Also agree - there is no reason to drop hardware support since the M1…going to be interesting to see how Apple handles that.
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Gurman: New iPad Pro and MacBook Pro Models With M5 Chips to Launch Later This Year
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The Surface Pro is not “super thin, light, and small”, but besides that, let’s get to the main point.
Who really wants a Mac tablet? This battle between tabletPCs and real tablets was already solved years ago, with a clear winner in the market.
One thing is whether this kind of tablets are “fully functioning” on paper, and another is whether they are in reality. In the end, they’re basically used with a keyboard and mouse, because using touch as input for a desktop OS is terrible. And at that point, a real laptop is much better.
iPads are fully functional for what they’re designed to do, and much more pleasant to use than i.e. a Surface. It’s an incredibly successful device, and I suspect most of those who want a Mac tablet wouldn’t use it. Apple made the right call there.
Yes, because, even though Apple has sold WAY more iPads than Macs, with there being over 8 billion people in the world AND more being born every day, the vast majority of those folks don’t own iPads. Now, Apple COULD have kept the iPads at the M2 released in 2022, BUT there’s enough people that, when buying expensive products prefer something newer, that the latest being almost 3 years ago might not cut it.
It always surprises me that people think the only people buying iPads are people that own iPads even when Apple communicates that half of purchasers are new to Apple.
The two most popular things are they want it to “filesystem” and “be a Mac”.
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Yeah, several apps do this. If someone has an app they want to have background audio, reach out to the developer and tell them they want background audio. If enough people want it, they’ll support it (there’s not likely to be enough people that want it).
There's no rumors of it happening but the 2026 redesign would be a perfect time to let loose on a larger MacBook Pro than 16 inches.
Eh, I don’t think he ever really “got” the iPad. It’s probably hard for anyone that grew up on macOS to get the iPad. I mean, you can kinda discount the entire thing by the time you get to the missing apps piece. There’s no text editor for the iPad? I guess if it’s not called TextEdit but can edit text, it’s not a text editor?
I wouldn’t look to him for opinions on the iPad or iPadOS because he doesn’t even know how to use the system the way it was intended. Those opinions ARE valid for folks that want to use an iPad like a Mac, not for those that want to use an iPad as an iPad.
It’s not a very good article, though. Anyone familiar with iOS or iPadOS would pause just at the list of missing applications. Having been editing text for YEARS, they’d be quite bemused to understand that they must NOT have been editing text because the iPad doesn’t have a way to edit text. They might even open Notes to look at pages and pages of text wonder what does it mean to edit it if, for years, they’ve had no way to edit text according to the writer of the article.
It means the rest of the article also doesn’t understand basic facts about iPadOS and is just leaning on “wanting macOS Power User features on an iPad”.
And, the yearly updates are for folks that don’t have a device yet, anyway. If someone has a recent iPad and wants to buy a new one, Apple’s happy to take their money, of course! But Apple’s going after the billions of folks that don’t own an iPad with their regular updates.
I think they have less to be concerned about now that single core performance in a given generation is roughly the same from the Air all the way up to the Mac Pro. Intel used to force a performance gradient, so lower end solutions REALLY fell off the performance cliff as time went on. The possibility for a long software support window is there, it WILL be interesting to see what they do with it.
Yeah it will be interesting in the next couple years as that 6-7 year mark catches up, and to see if they will treat Macs differently than iPads, or if there will be a minimum memory limitation for 16gb for continued support, though I think very few M1 iPad Pro's had 16gb ram, i think the 1TB options?I think they have less to be concerned about now that single core performance in a given generation is roughly the same from the Air all the way up to the Mac Pro. Intel used to force a performance gradient, so lower end solutions REALLY fell off the performance cliff as time went on. The possibility for a long software support window is there, it WILL be interesting to see what they do with it.
I personally like the fact that iPads are so over powered I only need to upgrade one every 5-8 years. I always buy the base model 13” pro. I upgraded last year from the 2018 model which itself was updated from the first iPad ProFinally!
This will be what takes the iPad Pro over the top ... about time!
The iPad Pro has always been held back by inadequate hardware to take advantage of the incredible iPadOS
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Yet the surface line doesn’t sell well. They aren’t very good laptops or tablets. I personally prefer 2 separate devices that are very good at what they do then 1 device not good at anything.
If you’re sitting on an M1 machine (or older), the M5 is going to be a major leap. If you have an M2, hold out!
Here's my slight concern as I've seen some mention here in the past. I'm just not fully convinced on Oled for the MBP because of burn in which we know has been an issue with Oled devices. I'm sure that Apple will do the best they can with their tandem Oled screens to try and prevent this from happening for as long as possible (obviously in a scale of years) but I'd rather be safe than sorry by purchasing the M5 MBP instead of push myself to wait til M6 which would be their first iteration of an Oled screened MBP.
I was always taught it's best to wait for a company to get any kinks out of a first generational achievement in a device and not just blindly buy it and then be disappointed down the rode because of some hardware glitch (in this case the new display and also the thinner chassis). I'm already long overdue to replace my 2012 MBP, so I'm going to get the M5 MBP this fall. This will then give me a good 10 years of use at least before Apple comes out with Micro-LED, which will be much better than Oled.
I was always taught it's best to wait for a company to get any kinks out of a first generational achievement in a device and not just blindly buy it and then be disappointed down the rode because of some hardware glitch (in this case the new display and also the thinner chassis). I'm already long overdue to replace my 2012 MBP, so I'm going to get the M5 MBP this fall. This will then give me a good 10 years of use at least before Apple comes out with Micro-LED, which will be much better than Oled.
Then you're completely missing the entire point of iPad/iPadOS which is its simplicity. The iPad is already a "tablet
computer" but what you and others seem to want is something the iPad was never designed for nor intended to be.
If you want a more "Full fledged computer" then go buy a MacBook - Air - or Pro.
My slight concern with the M5 MBP is that the M6 MBP is going to change the shape of the display. Using the iPhone SE is kind of annoying with the shorter relative height of its display and the software designed around a taller display. If Apple removes the notch with the M6, there might be some display issues on notched laptops with software designed for no-notch laptops.
I'm also using a 2012 MBP and am considering upgrading to the M5 MBP. Redesigns are scary because that's a good opportunity for them to mess things up (e.g. by designing display cables that are too short) or remove loved features (e.g. MagSafe, HDMI, SD Card slot, Headphone jack).
Just picked up an iPad A16 to replace my 6th gen. Does every thing you need a tablet to do nearly flawlessly. The only thing I can complain about the base iPad is that it is limited by the 6GB of RAM.
Personally, I wouldn't see why there would be an issue between the notched laptop models and the M6 and newer models that didn't have a notch. As far as I'm aware, it only is there for the cameras as the notch doesn't have face-ID and it's not a dynamic island so shouldn't be any reason for a glitch since it just houses the Webcam.
I do agree with you on the redesign aspect being scary since we don't exactly know if Apple would keep or discard any ports. Hence, why I think it's good to get the M5 this year when we have the good ports we have plus the M pro chip models have Thunderbolt 5 ports which is a good bonus for faster transfer speeds. My one thing that I would expect Apple to do in order for people to want to buy the M5 MBP models would be to give them Wi-Fi 7 capability since the entire IPhone 16 lineup has Wi-Fi 7 already. Add this feature and does some internal upgrades if possible to the cooling system etc to make it desirable for people to upgrade or else those M5 models won't sell as well.
He literally wrote "Comparing My Favorite iOS Text Editors" 13 years ago, so that is clearly not his assertion.