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Gurman: New iPads and Macs May Be Announced Through Press Releases, No October Event

A lot of people here saying, oh that's fine it's just a spec bump.

For the apple TV, iMac, and iPad Pros? Sure. They're jumping to chips already introduced.

But the MacBook Pros they're getting new apple silicon chips not previously presented on stage, why would they not present them?
Also what about the rumored Mac Mini redesign or the fact that it's supposed to get the M2 Pro chip.

There's also the new base iPad potential redesign to announce.
 
kiranmk2 said:
I guess they could launch an M2 Max/Ultra version of the Mac Pro in the existing case (similar to the M1 Macs) to meet the 2 year transition timeline and then include the follow-up with M3 ultimate (or whatever it's called) with a new case sometime next year.
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errr no. The M1 Max has x4 PCI-e v4 lanes. The M1 Ultra has x8 PCI-e v4 lanes. The W-3200 in the MP 2019 has x64 PCI-e v3 lanes. In terms of lane count they are about an order of magnitude short. M2 generation isn't going to change that ( at least for the Max, but likely Ultra also). Besides some extremely Rube Goldberg contorted twisting with using Thunderbolt internally and massive hollowing out of the back-end backhaul bandwidth , there is a zero suppose in Apple's SoC line up for provisioning eight PCI-e standard slots for any kind of higher end workload usages.

A much , much smaller board with 1-2 slots in the current case would be a giant waste. Yes, Mini chassis is basically half full, but this would be way less than half.

The primary reason the Mac Pro 2019 has the dimensions and volume it has is due to PCI-e slot provisioning. Take that way and the whole enclosure doesn't make any sense anymore at those same dimensions. They could chop out half the slots but the height would need to drop by 1/3-1/2 also. ( probably closer to 1/2 since the feet and handles a substantive contributors which wouldn't change if still positioning the box for sitting on the floor. )

Just counting CPU core counts and presuming that it is 'good enough' for a Mac Pro chassis is missing the forest for a tree. Looking at the wrong stuff.
 
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Geoff12889 said:
I guess no new Mac Pro this year? No way I see them announcing their newest highest end system in a press release.
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If it is not for sale for 6 (or more) months then it makes a real material difference how? If can't even pre-order for 5 months what exactly are you going to do with a dog-and-pony show vs versus looking at pictures on a press release?

The last two Mac Pros have been "look don't touch" first for six, or so, months and relatively limited information ( not all the spec and certainly not all the prices ). Then after a substantial period of time get to a more material release where at least have most of the specs. And then prices on pre-order.

Back in April 2017 Apple rounded up a handful of reporters and did a "round table discussion" on future Mac Pro direction. No big show and snazzy video. April 2018 was even more limited 'leaking of info" ( mainly about how not coming this year). If Apple isn't going to ship within 6 month of October and the other press releases there isn't going to be much to say.

However, if this is going to be another major chassis change ( e.g., Apple GPUs only going forward and cutting the slot provisioning in 1/2 or more. ) then a press release would be just as informational for Mac Pro users to do future planning as a dog and pony show. [ Like the Xserve going away telling folks who want the current version 9 months ahead of time is enough to put the purchase orders process into motion so can make arrangements to get some of the last batches. ]


When Apple effectively said " Mac Pro later" they painted themselves into a corner in terms of 2022 pragmatically making some announcement later in the year. Even if that follow up announcement is "shipping in 2023 " . And going to have to control the 'spin' here also as they won't be completely the transition in "about 2 years". So invite a small crew of journalists they feel will craft it is as a "good news story". ( say something nice about us or you don't get the highly limited edition press pass and you'll get high clicks and ad views. ) .


Mac Pro doesn't merit a dog and pony show all by itself. It isn't that critical of a part of the Mac line up. ( e.g., how there is a broken analog clock prediction every Spring that a new Mac Pro announcement is coming at WWDC that Summer only drives home the point that the Mac Pro can't do it on its own merits. ) . If the other Mac stuff is SoC replacements in the same chassis boring. No reason to do a multimillion dollar production for a Mac Pro product that isn't even going to ship this year. If the other stuff was deserving then the Mac Pro could piggyback on that 'show', but there isn't much 'sizzle' here in the rest of line up changes either apparently.
 
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sfwalter said:
I thought for sure we were going to get the Mac Pro this fall. I guess there's been a delay.
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There was a pretty good chance when Apple said "Mac Pro ... later" back in March that it was so obtuse that Apple really didn't know 'when' at that point either. They knew they were working on it, but when it would be able to ship probably didn't have a firm 2022 deadline. If they were very confident they would finish in late Nov - early Dec they could have said "Fall 2022". They did not. No year , no season ... nothing. Just plain 'later'.

If go back to April 2017 meeting they had it was pragmatically same thing. They were working on a new Mac Pro but it was just in the pipeline to development. More than a few folks took that as WWDC 2017 ( which was loopy given the rest of the conversation heavily hinting at a iMac Pro. ). In April 2018 they announced "not this year", because once again, rumors were spinning about "has to be WWDC 2018 "; which it wasn't.


