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Kind of hypocritical that the same people that were complaining about China being too lax with COVID when it first appeared are the same ones criticizing them now saying they're too strict.
The CCP was allowing potential covid carriers to spread it around the world while locking down internally. Not a friendly act. The genie is out of the bottle - might as well let the Chinese people work - they too are suffering hard for bad decisions. Clustering them by the thousands in a small space for testing only causes more covid. Not smart. It's cruel.
 
What are your thoughts with the W.H.O.?
Good people work at the W.H.O. However, W.H.O. has lost a lot of credibility. Unfortunately organizations like this that can do a lot of good in the world start to suffer from corruption due to money, political influence and cover-ups. To work at an org. like this, you almost have to have ethics of steel. This beast of a disease has reach and almost religious zealot like status in some circles. The full story (truth) is not out yet.
 
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Wow so Tim Cook broke his promise. In WWDC20, he promised that the Mac transition to Apple Silicon would be **COMPLETE** WITHIN 2 YEARS. So this means that the new Mac Pro should have been released by June 2022 at the latest.


Ok, even if we give the benefit of doubt to Timmy and interpret his 2 year promise as starting when the first AS Macs were released in Nov 2020, we should still have the new Mac Pro by Nov 2022 at the latest.

Very unApple for Timmy to overpromise and underdeliver. Apple needs to and has always planned product launches way in advance. If those stupid heads in Apple Park can't churn out the new Mac Pro soon enough, then Timmy shouldn't have promised the 2 year deadline (he could have said 3 years instead; no one is going to blame him if the transition is complete in just over 2 years and he promised 3 years). Really shows how unorganized this transition is.

Tim Cook never promised a two year transition...

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Good people work at the W.H.O. However, W.H.O. has lost a lot of credibility. Unfortunately organizations like this that can do a lot of good in the world start to suffer from corruption due to money, political influence and cover-ups. To work at an org. like this, you almost have to have ethics of steel. This beast of a disease has reach and almost religious zealot like status in some circles. The full story (truth) is not out yet.
Are you excited for free speech to return on twitter?
 
Last I checked people were still working during Covid, and Intel and AMD have had no problems making new chips. Apple did make the claim during Covid too if I recall?
They did state the goal of completing the migration in two years. That was about 3 months into the Covid lock down period when we were not sure how long it was going to go on. Intel recently withdrew an arrangement with TSMC for a large amount of their N3 production due to their new chip designs not being ready in time. Factories in China are routinely shut down for weeks at a time as Covid outbreaks sweep through the factories.

While it is true that they do not appear to be meeting the original goal of two years, we’ll have to wait to see if there is a small delay or something larger. I am not too concerned if we are looking at something in the 3-6 months range.
 
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I think the iPad lineup is victim of Apple's pricing structure and their Quest for Margin.

The Air and, especially, the Pros are already so expensive that significant updates would drive the base prices even higher (an 11" MiniLED Pro could easily be $999 and the 12.9" could hit $1249-1299) and with a worldwide recession waiting in the wings, those prices could result in significant sales contraction, so at this stage better to keep them effectively "as-is" and look to get folks who did not replace their 2018 and 2020 models when the M1 model came out last year.

IMO, Apple should have just killed the iPad Air and positioned the 10th Generation iPad in that spot, giving it Apple Pencil 2 support and adding the P3 fully laminated anti-reflective display from the Air. That would have allowed them to raise the price to $499 instead of $449 and then they could have dropped the 9th Generation to $299. But I am sure they make more margin/profit off the Air than the iPad 10 so they want it around to try and, IMO, sucker buyers to upgrade to it.
True, but then the 9th gen iPad would be the “iPad” and the 10th gen would be the “iPad air” in all but name. It is a really strange mix of overlapping products. I don’t understand why they put the M1 into the Air. It would have clearly defined the Pro line from the rest of the line if the iPad Air got the A15 SOC and kept the M1 for the Pros.

I understand that they are in transition and some models are updated and others not yet, but it’s not clear where they are going with this. Especially with weird situations like the pencil gen 1 on the new iPad. Or how the Air and the 11” Pro are so close.
 
