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Its weird tant Apple had the luxury to plan their chip naming scheme and chose such confusing and overlapping names like Pro, Max, Ultra, Extreme. From a customer perspective, these name are not particularly great to know which one is appropriate to their needs. Arguably, people in the market for an M2 Ultra or M2 Extreme chip will probably already know what they need, but still, I think Apple could have chosen something more simple and coherent

But other than this minor detail, I’m very curious to se the capabilities of this M2 Extreme chip, even if I’m far from needing one

Didn’t Apple say that the M1 Ultra was the last chip in the M1 family? I could have sworn they mentioned it in the Mac Studio presentation but I could be remembering wrong
 
Honestly, Apple TV and HomePod need to be merged if they want to keep the Apple TV at that size. Otherwise, Apple TV needs to be shrunk to compete with Google, Amazon, and Roku at this point
 
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Honestly, Apple TV and HomePod need to be merged if they want to keep the Apple TV at that size. Otherwise, Apple TV needs to be shrunk to compete with Google, Amazon, and Roku at this point
I think my HomePod and my original 4K aTV have the same chips inside of them, so I guess it's possible? I prefer the freedom of being able to place my HomePod(s) wherever I want in the room, though. Not sure I would be a fan of having to have a HDMI cable running out of my speakers.
 
Its weird tant Apple had the luxury to plan their chip naming scheme and chose such confusing and overlapping names like Pro, Max, Ultra, Extreme. From a customer perspective, these name are not particularly great to know which one is appropriate to their needs. Arguably, people in the market for an M2 Ultra or M2 Extreme chip will probably already know what they need, but still, I think Apple could have chosen something more simple and coherent

But other than this minor detail, I’m very curious to se the capabilities of this M2 Extreme chip, even if I’m far from needing one
I agree. The MacPro should debut a ‘new’ processor named a different letter X, Y, Z- something.
 
Gurman said Apple is developing several additional devices that could launch later this year and beyond, including a new Apple TV with an A14 chip and an increased 4GB of RAM
I keep wondering why keeps Apple pitching older ARM based ATV's?
A12 to A14 sounds like they are finally running out of A12 and now forced to issue a A14 model as a sub.
 
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I keep wondering why keeps Apple pitching older ARM based ATV's?
A12 to A14 sounds like they are finally running out of A12 and now forced to issue a A14 model as a sub.
Granted, I think part of the reasoning to put those chips in was due to old stock. But I also think it's not necessarily required for consumers of the aTV. I can play my h265 videos (except for some exceptions that are +100mb/s 4K) without any real problems.

I would like Dolby Vision support, though.
 
Granted, I think part of the reasoning to put those chips in was due to old stock. But I also think it's not necessarily required for consumers of the aTV. I can play my h265 videos (except for some exceptions that are +100mb/s 4K) without any real problems.

I would like Dolby Vision support, though.
What aspect for Dolby Vision? For third party files?

Cuz I have Dolby Vision support for my streaming services on my 2017 A10X model.
 
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Because the Apple TV is already overpowered for what it needs to do anyway.
I briefly mentioned this in my previous post, but it struggles to play certain 4K files that are over the bandwidth/spec limit. So it can be a bit annoying at times. But yes, generally it does the job.
What aspect for Dolby Vision? For third party files?

Cuz I have Dolby Vision support for my streaming services on my 2017 A10X model.
Ah yes - I should explain - this is for Plex compatibility. Do you refer to playing DV via Apple TV subscription/etc? (So perhaps it's a software limitation).
 
Ah yes - I should explain - this is for Plex compatibility. Do you refer to playing DV via Apple TV subscription/etc? (So perhaps it's a software limitation).
Yes for my paid streaming services, Dolby Vision is supported and works fine. 2017 Apple TV, with 2018 LG C8 OLED, and 2015 Marantz SR5010 receiver.
 
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*In principle* aTV could do a lot to make a lower quality stream look better -- better upscaling, better temporal interpolation, detecting and correcting movies that have fscked up interlacing or 3:2 pullup or whatever.
(Yeah yeah, things like interlacing and correcting for bad frame rates SHOULD have been fixed in the studio before the thing even got on the air. And yet, here we are, with plenty of content being broadcast that's just broken...)

But Apple seem to be very unambitious in terms of this sort of improvement. I really don't get it. The iPhone team is populate by obsessives who will sweat blood for a .1% increase in things like image quality, while the aTV team is completely populated by slacker losers who couldn't be bothered with 20% low-lying improvements.
The ATV team and the Apple Maps team are relatives. Probably spend most of the day out the back smoking weed.
 
I'm ready for the M2 Mini.
Me too. Since the M2 supports up to 24GB or RAM I'm stoked about this little machine. We'll see how the pricing is but presumably a M2 24 GB / 512 GB model will be significantly less expensive than a Mac Studio. I just have no need for all that GPU power or the media encoding engines. It'd be nice to see a high-end mini with a M2 Pro, too. Just in case there's a need for 32GB of RAM.
 
