The studio and Pro (which you can get two laptops for its price), SHOULD NOT be outperformed by next year’s laptop chip. That is the ridiculous part.
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Gurman: M4 MacBook Pro, Mac Mini, and iMac Coming This Year
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Wake me up when the M7 comes up.
I'd like for that to happen but I think Apple won't ever let Air have newer chips than the Pro (esp. entry level Pro which won't have a Pro or Max chip). That'll just kill their Pro sales.
OCLP isn't going to help you run macOS on an architecture it isn't compiled for. So if macOS 16 or 17 doesn't come with Intel code (which is likely), OCLP won't change things.
I am the tech director at a K-12 school. We just have USBC-HDMI cables for this purpose. It really isn't a big deal and they aren't expensive.
HobeSoundDarryl
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Starting at about $2K-3K higher than you probably expect, starting at about $2K-$3K higher, starting at about $2K-3K higher. Come on, realize it with me!!!
Hopefully you are piling up dream money to cover the price of it... and/or dream credit limit.
I suspect so many are imagining iMac 27"-type pricing, which, on a relative value basis, may have been the best deal of any Mac. I think the 27" was temporarily killed MOSTLY to address that "problem" (for Apple Inc)... that's is, kill it for a while, then resurrect it with a PRO suffix and charge a much higher price to "fix" the margin "problem"... with "corrected" pricing like Apple did in the past...
That's about SEVEN years ago... and much "inflation" ago... and not 6K 32" with Promotion & FaceID
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My nearly maxed out M1 iMac is still chugging along quite well day to day. The only thing that really slows it down are complex CAD-generated PDFs I have to deal with sometimes. I'm not sure an M3 or M4 would handle them better, but I'm eyeing that specific use case as an excuse to upgrade
They actually do make one as it turns out -- it's called a MacBook Pro.
There has to be something wrong with production of the M4 Ultra chip to delay the Mac Pro and the Studio into next year, right?. We should be on M5 by then, not still trying to revise M4 chips. Did the reduction to 3nm cause heat issues that they just can't get around?
Anyone who needs a computer now, would buy a computer now and not wait. Those who can wait are the ones who really do not need a computer now.
You’re absolutely right and the reason I don’t consider it a viable option to update my Intel Macs going forward (unless there’s a real possibility to do the same with Apple Silicon machines, which I doubt).
However, if macOS 16 is the first Apple Silicon only operating system (which is a real possibility), that would mean the last Intel macs released at 2019 like the Mac Pro 2019, or the MacBook Air 2019, or the 16” MacBook Pro launched in November 2019, or even worse, the MBA and MBP launched in May 2020, would only get 5 macOS updates: Big Sur, Monterey, Ventura, Sonoma and Sequoia.
On the on the other hand, it is true that many macOS 15 features are already exclusive for Apple Silicon machines, but my guess is, in order to not piss Intel users off, they could make macOS 16 still Intel compatible, at least supporting late 2019 to mid 2020 computers.
And now, I’m heading towards the ARM subforum in order to discuss to what extent it will be justifiable to cut support for M1 or M2 Macs given how efficient and powerful they are.
Can they leave the MacBook Pro alone? I get slowly making it thinner over time, but if it’s something drastic like the iPad, then that pisses me off because there will definitely be a hit to battery life and performance if they can’t fit one large enough in there with fans. Are there a lot of people complaining about this? We just in recent years got a functional MBP back and people here in the forums are already wanting them to turn it back into an iPad Air with limited functionality. So many short memory spans here.
Deep breaths.
You might not have recognized this yet, but you’re in the minority. Most people don’t need max power AND max IO. Therefore it’s not updated regularly.
To be clear, I am with you here. I also want a Max chip Studio update. But I am also in the minority. It’s important to remember that a for-profit company is not ridiculous because they don’t prioritize the niche use cases.