The "for sure" part was that Apple was going to put better timeline on the Mac Pro, not that they would be shipping it. Once the M1 line up was 'done' that put the Mac Pro onto M2 and it was likely on some more advance tech that could slide into 2023.

So if they did a 'sneak peek' in October with a six month lead to pre-orders, then "we would get" time would have slid into 2023 very easily. Once WWDC 2022 came and went with no update on time sliding into 2023 was more likely if Apple followed there past two Mac Pro release patterns.
 
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terminator-jq said:
Same here! Apple has shown me very few reasons to upgrade from my 2018 and it definitely seems like the M2 model won’t bring anything big either. Apple seriously put the 11” pro in an odd spot after updating the iPad Air… The rumors about the 11” not getting mini LED makes things even worse.

At this point it looks like I’ll be holding onto my 2018 for another year and hopefully the M3 iPad Pro will have a new design and OLED display.
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I really want a new 11” pro as well since mine is 4 years old now, but no mini LED, no buy!
 
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drew0020 said:
What do you want in an Apple TV update? (Except maybe a cheaper version?) The current Apple TV is super fast and supports all current formats. Not sure what else there is left to do? I mean they barely touched the software this year…
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I love my Apple TV 4Ks and I use them every day. The shareholder in me wants to see this rumored game-console-killer and first-party controller that is supposedly in the works, even if it’s not a product for me. Also have people who I’d hand mine down to if they did a spec bump, with perhaps a remote with Find My, backlighting, or whatever. AppleTV+ is getting really good, so it would make sense for the hardware to get some renewed attention. And many are asking for a cheaper option, such as a streaming stick.
 
James Godfrey said:
Soooo… the iPad Pro line up will be the exact same as they were back in 2018… so no refresh of the design from 2018 - 2024…. That’s hell of a long time for it basically look identical…

If the rumours about MagSafe and the 2 x 4 pin connectors are anything to go by I expect apple will want to have an event for it… plus the redesigned basic iPad that’s rumoured also… just seems odd for them not to have an event…
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it's okay. The software has barely improved too. Stage Manager sadly is unusable to a point I've turned it off completely on my 11" (screen too small) and just force myself to use it on the 12.9 but 95% of the time I prefer the standard full screen app experience. Too bad.
 
I don't think it would make sense to do a Mac Pro launch without an event.
People in the target market for that product want to know every thing about it.
 
I have the m1 iPad Pro 11. The only way I’m buying another iPad in the next 5 years is if they put the mini led on it. The 12.9 is a beast to carry around.
 
B-Mc-C said:
I love my Apple TV 4Ks and I use them every day. The shareholder in me wants to see this rumored game-console-killer and first-party controller that is supposedly in the works, even if it’s not a product for me. Also have people who I’d hand mine down to if they did a spec bump, with perhaps a remote with Find My, backlighting, or whatever. AppleTV+ is getting really good, so it would make sense for the hardware to get some renewed attention. And many are asking for a cheaper option, such as a streaming stick.
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I don’t understand a spec bump. There are no new formats and it may make it 0.5 second faster? I’m not sure what that would accomplish except keeping the price too high.

I think the biggest issue of Apple TV is the price of the unit itself. It’s too expensive so I agree that cheaper version (dongle) would help growth.
 
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Darn.

Was kinda hoping they'd announce an event so I could try and time selling my M1 Max in an attempt to cost effectively upgrade / side grade to a new MBP (maybe a cut down M2 Max) at minimal cost (works because I tend to buy in the US where prices are lower, and sell in Japan where both prices and resale values are higher)

But... this is probably for the best. The Yen is really weak right now (so its riskier than usual), I have no need to upgrade this year and I'm far more interested in what 2023 should hopefully bring (3nm, A16+ derived cores, maybe RT on the GPU, some design, feature or IO changes, etc)

On the bright side. This is what we should want as Mac users. ANNUAL incremental upgrades (that Apple is comfortable pushing out in a lower key manner) punctuated by more major upgrades every 24-36 months.
What we don't want to see is the extended upgrade cycle we saw on Intel Macs where Apple would often go 18-24 months (or even longer) without updating a machine.
 
newyorksole said:
I really want to upgrade my 2018 12.9” iPad Pro. the M1 out now is plenty, but was hoping to hold out for a decent hardware redesign.

we’ll see.
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In the same boat. Wondering if 16gb ram on the 1tb version is worth it. Thinking of just getting a 2021 version
 
drew0020 said:
I don’t understand a spec bump. There are no new formats and it may make it 0.5 second faster? I’m not sure what that would accomplish except keeping the price too high.

I think the biggest issue of Apple TV is the price of the unit itself. It’s too expensive so I agree that cheaper version (dongle) would help growth.
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I agree. The AppleTV 4k is expensive, but having come to it from an Amazon TV 4k stick, it is much better in just about every way. I'd have to see if it were worth it to upgrade, though. My TV is only 1080p, so even the AppleTV 4k is too much for me.
 
If there's nothing too exciting to talk about (i.e. new and different) there's really no need for an event. They've already announced everything that is happening from a software perspective. They could spread M2 Pro and M2 Max throughout the entire product line and there still wouldn't be much to actually talk about. Even a new 27" iMac wouldn't be all that notable if it carries the same basic design as the 24".
 
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