess is it won't happen at all, and this is just another example of pure fantasy from Gurman The Not So Clairvoyant who has to think-up some drivel to fill the weekly column-inches when the genuine leaks dry up.
 
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Techwatcher said:
They should just make a portless iPhone at this point. They can make MagSafe to USB-C converters for those that need it.
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Apple would have too include a MagSafe puck in the box and those are a lot more expensive to produce than a lightning cable.

The EU legislation says that phones must include one USB-C port.

Wireless charging is worse for your battery, slower than a cable, and uses more electricity; especially at really fast charging speeds.

MagSafe does not support data transfer, and wirelsss data transfer is slower than even lightning.

Apple let Lightning languish as far a data speeds and display support are concerned; not to mention not making it an open standard like they did with FireWire.
 
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Thank goodness. On my night stand I have three different types of charging cables to charge all my accessories, 4 including the Apple Watch charger. It would be nice to get these down to 1-2 cables.
 
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I’m at a hotel now and the room has about 6 USBs throughout the room. USB-A ports. What’s going to happen when apple goes all USB-C? Please think of the hotel operators! /s
 
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Funny Apple Man said:
It's shocking that Apple still stuck with the same USB 2.0 speed with the 14/14 Pro. If they're going to keep lightning for another year, the least thing they could've done is give us a faster USB 3.0 speed.
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Absolutely
I don’t care if it’s a different cable, it’s not like it’s built into the charger and I’ll take the extra cable

But I can’t stand that it takes like 20 minutes to transfer a 30 minute 4K video, it’s insane
 
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cocky jeremy said:
I hope they go completely portless on everything, just as a middle finger to the EU.
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Then stay with lightning iPhones. While the others enjoy faster and stable transfer speeds thru USB C. We win and you win with staying lightning. We should all have a choice. This is not even about EU vs Apple.
 
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