Gurman: No Hardware at WWDC, Next Apple TV No Longer Coming Soon

[turbineseaplane]

Although people are saying av1 would be welcomed… How long until AV1 is widespread supported and used in apps and streaming.. All the current chrome casts and cable provider boxes won’t have support for it (the ones with apps you can download). It’s going to take years before av1 is needed and supported

It'd be nice to have it sooner rather than later because:

1. Apple charges an arm and a leg for their streaming box
2. They don't update it all that often, so being ahead of the Codec game would be welcome
3. The sooner they release a box that supports AV1 natively, the sooner we get more adoption from providers

#3 is sort of a chicken and the egg thing ... let's get going with one of them so we can get the other

 

[Victor Mortimer]

OK, well even if that is the correct interpretation, the same advice applies. Matching remotes even if the AppleTV hardware of one is older than the other, remove. the discrepancy, any muscle memory quickly subsides, and also means that both remotes now have a dedicated mute button.

Wait, how does it mean both have a mute button?

Oh, you're suggesting going with the new remote on both. Nope, no way, I absolutely hate it, the older remote is MUCH nicer.

 

[Spidder]

See the post above yours

AV1 would be very welcome

This and 6 Ghz WiFi. Not necessary atm, but that will change within the next 2-3 yrs. And thats when Apple will release a new AppleTV.

 

[brownpaw]

Put an M in, add mouse support (KB is already there), add some storage tiers and make it a cheap way to have an Apple internet terminal computing device as a hook to get folks into their subscription services and use with their iPhone and iPads … could be a superb “light Mac + entertainment hub”

I think it’ll never happen but I agree with you, it would be a sweet Mac Mini Jr. Give it the ability to run iPad apps and you could have a nice little mini-workstation by day and entertainment device by night.

 

[Victor Mortimer]

And the AI stuff will probably be released slowly. Some things announced this summer may not come until December, or January or May or whenever. To me, even if everything is released today, it's already more than a year too late.

To me, even if the AI crap is released a decade from now, it would be a couple decades too soon.

 

[deconstruct60]

Apple uses him to make people buy M3 macs on the latest sales instead of waiting ten more days. Just like when they released M3 ”out of nowhere”.

"Out of nowhere" ???? The iMac was staler than 4 month old , undried fish. (Spring 2021 ... Fall 2023 that is a long gap). It was the 25th anniversary of the introduction of the iMac ... Apple was going to do absolutely nothing that year? If Gurman wasn't so distracted with trying to resurrect the large screen iMac , the 24" iMac refreshing with a modern SoC was pretty clear.

July 2022.
" ...
Gurman expects an updated 24-inch ‌iMac‌ to be among the first M3 series of Macs, which will include an updated 13-inch MacBook Air, an all-new 15-inch ‌MacBook Air‌, and potentially a new 12-inch notebook that is "still in early development."

.... "

Gurman: Apple Still Working on 'Pro' iMac With Larger Screen

Apple is still working on an iMac with a larger display and a more powerful chip aimed at the professional market, according to Bloomberg's Mark...

www.macrumors.com

The MBA 13/15 stuff was wrong ( in part probably because the 15" appeared so late and detached from the 13"), but the iMac 24" skipping M2 was something he kept repeating over and over. When the iMac 24" kept sliding through 2023 ... it appearing with a plain M3 SoC became more and more likely. Something in 2023 was coming with an M3. TSMC's N3B had gone volume production in Q4 2022... that no M3 chips would make it out the door in 2023 was beyond highly dubious.


The MBP 13 with touch bar ... that chassis had drifted how long even before the M-series transition??? There were a whole chorus of folks lamenting why Apple was still selling a touch bar model. So 'surprise' the more affordable MBP got an update? Not really.

The MBP 14/16" was a slightly surprising but in May 2023 Gurman leaked this

Gurman: Apple Testing 'M3 Pro' Chip for MacBook Pro With 12-Core CPU and 18-Core GPU

Apple is testing an unreleased chip with a 12-core CPU, 18-core GPU, and 36GB of memory, according to an App Store developer log obtained by...

www.macrumors.com

So "out of nowhere" that a M3 Pro chip shows up in October. Really? Somewhat surprising that the MBP 14/16 M2 Pros fell off so quickly. But two issues. First, the M2 introduction may have originally been intended for Fall 2022 (instead of Q1 2023). Second, the older schedules for the Snapdragon X Elite (Oryon / Nuvia) were for Fall 2022 (before slide for Windows 11 update in 2024 and optimizations kicked in. ). If Apple had arranged the logistics chain to deliver parts for MPB 14/16" in Fall 2023, there really wasn't a good reason to make that slide.

