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I would rather replace an external 10 dollar cable than a thousand dollar phone when the internal port connector fails.

But if the port is dead, wouldn't replacing the cable be pointless?

This does make me wonder how many iPhones have Lightning connectors that are frying. Maybe they stagger the connections, but if they did, why are so many cables being destroyed. Sure, it could be that the cables aren't made robust enough to survive, but is the iPhone? Switching to Qi/wireless charging would solve that issue, but likely create a bunch more. There are people that just refuse to use wireless charging, just flat out refuse to do it.

'Don't watch the food cook'?

There were people that refused to use microwave ovens, but most of them are likely dead.

But back on topic: Apple should be required to enable wireless charging in all of their products (all devices should be wireless charging capable Out Of The Box from ALL vendors) and, since USB-C is The Next Big Thing, all devices should also have that capability to charge on a wire. (Selling 2 different versions of the case for Air Pods is ridiculous IMO)
 
All three AirPods models and Mac accessories like the Magic Keyboard and Magic Trackpad are likely to transition to USB-C by 2024, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.

Considering the EU ruling ANYONE could've told you that! This is a comment not based on insider leak but it's a logical explanation of what's going to happen. Fake 'predictions' after key facts are shared openly.
 
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Very slowly when it comes to iPhones.

This is what happens when a company has to manage switching over millions of devices. People forget all the complaints when the 30 pin switchover happened. What Apple has done is pushed many people to switch over to usbc in other areas, so when the iPhone switches it'll be a non-issue.

No it wasn't, Lightning was launched before the publishing of the USB-C spec
And there's no "USB-C port mess".

Typo. It was the usb port mess of the time.

Cables are fine. As good as cables can be.

Not true. I had throughout the years many phones with USB-C ports(including budget phones) and newer fried any phones no matter which cable I used to charge them and I also have a lot or 3rd party cables. I don't even see how that would be possible when any phones has overload protection. Even a bad cable would have no effect on the phone, the only way to fry it is through a short-circuit and that wouldn't be the fault of the cable.

Early usbc cables were frying devices. It was so bad an engineer started a site to test cables so people knew which ones were safe.

 
Do people forget the later iPad that had lightning with USB3 speeds? It’s okay to prefer lightning but have issues with the USB 2.0 speeds. I prefer lightning but wish iPhones got that same upgrade as the iPads did.
 
This is what happens when a company has to manage switching over millions of devices. People forget all the complaints when the 30 pin switchover happened. What Apple has done is pushed many people to switch over to usbc in other areas, so when the iPhone switches it'll be a non-issue.
They were really fast with the MacBook and they were similarly "switching over millions of devices".
Typo. It was the usb port mess of the time.
More like obvious lack of knowledge.
Early usbc cables were frying devices. It was so bad an engineer started a site to test cables so people knew which ones were safe.

That's not true and you proved it yourself. First you were specifically talking about phones but the example you gave is about a laptop.
Second the cable didn't really fry the laptop but an embedded controller that's also used for USB charging.
Google’s experience with their initial implementation of USB-C is very specific and can't be generalized to the entire market the way you did it. So No, early on people weren't frying their phones with USB-C cables.
 
Also people do realize USB-C doesn’t automatically mean higher than USB 2 speeds right? I had a motherboard that went through this. Always negotiated at USB 2 speeds even though it was a USB-C cable.
 
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Too bad defunding social stability for the poor hasn’t worked out too well in the USA.

Regardless as an EU citizen I’m happy this is happening and wish they’d push it on to more devices like shavers, and start forcing companies to make laptop batteries user removable again.
I still think it's a bad idea. If the EU was successful 8-9 years ago, we'd still have micro-USB ports on everything. How would you like your iPad Pro with only a micro-USB port on it? How will Apple (or any other manufacturer) cram multiple ports onto a modern cellphone? Should we have mandated the the original iMac have been shipped with a serial and parallel ports? 20 years ago, should we have mandated the 30-pin port on Apple devices? We'd probably still have those to this day if we did.

And while I'd be happy if swapping batteries on laptops were simpler (as in not glued in), I can't see how making them removable the way they were 20 years ago would be good for weight, thinness and run-times.

I just can't see how any of this will be good for innovation.

And despite the US's problems (and there are plenty), I see just as much if not more striking and rioting in France, for example. So I'm not sure bringing international politics into the debate over mandating the port used on single-port devices like phones is necessary.

Like I said, I'm all for market forces pushing Apple towards a USB-C standard like they're doing with iPads, but if a company has something better, I think they should be free to use it (and without requiring making their devices bigger/thicker just to accommodate a second USB-C connector as per law). People can then choose to buy it or not.
 
For everyone complaining about government having no right to mandate standards, should there be 2-3 different petrol (gas) pump sizes every time you want to fill up your car?
Except this hasn't needed to change in 50+ years. Having a standard on things that don't rapidly change, like the size of a screw on a door hinge, is one thing. Mandating a standardized port on a mobile device where it's very difficult if not impossible to add additional ports to accommodate port mandates, and for ports which may be obsolete in years, not decades like a gasoline pump, is something entirely different.

(And even then, the size of a door hinge isn't a legally-mandated standard... just a standard by convention. Want to buy a non-standard door hinge, go right ahead).
 
