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Am I the only one who thinks it's a huge mistake to launch M2 so close to finishing the M1 line? Could the iPad Pro instead ship with the M1 Pro?
I don't know exactly when the iPad Pro will ship or exactly with what hardware, but both time and technology march on. It's going to ship eventually with something, and the KISS principle tells us it will likely be M2, whatever that is. And by eventually, I mean likely within the next 6-12 months. Remember, the last iPad Pro was almost a year ago already, back in April 2021.
 
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A 2010 Mac can do everything a M1 Ultra does only slower. With that reasoning the Ultra is completely unnecessary unless of course MacOS get some more features. Interesting to put the argument the other way around, is it not?

Perhaps I am an edge case but the iPadOS must have a simple and quick interface. In a teaching situation (or any other meeting) the Mac is not suitable at all, the UI is too slow. You are certainly not fiddling around with file management in these situations. You certainly do not accept app reloads (16 Gb RAM sounds good). If your work includes the pencil (drawing, note taking etc) the iPad is superior to a Mac. Screen size? 15-16 inch fits in most briefcases and believe me, when drawing in class, larger cavas is better than smaller canvas. A 4 m2 black board is the reference. Perhaps teaching is not a PROfession?

"Pro" people spend they time in apps, not in the OS per se. If you do you are another kind of "Pro" who should be using a Mac, Linux machine or Win PC (or all three). Choosing the correct tool for the job is indicative of a real "pro". Forcing a Mac work flow and experience into a iPad is not the way to go.

The reason I need a Mac is the poor external screen support and dependence of the Apps that are exclusive to Mac/PC such as CAD and 3D drawings. Within a few years, we are there.
The logic is flawed as your 2010 Mac which you claim macOS is slow is not an ARM processor like an A series chip which includes the 2017 iPad Pro models. AS Mac’s run most iOS apps that includes iPad apps in full screen minus screen touch capabilities.

The quality and quantity of apps running on AS surpasses either a
x86 Mac or iOS as it runs both AS macOS apps and iOS apps.

I do graphic design, desktop publishing, web design and some short video work in 1080p and 4K and guess what I use both iOS apps and macOS apps on my M1 laptop. If I was doing 3D graphics or longer 4K-8K video then I would get a more suited M1 Mac.

I am not sure as a teach if you have even researched what is available and capable or maybe you don’t have the time due to waiting on you x86 Mac from 2010 to get the job done. ?
 
magsafe aids efficiency as it ensures best alignment of the coils, still efficiency is below 90% which for battery sizes like iPad Pro is bad.
Funny that no-one published efficiency of their wireless chargers, that's what regulators like EU should focus on
Apple created MagSafe and implemented with Qi, there is nothing stopping Apple to reassign some of those magnets for data or even charging and remove the Qi component. This would basically take the SmartConnector and make it MagSafe equivalent.
 
I do know quite a few people that don't want to, or have no interest in taking the time to find out what the iPad can really do. Some are intimidated at the thought of using a new operating system, some are happy with what they have always used and just don't want to learn a new OS, and some are just perfectly fine with the iPad being their media consumption device. These are all ok, but it doesn't change the fact that the iPad is a very capable device that can and has replaced a laptop for a large minority of people. I myself am pretty excited, happy, and proud of the fact that at 61 years old, I learned a new OS on a device that has replaced my need for a traditional laptop.

Now, all that being said, it is true that not everyone can realistically replace their laptop with an iPad. My wife is an electronic engineer and at its level of evolution the iPad is in no way advanced enough to replace a full desktop OS for the work she does. It is reasonable to accept that the iPad cannot be everyone's primary computer, just as it is reasonable to accept that it can replace a traditional computer for many people. I am fortunate that my Real Estate and property management work are easy for the iPad to handle, and will only get better as the OS evolves. I do stuff like (create, fill, and sign contracts), create and edit documents, (create, edit, and annotate pdf's), hand written notes, file management, time management, emails, texts, client communication, sketching house dimensions, taking house pictures, and occasionally reading some news, playing a game, or watching YouTube while waiting for a client. My iPad Pro easily replaces a laptop for me and even makes using a computer for work and personal life fun again. Unfortunately a lot of people will never bother to take the time to find this out, who potentially could.

well for this type of work you need a keyboard, so if you have ipad+keyboard why not just go for a macbook in the first place?
 
well for this type of work you need a keyboard, so if you have ipad+keyboard why not just go for a macbook in the first place?
My whole story for the last few months has been how and why I easily replaced my MBP with my M1 iPP 11, which you can read at the link in my signature. And a previous post I made in this thread said,

"For my needs I would rather have a tablet computer that can also be a laptop than a laptop that can't be a tablet any day."