[ The other issue was the Intel flaked on consuming N3B supply. So TSMC needed some other dies to soak up excess wafers. Bigger N3B dies sooner would help fill that 'hole' in demand during 2023. That swings the other way in 2024 with Intel trying to do 'catch up' in wafer consumption. ]

M4 macs are coming.

But sooner out of some sibling rivalry thing with the iPad Pro does not have any rational basis for Apple.
Apple needs to recoup investments they put into the M3 generation SoCs. Dumping them sooner just because the iPad Pro refreshed doesn't make any financial sense.

 

[npmacuser5]

As I keep saying and feeling, software needs work, hardware does not

Exactly!

 

[easy4lif]

Apple needs to allow full access to the storage of the Apple TV. I mean the ability to store music, tv, or games in their entirety. I have the 128gb model and only use about 10gb. Apps like delta (emulator) can’t be used on the Apple TV soley because of this exact limitation.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I think it’ll never happen but I agree with you, it would be a sweet Mac Mini Jr. Give it the ability to run iPad apps and you could have a nice little mini-workstation by day and entertainment device by night.

Right?

Be a sweet little gateway device to get people into the ecosystem on the, relatively, cheap (and ready to subscribe to "services"!)

If it was a bit more powerful and was a gaming device, streaming content device and an internet terminal ... wow .. Could be incredible

Gaming Console
Streaming Media Player
Breakthrough Internet Access Device


"Gaming, Streaming, Desktop Class Internet.... Are you getting it?"

(that's a reference modified for the present, for anyone not around back when the iPhone launched)

 

[Eracles]

It would be very strange not to start selling soon at least a Mac Mini with M4 chip

 

[Tdude96]

It seems he has all his bases covered.

He tends to do that. At this point the prediction for M4 is basically, "everything in the M4 lineup will be released sometime before December 31, 2025." Uncanny accuracy!

I don't buy this. It means that the M4, which was a surprisingly big leap I thought, is going to sit exclusively in an iPad for.... how many months? There's no reason for that.

If there's no hardware I suppose the logical time for nearly the entire Mac line-up getting M4 / Pro / Max / Ultra / Megabastard would be September to take advantage of all these AI features when the software drops. But that also just doesn't sit right.

Right, M4 iPads came as a surprise to me, so quickly on the heels of M3 laptops. Had they released M3 iPads I'd be inclined to agree with Gurman that we're not likely to see new Studios or Pros (with high-end M4 chips) until at least WWDC 2025, if not later, since M3 Max lacks interconnects and Apple making a monolithic Ultra seems unlikely right now. But since they did release the M4 iPads, that changes things.

The high-end desktops are running on 2 generation old M2 technology originally released in 2022, and the latest MacBook Pro M3 Max can meet or exceed the performance of an M2 Ultra in some respects. It makes zero sense for Apple to wait around and then release their high end machines on aged M4 technology toward the end of 2025 when all hype will be on the upcoming M5. It leaves their allegedly most powerful machines perpetually lagging a year or more behind in technology and eclipsed by laptops. It would also be a complete backtrack and in opposition of everything Apple's been doing with their M-series chips, which have shown nothing but an acceleration in release dates so far.

If Gurman is actually correct about no M4 announcements at WWDC 2024, my guess is we'll probably see M4 Studios and possibly Pros this summer, July or maybe August. Any later than that gets too close to the iPhone/Apple Watch release and would push them to an autumn release, which would steal thunder from MacBooks. The ideal time to do the desktops is "ASAP" (WWDC/summer release).

 

[coolfactor]

Sounds like this going to be an uneventful WWDC filled with AI features I immediately turn off.

I mean, if you like this sort of thing, it will be a lot better for you.

When you type, and a helpful word suggestion is offered up, that's machine learning.

When you pull down on the iPhone screen, and it offers geo-specific app suggestions, that's machine learning.

When your phone or computer begins to recognize your usage patterns and optimizes charging based on that, that's machine learning.

When you take a photo and it's processed to produce exceptional "wow" effect, that's machine learning.

AI at its core can be very useful. This new "generative AI" is a whole new class, but don't let the smarts we've been enjoying for decades be lumped into that. That's AI discrimination. 🫢

 

[JeffPerrin]

Not surprised. Only two reasons I can think of for a new ATV release:

1. Cheaper model (competitive pricing). All other streamers fall below what most Apple users find as acceptable performance (UI), so maybe Apple doesn't feel a cheaper-priced model is necessary.

2. Gaming Edition Apple TV. Nope. Not anytime soon. There is little indication Apple intends to take on console gaming. Current App Store pricing means AAA titles will stay on PC, PS, or Xbox platforms.

