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Looking at the specs for the Fenix 6X, switching between smartwatch mode and whatever performance mode can yield up to 21 days of battery life.
Ah missed that one. I’d be curious if real world usage matches that claim and what that real world usage is. What exactly is ‘smart watch mode’?
 
Presumably they're now focusing on areas of the market they weren't able-to previously due to the limitations of the early generations of the Apple Watch.

I think its a good move depending on the feature set and crucially, the battery life of this new Watch. If they can get a very long battery life, whilst offering everything they do today and the move advanced fitness features of the premium Garmin & Suunto devices, then there's definitely a market there. The Apple Watch as it stands, has come on leaps and bounds in terms of battery life when on GPS, so I've no doubt they are going to have people moving to them from some of the lower end Garmins.

I'm pretty sure the most expensive Garmin watches are up there at the $999 end of things and whilst they're brilliant for the fitness stuff, the rest of the smartwatch things aren't as good as Apple from what I've seen. But there's also a lot of brand loyalty and a real focus on the feature-set with people who buy that sort of watch. So it would be interesting to see what Apple could do to tempt them away. I guess for starters there would need to be a much more advanced set of workout and recovery stats available.
I see it more that the first few generations of the Apple Watch are aimed at the mass market. As that market gradually gets saturated, Apple will then turn their attention towards serving the other more niche segments of the market.

A "ironman" Apple Watch looks like it is intended to compete with Garmin head-on.
 
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Considering the popularity of the high end Garmin lines, I could see this being a hit. It would need to be in the same spec range as the garmin epix/fenix line. Customers would pay $900+ if it had the battery life the Garmin's have as well as the solar capability. If Apple does drop something like this and it doesn't come close...I think....nah, who am I kidding. People would still buy it.
So this would actually bifurcate the Apple Watch line as this version would have features none of the others do. Interesting if Apple decides to go that route. I’d be curious to see what Apple would do to get a lot more battery life and is it something they would intentionally make exclusive to this ‘pro’ model?
 
Apple thinks just because they throw the pro name on something they can jack up the price. Good luck with that.
The price resentment of Apple high end products is a reflection of the economic disruption for many.. Many who complain here should move to low price non-Apple consumer products. They’ll be much happier.
 
I see it more that the first few generations of the Apple Watch are aimed at the mass market. As that market gradually gets saturated, Apple will then turn their attention towards serving the other more niche segments of the market.

A "ironman" Apple Watch looks like it is intended to compete with Garmin head-on.
Interesting strategy if true. So far all the Apple Watch models have had the same functionality. If this ‘pro’ model looks similar to the rest of the lineup but has more features/longer battery life how do they explain that?
 
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I think that's a little ridiculous. Apple Watch by its very nature is a product with very short life span. After 3-5 years the hardware becomes obsolete and you're stuck with un outdated piece of technology. The gold casing or "rugged" casing does not speed up the processor or increase the on-board memory post-purchase. The reason people are spending thousands on mechanical watches is because a Patek Philippe bought today will have the same appeal in 20 or 200 years. This is not the case with Apple Watch.

Yes, most technology has a short lifespan. I rolled laptops every 24 months for 22 years. If you like being current and enjoying incremental feature additions it’s the price you pay. A small price in my opinion. Your analogy with the Patel is accurate but an irrelevant comparison. The good news is people have choices. Many who complain here should get a 2nd job and save up—- OR go to the Non-Apple market place. there are many low end alternatives. That’s the beauty of choice. Thankfully Life is unfair!
 
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You clearly have no clue what features the Apple Watch has

Just a few years ago the average adult didn’t even know the rate of their heartbeats or the number of steps in a day, now suddenly everyone is wearing a smart watch.

The number of obese people (FAT people) has not dropped globally and people have not become healthier as a result. If you’re fat and unhealthy, then you’re still fat and unhealthy and clearly need help. An Apple Watch will not encourage you to eat less junk food, otherwise we would have seen a massive drop in obese people in the last 5-6 years. Any other features are basically useless as we have seen that many healthy people don’t even know anything about their heart rates, number of steps, etc….
 