I love my iPad. It easily handles my Real Estate businesses and is fun to use in the process. The things I need to do, I can do way easier on the iPad than I can on the MBP. I work with creating and signing contracts, (creating, editing, annotating pdf's and documents), lot's of hand written notes, sketches of home and property dimensions, taking property and home pictures, etc. All of these and more are much easier for me on my iPP, alleviate the need for multiple devices, and cut my work flow. I had a MBP in the first place. Now I have the device that serves my needs best.;)

Check out the links in my signature for the story, and a list of all the things we can do on the iPad.:)
 
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Am I the only one who thinks it's a huge mistake to launch M2 so close to finishing the M1 line? Could the iPad Pro instead ship with the M1 Pro?
Not a mistake— Apple will want to show progress and iteration in the chip lineup— this is a huge part of why they switched from Intel. If they can iterate every year or two with new releases and make significant advances every few years on a regular schedule, it’s huge for them.
 
Not a mistake— Apple will want to show progress and iteration in the chip lineup— this is a huge part of why they switched from Intel. If they can iterate every year or two with new releases and make significant advances every few years on a regular schedule, it’s huge for them.
Yea but they just did a bunch of "iterations"... M1 Pro, M1 Max, M1 Ultra... and whatever the Mac Pro will have. Think about it, the Mac Pro will have an M1 but the iPad Pro will have an M2? I know technically it's not better, but it does give that impression that it's already obsolete....
 
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Yea but they just did a bunch of "iterations"... M1 Pro, M1 Max, M1 Ultra... and whatever the Mac Pro will have. Think about it, the Mac Pro will have an M1 but the iPad Pro will have an M2? I know technically it's not better, but it does give that impression that it's already obsolete....
It appears that for technical reasons, Mac Pro cannot use an M1 series chip. Apparently, two M1 Ultras cannot be used in the same machine.
 
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It appears that for technical reasons, Mac Pro cannot use an M1 series chip. Apparently, two M1 Ultras cannot be used in the same machine.
I don't know about that... there was a leaked schematic of 2 M1 Ultras (i.e. 4 M1 Max) stacked on top of each other.
 
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Yea but they just did a bunch of "iterations"... M1 Pro, M1 Max, M1 Ultra... and whatever the Mac Pro will have. Think about it, the Mac Pro will have an M1 but the iPad Pro will have an M2? I know technically it's not better, but it does give that impression that it's already obsolete....
I don't know Apple would fix that other than delaying any M2 product until after the Mac Pro is announced or released. There is a M1 scale graph that ramps up from M1 to M1 Ultra and whatever is in the Mac Pro. Then there is a similar M2 ramp that could start before the Mac Pro is released but it starts a bit higher than where the M1 originally started. Y axis being performance and X axis time. I suppose the question is how much time overlap Apple wants.
 
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Where? All I've seen are guesses.

The chip design and so far the OS design appears to preclude this configuration.
Yeah, it’s just guesses. Those that were in the know about how CPU’s work saw those blocks and guessed it could have been an interface and they ended up being right. Those folks are today thinking that stacking them wouldn’t be feasible.

The reality is they don’t need to have anything faster than the M1 Ultra. Whatever they attach to the M1 Ultra as far as ports/slots are concerned will be why people would need the Mac Pro over whatever else Apple offers.
 
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Yeah, it’s just guesses. Those that were in the know about how CPU’s work saw those blocks and guessed it could have been an interface and they ended up being right. Those folks are today thinking that stacking them wouldn’t be feasible.