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Also people do realize USB-C doesn’t automatically mean higher than USB 2 speeds right? I had a motherboard that went through this. Always negotiated at USB 2 speeds even though it was a USB-C cable.
That's true but I would assume Apple would use a higher speed USB-C protocol, like Google does with their Pixel phones. Apple ought to be able to do the same considering that Pixel phones cost considerably less than their iPhone counterparts.
 
That's true but I would assume Apple would use a higher speed USB-C protocol, like Google does with their Pixel phones. Apple ought to be able to do the same considering that Pixel phones cost considerably less than their iPhone counterparts.
They could easily do that now. My iPad with lightning has USB 3 speeds.
 
They were really fast with the MacBook and they were similarly "switching over millions of devices".

Almost an order of magnitude more iPhones are sold per year than Macs. You're talking about 10s of millions vs 100s of millions.

More like obvious lack of knowledge.

So the usb charging situation was good when Lightning was introduced?

That's not true and you proved it yourself. First you were specifically talking about phones but the example you gave is about a laptop.
Second the cable didn't really fry the laptop but an embedded controller that's also used for USB charging.
Google’s experience with their initial implementation of USB-C is very specific and can't be generalized to the entire market the way you did it. So No, early on people weren't frying their phones with USB-C cables.

It fried his device and the devices he was using to test. It specifically was a problem with the cable. And you're going to split hairs that it was not the device that was fried, but the embedded controller inside the device. I'm sure when you tell people their iPhone isn't fried, just the port used to charge, that will make them feel better.

I fully admit that usbc has matured some since then, but the cabling is still a mess.


 
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They could easily do that now. My iPad with lightning has USB 3 speeds.
I think even Apple must see some limitation with lightning. Otherwise, why would all their iPads use usb-c (except the cheapest). The usb-c connector type can be used for much higher data transfer speeds than lightning on your iPad (like Thunderbolt).
And even besides transfer speeds, is not usb-c capable of delivering much higher power to charge a device than lightning?
 
That would be awesome

It will be so much more convenient to only have to bring USB-C cables with me when traveling instead of both USB-C and lightning

Having everything using the same charger is definitely the way to go - looking forward to the iPhone getting USB-C as well
I can only imagine the absolute dread you must feel when traveling because you have to bring two small cables with you, rather than just one. I would just give up on travel for the next year.
 
Here's something that will blow your mind, Apple does not have near the power hungriness of a full powered Dell with a 308x0 or 40x0 gpu.

USB-C is not the way to go with a 13th gen intel plus 40x0 nvidia gpu!
The newest USBC spec supports 240 watts....
 
Great idea except for the tens, if not hundreds, of million vehicles that are equipped with wired CarPlay. So if I get a new iPhone I would lose CarPlay on my vehicle. Guess I won't be buying a new iPhone any time in the foreseeable future and I'm sure as hell not buying new car.
To my knowledge the wired Apple Car Play uses USB-A or -C to connect to the car. I don't know of any manufacturers that have a direct Lightning connection. My wife's new Audi Q3 is wired using a Lightning to USB A. There are numerous adapters available. This "concern" is a Red Herring.

Coiled Lightning Cable, dé USB to Lightning Cable 3.3ft [MFi Certified & CarPlay Compatible], for iPhone 12 Pro Max/12/12 mini/13/11 Pro/X/8/iPad​

 
Almost an order of magnitude more iPhones are sold per year than Macs. You're talking about 10s of millions vs 100s of millions.

Now you are just making excuses. It's millions vs millions just like you've said.


So the usb charging situation was good when Lightning was introduced?
Well it's wasn't like you said it was because you messes up the facts.

It fried his device and the devices he was using to test. It specifically was a problem with the cable. And you're going to split hairs that it was not the device that was fried, but the embedded controller inside the device. I'm sure when you tell people their iPhone isn't fried, just the port used to charge, that will make them feel better.
It was a specific device problem not a general cable problem.
Also it was specific to Google and no other company. You made a generalized statement which you obvious can't support.


I fully admit that usbc has matured some since then, but the cabling is still a mess.


Nah, those are just FUD articles that scream for attention.
The subject is iphones and Apple accessories. None of these devices need HDMI, DVI, 4K HDR 120Hz, Thunderbolt or 100W or 240W capabilities.
USB-C is just the physical port and there's no problem with it.
 
Lots of people are waiting for USB-C now that switch is certain. Having people waiting to buy is not good business.

Apple should switch ASAP.
 
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So why has Apple been touring an obsolete lightning on iPhones when they have it on their iPads and Macs?

Apple could “innovate” by implementing the superior USB-C on the iphone years ago without the need for government regulations and interventions….

oh that’s right because Apple makes


$BILLIONS licensing and selling an obsolete port.

So if you don't like it don't buy Apple? Pretty easy concept. I'm sure you knew Apple used lightning when you bought your iPhone even though you had other options. If enough of you stop buying Apple products because of their "obsolete" port then they will change it.

Be brave, vote with your $$.
 
Current ASUS ROG STRIX SCAR 17 brick is 280 watts....
The ASUS ROG STRIX SCAR 17 also already can charge and run via USBC at 100w (which, btw, means it's already EU compliant), I suspect it clocks down at 100w, but 240w via USBC, which likely will be in the next gen laptop, is almost certainly enough to run at full power and just charge slower

My 16" work MBP comes with a 140w power brick but it works with a 65w brick just fine unless I'm pegging the CPU for hours on end in which case the battery will slowly discharge, otherwise just charges slower

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