I’d also challenge anyone on “there is not a computer for me”. There is. There is no software incapable of running on current systems. Otherwise the software wouldn’t exist. Therefore, a computer for you does exist. It just might be a few seconds/minutes slower at rendering, exporting, publishing, or doing whatever it is that you ask.
It’s also ironic how M2s and M3s are suddenly so obsolete and incapable when the rumors of an M4 are out.
HobeSoundDarryl
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The justification will be how soon Apple can rationalize it to try to move that crowd to re-buy computers. It's always about the money... as illustrated by that OCLP project proving that Macs older than Apple's traditional cutoff can- in fact- run newer versions of macOS just fine. The cutoff is always about the money... and a new game with Silicon may be- in part- to see if they can speed up that pace of replacements towards iPhone-like turnover rates. Shareholders rejoice! "Another record quarter..." 💰💰💰
If they are already testing M5 machines, my guess is that M5 will come using N3P process, and it won’t be until the M6 that they will start using the N2 process. If they jump to LPDDR6 by then, we might se a considerable performance increase for the A20/M6 generation… The future is really exciting, but honestly I don’t want to keep living in the future but rather in the present.
Getting a used M2 Pro Mac mini or a base M4 mini as a stopgap machine, or waiting 2 or 2,5 more years, will be a tough decision… but as I already said in a previous comment, I think the most sensible approach will be to finally replace my 2014 Intel Mac mini with a properly specked out M4 or M4 Pro Mac mini, and enjoy the current technology instead of keep dreaming about M6 or M7s…
Getting a used M2 Pro Mac mini or a base M4 mini as a stopgap machine, or waiting 2 or 2,5 more years, will be a tough decision… but as I already said in a previous comment, I think the most sensible approach will be to finally replace my 2014 Intel Mac mini with a properly specked out M4 or M4 Pro Mac mini, and enjoy the current technology instead of keep dreaming about M6 or M7s…
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Pretty much. M4 is the first version since M1 with a significant IPC increase. M2 and M3 (and A16) pretty much didn't change IPC.
Yeah, sadly I agree, I’ve already seen some “rational” cut-offs, as well as other hard to explain ones…
A redesign of the MacBook Pros would be welcome. They're substantially uglier than the previous style, and much harder to lift one handed. They look like something from 2005 (plus the fugly notch of 2017).
I appreciate they're utilitarian and offer better cooling than before, but they don't need to be this ugly. Plus, fix the keyboards, so they feel solid again rather than hollow.
I appreciate they're utilitarian and offer better cooling than before, but they don't need to be this ugly. Plus, fix the keyboards, so they feel solid again rather than hollow.
Such an interesting table!
Really impressive the performance improvements during consecutive generations, especially for the A13, given that it was built on a 7nm just like the A12. I admit I underestimated the A13 at the moment, but the iPhone 11 has demonstrated to be an excellent phone, and our home’s iPad 9th gen is still running great and quite efficiently.
A bit disappointing to see the little improvement the A15 and M2 gen received, if it wasn’t for the clock boost. And I say this being the user of an A15 iPhone and an M2 iPad Pro, both excellent devices with excellent chips, if you ask me.
I'm on M1 Max and I won't be upgrading until the laptop's form factor actually changes. A chip upgrade still doesn't seem worth it to me.
Yeah, the A15/M2 and A16* generations had me a bit worried.
It's possible that Apple had other priorities post-M1 launch. We'll see how M5 does…
*) there's no corresponding M chip. Given that M chips are released less frequently, at least so far, they have to. skip an A generation now and then.
Apple is successful at pushing those who want that to get MacBooks Pro. So that's not happening.
It makes much more sense for Apple to launch a new bigger monitor so that you can pair it with a Mac Mini, a Mac Studio, or a Macbook Pro...
Putting it in a keyboard sounds very unlikely to me. Aside from the 80s design language you're going to have to deal with all the cables coming out of it, the thickness, ventilation and adding the cost of the keyboard itself to the device.