That’s why I said popular one and reason why that quarter was so high is due to the backed up demand that was not met in the prior quarter. Even Luca admits it won’t be the same next quarter. Whoever wanted a Studio, MacBook Air or Pro’s most likely got it. That 11 million might fall to a more traditional 8 million.
All true. But none of that makes the Mac a ”niche” product. Go to any college campus and you’ll see how MacBooks dominate.

Niche and popular are by definition contradictory.
 
I really hope in 2023 they do a redesign of the current 14" Macbook Pro. Look how chunky and outdated it is compared with the 2011 Macbook pro. Can you spot the difference? They really dropped the ball on the old school design. They need to make it slimmer more like the (2015 Macbook Pros) not look like a damn iPad with a keyboard.

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Wasnt the M-chipped Mac Pro meant to be released this year to meet the deadline?
There was no deadline.

At the end of Tim Cook's keynote, the Apple CEO stressed that the company was not cutting off Intel immediately.
"We expect to ship our first Mac with Apple silicon by the end of this year, and we expect the transition to take about two years," he said. "We plan to continue to support and release new versions of Mac OS for Intel based Macs for years to come."


There is no way to misunderstand the comment in bold. The transition doesn’t mean everything Apple sells will be AS based in two years, neither is there an end date. The fact that the majority of Apple products uses Apple Silicon now is indicative to a smooth transition these last two years even if something like the Mac Pro hasn’t been announced. Beside that is the one product Apple sells that has never been revealed on a schedule. ;)
 
All true. But none of that makes the Mac a ”niche” product. Go to any college campus and you’ll see how MacBooks dominate.

Niche and popular are by definition contradictory.
1.5 billion Windows PCs/Devices
1.5 billion iOS devices
2 billion Android devices
140 million active Macs in use

Yeah, it’s niche
 
I so wish they’d release an M series iMac with a decent screen size. 24inch is so outdated.
 
I've been waiting for an M2 Mac Mini to upgrade my old, slow, and not supported by Ventura, Mac Mini 2014. Will be ordering a Dell XPS and PreSonus Studio One. Bye-bye Mac, bye-bye Logic Pro X...
You won’t be missed
 
This is a cop-out. Until they birthed their M1 processor the measly Intel MacBook Air could drive two displays. This is just an artificial restraint to segregate the product lines and upsell to business where dual (or more) monitors are common.
Just curious: Whatever is it that you think is wrong with segregating product lines? Good positioning of different products is sound business practice. Chip supplies and yields however may drive some weird product lineups like we currently see with iPads.
 
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I really hope in 2023 they do a redesign of the current 14" Macbook Pro. Look how chunky and outdated it is compared with the 2011 Macbook pro. Can you spot the difference? They really dropped the ball on the old school design. They need to make it slimmer more like the (2015 Macbook Pros) not look like a damn iPad with a keyboard.

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As long as you are taking us back to 2011 please give us a 17" MBP with matte display as well - - I am in, whatever the price. Please keep the TB4 however.
 
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I so wish they’d release an M series iMac with a decent screen size. 24inch is so outdated.
Yes a lot of people really wished for a M1 Pro large iMac after the 24” M1 iMac was announced. But the April 2021 24” iMac is not outdated. It’s actually the best implementation M1 design with great thermal cooling that Apple came up with. Its color scheme caused many to buy a color that they design a room’s decoration around. The 6 speaker audio, was eventually incorporated in the Oct 2021 14”/16” MBP. The 24” replaced the older 21” iMac BTW.
 
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1.5 billion Windows PCs/Devices
1.5 billion iOS devices
2 billion Android devices
140 million active Macs in use

Yeah, it’s niche
You are being disingenuous. "Windows PCs/Devices" is not a single vendor. Mac sales are substantial, making Apple Macs the fourth largest personal computer brand sold. Fourth largest is not niche.

Similarly you are being disingenuous with iOS versus Android. Android is just a free OS, with devices not sold by a single vendor but by dozens of vendors. All iOS devices are sold by Apple.
 
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