It appears future Apple TV features will come via tvOS updates. Fortunately, the 4K models run tvOS spectacularly. 👍

 

[pksv]

Something that enables MacOS and iOS to run the software that are exclusive to PCs. Can AI help with fast ports?

So you want Mac to become a PC emulator? How is that exciting or in any shape or form revolutionary?

but...

I have news for you - you can do it RIGHT NOW through Windows on Parrales with Prim translation layer (Rosetta equivalent).

 

[coolfactor]

IMO, WWDC should be just about software. As fun as it is for Apple to announce hardware, it feels weird to me when they do it at this software event.

Plus, I never expected the Apple TV to be refreshed at this time. That rumor didn’t make sense to me, since I’d anticipate an A18 or A19 chip in the next Apple TV, depending on when it is released.

Disagree. WWDC is a perfect venue to announce Pro hardware, as that sets the stage for the powerful hardware that can be exploited by developers.

I expected Apple to have established a bit more consistency with their hardware rollouts by now, but Mac hardware seems to be all over the map. Only the iPhone releases are operating on a completely predictable schedule.

I think the competition catching up has thrown Apple for a loop. The bar has been raised for what is expected, and that has thrown uncertainty into the Mac release schedule.

I wish Apple would move to Modular Macs. Don't upgrade by replacing your Mac. Instead, add another "module" to boost your current Mac's capabilities. For laptops, swap out a processor module for the next generation, or snap on the next-gen screen.

A complete rethinking, but we'll never see that.

 

[pksv]

... AI crap ...

"cars bad, horses good" all over again

 

[jwolf6589]

Bummer
There goes my outside hope for the iPad Mini 7, some M4 MacBooks or an updated Apple TV

Sounds like a entire presentation about "AI stuff coming later this year"
👎

Major "meh" for me

So many product lines are just in really weird spots of "not much has happened in a long time"
Apple seems to have really screwed the pooch with Car & VR headset distractions and now trying to throw an AI hail mary

I don’t want to upgrade any of my devices and may pause these updates. No question AI will slow down everything and it takes away the ability to think. Nah….

 

[DEMinSoCAL]

To be honest, new Apple TV is not needed. The chipset in current is overkill.

So is the M4 in the new iPad Pro but hey, when you can't deliver anything else new, throw a better chip in it and call it a new generation!

Surely Apple has a warehouse full of M1 or M2 chips that didn't meet the specs -- use those in Apple TV's because, well, you can!

 

[DEMinSoCAL]

"cars bad, horses good" all over again

Cars are bad in some ways, but the fact it gets you from point A to point B 100x faster than a horse is the main point.
AI creates more problems than it solves.

 

[triptolemus]

AI will slow down everything and it takes away the ability to think.

I'm not on the AI bandwagon to be sure, but does AI really take away your ability to think?

 

[Macmamamac]

New Apple TV with space for Dolby Atoms full res downloads is needed asap. Really poor you can't download films directly to the box.

 

[Tdude96]

I'm not on the AI bandwagon to be sure, but does AI really take away your ability to think?

I suppose there are folks who've never learned critical thinking and might just accept any answer generative AI gives them, not verifying it for accuracy and not considering whether it is manipulated content by bias censors or safety curation. That could be considered taking away the ability to think. But we already have that particular societal problem with all manner of things other than generative AI. Another might be where it's used as a shortcut for writing "news" articles or academic papers rather than reporters, students, or researchers writing original content themselves.

I see mainstream generative AI as it is right now being useful for general questions or improving "smart" functionality. And eventually in medical and scientific fields where it can be used to great effect in a variety of ways. What we saw with Microsoft certainly emphasizes the power it has to to be dystopian in the wrong hands, but fearing the technology instead of learning about it does very little good. In my opinion generative AI has the potential to become really powerful to individual users by having the ability to do additional training on it with your own data, and with live data that it can crunch through and give preliminary results on far faster than a human. Of course it should still be reviewed and verified by a human, since the technology tends to have flaws in its output, but it can be a useful tool.

 

[CBlakeston]

Bummer!

I was waiting new ATV because i don't have the newest one which have hdr 10+. I just bought Samsung OLED TV and i want to get best quality out from it. Is it worth to upgrade the earlier ATV with the newest model just to get the hdr 10+?

I know my TV have hdr 10+ out of the box, but i want to use ATV apps instead.

There are only a handful of 10+ movies. I wouldn’t worry about it.

 

[johannnn]

lol at everyone complaining about the lack of new hardware at a DEVELOPER conference.

come back in September and October, that’s when you get the new hardware

 

[DeepWebinar]

it’s because we’ve been bad :/