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I see it more that the first few generations of the Apple Watch are aimed at the mass market. As that market gradually gets saturated, Apple will then turn their attention towards serving the other more niche segments of the market.

A "ironman" Apple Watch looks like it is intended to compete with Garmin head-on.
This sort of rumour doesn't really tell us anything, that's part of the problem. The possible product range for these things spans such a wide spectrum of capabilities that its all just speculation. Will be interesting to see what it is though as there's definitely space in the market for a watch which can do everything the Apple Watch does, but also with features to appeal to someone who's doing longer/more extreme outdoor stuff. I'd love to see how they balance everything.
 
Because of course it would be.

Apple needs to do a better job of selling the features, etc. of their products before revealing the price. Jobs was great at this.

Jobs would actually tell you all the good reasons you need this, and then hit you with the “only $$$!”, and make you feel like you were getting a good deal.

I don’t get the feeling of a “good deal” anymore from Apple’s best products.

Now it’s: “hey check this stuff out. It’s new. I don’t know… ehhhh… it costs $$$$$. Bye!”
 
Based on many MR commenters, I imagine a smaller percentage of buyers would be “athletes and others who experience extreme conditions” and more of those who need status symbols, e.g., insecure affluent, creative professionals, Progressive influencers, oil country princes, etc.

Coming soon, the Apple Pro Watch Hermes edition, $1999 (requires charging daily).
 
I been an owner of the iphone since the original 2g version and to this date I have never own nor wanted an apple watch. Never understood the whole idea of it. I much prefer a simple Swiss watch than something I need to worry about charging.
I have an AW4 and the main value is for track fitness and it is pretty useful for directions for driving since it is us easier to take a quick look at the watch than to look at the phone. But that is pretty much all I use it for.
 
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If durability would be the main differentiating factor of that particular model, it’s a bit weird to me as to why apple would start advertise now how durable the rest of the line is. Seems counter effective as you could buy something - almost - as durable for way less.
 
Based on many MR commenters, I imagine a smaller percentage of buyers would be “athletes and others who experience extreme conditions” and more of those who need status symbols, e.g., insecure affluent, creative professionals, Progressive influencers, oil country princes, etc.

Coming soon, the Apple Pro Watch Hermes edition, $1999 (requires charging daily).
Yes Class resentment is common among Apple consumers. It’s always fair game to bash Apple as greedy or dismiss high end consumer products as “symbols” of the ‘’insecure affluent”. Karl Marx would not have worn an Hermes edition watch. The good news is, Apple ignores those who think that consumer technology should be egalitarian.
 
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Apple's rumored high-end Apple Watch model for extreme sports could cost around $999 – the same starting price as the current iPhone 13 Pro – according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.

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Samsung Watch Pro 5, the likely rival of 'Apple Watch Pro' (Image: 91Mobiles)

Writing in the latest edition of his Power On newsletter, Gurman compares the rumored premium watch to the current 45mm titanium Apple Watch Edition, which starts at $849.
Gurman compares the Garmin-esque Apple Watch model to what he believes will be its biggest rival, the already-leaked Samsung Watch Pro 5, which is expected to be announced next month. Samsung's "Pro" version will have a slightly larger display and battery than standard models, as well as a titanium case and a more rugged design. However, the most costly version, the 44mm model with LTE, is expected to be around half the price of Apple's rumored watch.

Aimed at athletes, hikers, and others who experience more extreme conditions during exercise, the new tier of Apple Watch will feature LTE, a larger screen, and a metal casing that's better able to stand up to abuse. Gurman offers a few possible names for the new device – Apple Watch Extreme, Apple Watch Max, Apple Watch Explorer Edition – but the journalist speculates that the model will adopt the 'Pro' moniker in line with its other higher price-point products.