They are doing too many stuff that is too similar. Instead of an up-to-date product portfolio they release devices like the 13 inch MacBook Pro with a TouchBar that has been removed in all other devices.
How can a 12 inch MacBook significantly differ from a 13 inch MacBook Air that has exactly the same chip?
12” will cost more than 13”: miniaturization is paid for.

In addition, 12” will be smaller, thinner, lighter, while 13” will be more suitable for less mobile use.

This has already been the case, why not do it again? I know that many Americans have a problem with size, for them small means economic, but it doesn't work that way everywhere, more in the United States than elsewhere.
 
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Why for the faster single-core? Just curious.

And even M2 Ultra won't likely have much faster single-core than M2, and in turn, M2 single-core isn't hugely faster than M1 single-core.

I'm not 100% convinced M2 Extreme will actually exist. It might as a 4 x M2 Max SoC, but previously I had predicted it would have a different nomenclature. I was thinking the naming would be different because it would have a somewhat different architecture particularly related to memory, even if it recycled most of the same cores.
One thing to note is that, if the M2's performance is in line with the A15, then the efficiency cores actually get a significantly bigger performance boost than the performance cores, so day to day operations that don't utilize the performance cores will get more of a boost. Depending on workflows the Neural Engine in the A15 is significantly faster than the A14 (up to 44% faster according to Aandtech). More and more apps are starting to use CoreML and in turn Neural Engine acceleration, like Adobe Photoshop and DxO Photolab so certain workflows may get an even bigger performance boost even with just a modest boost in raw CPU performance.
 
Its weird tant Apple had the luxury to plan their chip naming scheme and chose such confusing and overlapping names like Pro, Max, Ultra, Extreme. From a customer perspective, these name are not particularly great to know which one is appropriate to their needs. Arguably, people in the market for an M2 Ultra or M2 Extreme chip will probably already know what they need, but still, I think Apple could have chosen something more simple and coherent

But other than this minor detail, I’m very curious to se the capabilities of this M2 Extreme chip, even if I’m far from needing one
To be fair Intel and AMD's naming schemes are even worse. A consumer not familiar with the naming intricacies might not know that a 12 generation Core i7 U-series chip isn't going to be as fast as a 12th generation Core i5 H-series chip in a slightly larger laptop. Intel alone has i3, i5, i7, and for some lines i9 variants of its Y series (ultra low power) U series (low power), H series (performance laptop) and K series (desktop). That doesn't even cover their Celeron, Pentium, and Xeon lines. Apple's M-series product lines are incredibly simple by comparison. All of the various cores are the same speed across the various chips, you pick your chip based on the number of CPU and GPU cores you want which Apple clearly advertises.
 
Very possibly so.

The only thing going for an iMac Pro is that the all-in-one form factor is very popular and loved.

To your point, if they do release it, the price will reflect it for sure. I’m betting it will cost what a studio display plus an M2 Pro Mac Mini costs. MAYBE you will save a little bit (or get a keyboard and mouse or trackpad as a consolation prize).

And, again, to your point, that’s IF it ever does exist.
Possibly the only way to make the Studio Display somewhat reasonable would be to pair it with a Mac Mini, but that strikes me as overkill to pair something like that to a Mac Mini.
 
No idea what is wrong with the A12 Bionic chip. It’s not like TVOS needs anything more powerful. But if it won’t cost that much more apple can add a faster chip.
Gaming. Tried Apple Arcade? Other interactive Virtual worlds on the big screen.
 
We'll see how the pricing is but presumably a M2 24 GB / 512 GB model will be significantly less expensive than a Mac Studio.

I’m guessing $1499. Start at $899 for the M2 mini ($200 more, like with the Air), then $400 for the RAM and $200 for the SSD.

Still a fair bit less than the Studio, but that would still have better specs: 32 instead of 24, beefier CPU, far more ports, 10 GigE.

If you want the M2 Pro in the mini (assuming that’ll happen), the gap would be even narrower.
 
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I’m guessing $1499. Start at $899 for the M2 mini ($200 more, like with the Air), then $400 for the RAM and $200 for the SSD.

Still a fair bit less than the Studio, but that would still have better specs: 32 instead of 24, beefier CPU, far more ports, 10 GigE.

If you want the M2 Pro in the mini (assuming that’ll happen), the gap would be even narrower.
As someone reminded me earlier in another thread, the difference with the MacBook Air is that the M2 model comes with all sorts of other upgrades over the M1 model, for that $200.

There is a potential downgrade in the entry level M2 Air model though, which is a slower SSD. (The M2 13" Pro has a much slower SSD than the M1 13" Pro.)
 
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