The reality is they don’t need to have anything faster than the M1 Ultra. Whatever they attach to the M1 Ultra as far as ports/slots are concerned will be why people would need the Mac Pro over whatever else Apple offers.
Well the Mac Pro currently can address 1.5 TB of RAM so Apple Silicon does need to demonstrate that it can do more than 128 GB if it's going to beat Intel... and there is going to be an Apple Silicon Mac Pro and it needs to have something more than the Mac Studio... and it can't be just expansion cards because everything's already built into SOC.
 
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It looks like someone is making stuff up to generate traffic to his twitter account. However, it appears nobody is biting.

We already know such a hypothetical design for “M EXTREME” cannot be an M1 series chip, because Apple itself said so. Apple already said that M1 Ultra is the last chip in the M1 series.

However, we also know that two M1 Ultra chips cannot be used together.


Hector Martin is the guy porting Linux to M1, BTW.


Yeah, it’s just guesses. Those that were in the know about how CPU’s work saw those blocks and guessed it could have been an interface and they ended up being right. Those folks are today thinking that stacking them wouldn’t be feasible.

The reality is they don’t need to have anything faster than the M1 Ultra. Whatever they attach to the M1 Ultra as far as ports/slots are concerned will be why people would need the Mac Pro over whatever else Apple offers.
Nah. Mac Pro isn’t going to be M1 Ultra with extra I/O. It’s likely something quite different, and significantly faster too.

Yes, I’m now guessing too. ;) However, IMO, M1 Ultra with extra I/O doesn’t make much sense.
 
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Well the Mac Pro currently can address 1.5 TB of RAM so Apple Silicon does need to demonstrate that it can do more than 128 GB if it's going to beat Intel... and there is going to be an Apple Silicon Mac Pro and it needs to have something more than the Mac Studio... and it can't be just expansion cards because everything's already built into SOC.
That’s the thing, people are thinking “IT HAS TO BEAT INTEL!” The next Mac Pro mainly has to be, in some ways, better than the prior Mac Pro. Apple likely has a good idea of how many people ever installed over 128 GB in their systems. If that’s something like seven people, then it remains to be seen if Apple wants to maintain those folks as future customers. :)
 
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That’s the thing, people are thinking “IT HAS TO BEAT INTEL!” The next Mac Pro mainly has to be, in some ways, better than the prior Mac Pro. Apple likely has a good idea of how many people ever installed over 128 GB in their systems. If that’s something like seven people, then it remains to be seen if Apple wants to maintain those folks as future customers. :)
I agree with you but by that logic, then the Mac Studio should be the end of it because it's already faster than a $20,000 Intel based Mac Pro. There's gotta be something majorly different about the Apple Silicon Mac Pro for them to even consider making one.
 
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Nah. Mac Pro isn’t going to be M1 Ultra with extra I/O. It’s likely something quite different, and significantly faster too.

Yes, I’m now guessing too. ;) However, IMO, M1 Ultra with extra I/O doesn’t make much sense.
Yeah, it’s all guessing and we’ll know in a couple months. The Apple Studio Display doesn’t make much sense to folks, either, but there it is :)
 
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I agree with you but by that logic, then the Mac Studio should be the end of it because it's already faster than a $20,000 Intel based Mac Pro. There's gotta be something majorly different about the Apple Silicon Mac Pro for them to even consider making one.
Right, and the Mac Studio IS the end for a much wider selection of folks that need that level of performance.

Previously, the MacPro had to satisfy those that need the performance, the RAM, the SLOTS, the everything that everyone in that small group (folks that needed more performance than the iMac Pro) would need. Now, with the Mac Studio, that one small group has been split… into one that JUST needs the performance, and a smaller group that needs other features that the current Mac Pro offers. As, from Apple’s perspective, this group needs “the performance of the Mac Studio” plus “stuff”, then my guess is that the Mac Pro will be “the performance of the Mac Studio” plus “whatever they feel the majority of this small group of folks would find most valuable”. That may include every bullet point of the current Mac Pro, it may not (well, we know that one bullet point it won’t have is Boot Camp), or it may contain some subset.

Or, as those that need 1.5TB of RAM can buy a 1.5TB system today and likely won’t buy another for 5 years, they could create an Apple Silicon based system that uses 1.5 TB of RAM in 4-5 years.
 
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