The display will measure in at almost two inches diagonally, which is larger than the 1.9-inch diagonal screen size of the current Apple Watch Series 7 and the planned Apple Watch Series 8. It is also expected to include a more shatter-resistant screen and have a larger battery to accommodate longer workout times.

The sport-focused version of the Apple Watch will be sold alongside the standard ‌Apple Watch Series 8‌ planned for later this year and the Apple Watch SE, which is also expected to see a refresh in 2022.

Article Link: Gurman: 'Apple Watch Pro' Extreme Sports Model Could Cost Nearly $1,000
Great. Another higher price point to distract Apple so that the garbage leftovers get delivered at $399, just like the non-Pro iphone.

“Oh I’m sorry, did you want our newest sensor? Did you want a screen that doesn’t scratch? Did you want the color black or silver? You’re going to have to pay at least $699. And our $999 model has a bigger screen with a temperature sensor to make sure you dont get heat stroke!”

Absolutely no doubt that Apple will price it this way. Everything is a compromise with Apple for the last few years. Shell out a luxury car payment for their best, or be stuck with a compromised product.

😡
 
Given how easily scratched the screen is when engaging in some sports, I'm not spending that kind of money unless there's a significant improvement in the glass.
 
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If durability would be the main differentiating factor of that particular model, it’s a bit weird to me as to why apple would start advertise now how durable the rest of the line is. Seems counter effective as you could buy something - almost - as durable for way less.
Not counter effective at all. They advertised months ahead of newer durable Watch, so you buy the 7 now, then buy again when the hiker edition comes out at $999 with even MORE durability.

Now Apple got you twice with a purchase.
 
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Basically replacing The edition. 1k is too much really but if it’s 899 it’s not far off previous SS models.

based off the article it seems Gurman guessing more than anything else
 
Considering the popularity of the high end Garmin lines, I could see this being a hit. It would need to be in the same spec range as the garmin epix/fenix line. Customers would pay $900+ if it had the battery life the Garmin's have as well as the solar capability. If Apple does drop something like this and it doesn't come close...I think....nah, who am I kidding. People would still buy it.
You are probably right. People who do 10+ hour endurance events are a minority but there must be a group of people who would buy an AW if the battery life was doubled and no other changes made. Garmin has chosen their screen size carefully in order to maximise battery life, will Apple do the same?

Garmin EPIX/Fenix 6/7 are very advanced sports watches (I have one) and as an ironman triathlete I would still LOVE to have the experience of an AW. But even if they fix the battery life it is not enough for me to switch. The Garmin has long battery life, health stats, Garmin Pay, Music support, etc. No LTE and notifications suck, but they do 'enough' to keep me away from an AW. They also have firstbeats analytics that has really advanced metrics. This is really differentiating e.g. real time stamina and stamina potential during races is an awesome feature. Garmin also syncs your fitness data and health metrics across other devices e.g. your bike computer. So they have their own form of eco-system that locks you in.

So my heart says I want a pro AW if Apple launches one, but my head says it will still fall short.
 
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Just a few years ago the average adult didn’t even know the rate of their heartbeats or the number of steps in a day, now suddenly everyone is wearing a smart watch.

The number of obese people (FAT people) has not dropped globally and people have not become healthier as a result. If you’re fat and unhealthy, then you’re still fat and unhealthy and clearly need help. An Apple Watch will not encourage you to eat less junk food, otherwise we would have seen a massive drop in obese people in the last 5-6 years. Any other features are basically useless as we have seen that many healthy people don’t even know anything about their heart rates, number of steps, etc….
Sad truth, thats why i hope they start work on the software instead and create a real personal AI to make the apple watch smart so that it actually can contribute to a person to become more healthy by using metrics that are not shared with apple based on self learning about your habbits etc.

GPS sees you are at the mcdonalds, and your personal AI pops up and tells you not to do it because you are over your calory intake already, your hearth rate is above a healty person in the same age, the oxygen in your blood is showing signs you are not fit, stuff like that, in the end you can still choose to ignore your personal virtual assistant but i think it would help lots of people.
 
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