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I don’t buy this, especially since the M2 Pro and M2 Max chips will be completely new. However, I agree with Mark that it would be weird to have an event full of products whose only difference is a spec bump.

That is why I believe Apple will preview the Mac Pro at this event, even if it’s not ready for launch until 2023. It will mean they could meet their Intel transition deadline of “about two years” from 2020, and would make the teasing of the Mac Pro earlier this year make sense.
I think now that Granny Smith™ is almost fully transitioned to Apple Silicon, subsequent chip iterations may become less newsworthy. It’s one of the reasons that the chip inside every new iPhone release is an afterthought.

Whether the “Intel transition” is brought to a close now, or sometime next spring, they still meet their “deadline” of “about two years.” Heavy use of quotes for illustrative purposes. In other words, they haven’t made any promises, and saying “We’ll talk about the Mac Pro another day” is hardly a tease. It’s simply management of expectations.
 
What about the Mac Pro though? We are already past the self-imposed “2 year transition” to Apple Silicon and still no Mac Pro. I wonder if they’re waiting on 3nm silicon.

Keep in mind who we’re really talking about when we say “Pro.” It’s not Youtubers who capture and cut all their own content with what most people would consider high-end cameras ($5000K mirroless still/video cams). We’re talking about people who are sitting in front of the computer all day, using it for 6-8 hours of high-bandwidth, high computational-load use cases. That’s scientists crunching on data sets measured in terabytes, photographers (or scientists) working on single images measured in 100s of gigabytes, and VFX experts who are creating CGI or complex composites of the most dense of digital film formats.

Max-spec’d M1 Macbook Pros hardly serve these people. The Mac Studio is somewhat of a stop-gap, but still won’t serve all of these pros either. These pros don’t care about performance per watt. They only care about getting **** done fast.

Unless Apple is conceding these pros will forever be out of reach of their current technology development trajectory, I would expect Apple not to take this lightly. Not to mention, Apple is under a lot of pressure to continue exceeding expectations like they did with Apple Silicon in the first place. They are going to be both aggressive in their goals to meet “pro” needs, and cautious in releasing a new high-priced Pro solution that doesn’t.

While the current generation of Apple Silicon CPU performance per core smokes Intel, it is not that far ahead of the curve on either core count or GPU performance. And this is where software for “pros” is getting all of its power today. And, this is where both the 2019 Mac Pro and Apple Silicon have stiff competition from commodity workstation hardware on the other side of the platform divide (read: PCs using Intel / AMD).

I think the big limiters for Apple with SoCs are going to be scaling for RAM and GPU compute. Commodity hardware has it beat in both (again, ignoring power consumption). And just smashing two Ultras together as is rumored for the “extreme,” and then calling it good for the next four to six years won’t make the grade.

My completely far-fetched un-knowing industry-outsider conjecture (all for funsies) for the next-gen Mac Pro:
  • It gets its very own SoC
    • or at least one that doesn’t become available in lesser offerings for at least a year or more
  • It is clocked significantly higher than M1, M2, or Mac Studio implementations,
  • That the entry level doubles the CPU and GPU core count of the highest-end Mac Studio config
  • The base memory config is 128GB, and is configurable up to 512GB+
  • It’s enclosure is only slightly smaller than the current Mac Pro tower
  • 50% of the enclosure is filled by cooling apparatus
  • Apple begins iterating and releasing Mac Pro spec bumps every year or two in roughly the same cadence as the rest of its product line.
 
subsequent chip iterations may become less newsworthy.
I think they’ll continue to be strangely newsworthy in that people will complain that the slowest shipping system has only 14% faster single threaded performance than the prior generation… and that SLOWEST shipping system will still have a singe threaded performance that’s in the top 20 of ALL processors being produced at that future time.
 
I think they’ll continue to be strangely newsworthy in that people will complain that the slowest shipping system has only 14% faster single threaded performance than the prior generation… and that SLOWEST shipping system will still have a singe threaded performance that’s in the top 20 of ALL processors being produced at that future time.

You may be right. But newsworthiness is a scalar dimension. From the top:
  1. Global events of lifelong impact regardless of subject matter
  2. Temporal discoveries that influences industry or immediate behavior (e.g. politics, technology)
  3. Ordinary events that many people expect but just don't know when to expect them
  4. S#|t people say online in forums that sane people ignore.
I’d give a new processor in the same old hunk of metal as the last time I saw it a 3. Barely.
 
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You may be right. But newsworthiness is a scalar dimension. From the top:
  1. Global events of lifelong impact regardless of subject matter
  2. Temporal discovery that influences industry or immediate behavior (e.g. politics, technology)
  3. Ordinary events that many people expected but just not when to expect them
  4. S#|t people say online in forums that sane people ignore.
I’d give a new processor in the same old hunk of metal as the last time I saw it a 3. Barely.
Newsworthiness is “whatever websites give a headline to”. And, my expectation is that as ANY story about Apple will continue to draw eyes and clicks, whatever Apple Silicon gets released in the future will still get the same play on the same websites.
 
Newsworthiness is “whatever websites give a headline to”. And, my expectation is that as ANY story about Apple will continue to draw eyes and clicks, whatever Apple Silicon gets released in the future will still get the same play on the same websites.

If you're talking Max Tech, yes. I think they gave a headline generator to a 3-year old and send whatever comes out of it to press.
 
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What happened to all the rumors of the glass back, wireless charging, magsafe etc for the iPad? Surely they will at least, finally move the FaceTime camera to landscape??
 
no problemo.

just let me know when i can buy an M2 Mac Mini. don't need a fancy over the top produced and edited video with "we think you'll love it 🙏" every 2 seconds.
Good thing they produce those videos for more than an audience of one, then! 😉
 
No way. Mini is the bottom of the desktop line, and we now have (superb) Studios available.

Shouldn't have to pay 2.5k for 4 monitors support.
I can get a NUC for less than half that that supports 4 or build a full size PC for half that and get much more utility.

This has been an issue for a long time with Apple.
We didn't even have the option to get gouged for it until the studio came along, it just wasn't even an option.
Bring it to a mini pro asap.
 
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Not excited enough to say Good Morning
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So do you guys think we will or won't see a new 16" MBP this October? I need a new laptop to replace my aged Mac Pro.

But the new MBP'S no doubt will be more here in the UK than when the M1 MBP was released due to the UK governments incompetence and stupidity. So I'm thinking whether to pick up a good offer on a M1 or hold tight. Decisions decisions!
 
So do you guys think we will or won't see a new 16" MBP this October? I need a new laptop to replace my aged Mac Pro.

But the new MBP'S no doubt will be more here in the UK than when the M1 MBP was released due to the UK governments incompetence and stupidity. So I'm thinking whether to pick up a good offer on a M1 or hold tight. Decisions decisions!
Im hopeful, but I'm in the same boat as you with the same dilemma. Do I look for a deal now on an M1 Max or risk waiting for M2 Max with the potentially higher price?
I'll still hold out though...
 
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Im hopeful, but I'm in the same boat as you with the same dilemma. Do I look for a deal now on an M1 Max or risk waiting for M2 Max with the potentially higher price?
I'll still hold out though...
Are UK based too?

I've seen a couple of good deals for the 16" 16gb 1tb and am getting itchy trigger fingers! 😁
 
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