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Gurman: No Hardware at WWDC, Next Apple TV No Longer Coming Soon

HobeSoundDarryl said:
Let's hope that Apple A.I. can be asked to track down all xOS bugs and fix them... a Snow Leopard A.I. ;)

I'm right with you and would welcome a year or TWO if necessary of nothing but bug fixes/refinement vs. new features. I miss "just works" Apple. And "not just works" Apple that continues nickel & diming... and hundred-ing & thousand-ing their base at every opportunity is a poor combination that is souring my view of them... so much so that I now also have a PC on my desk and am not too far from opting for a PC laptop for the first time in my life.

I miss "just works" and I miss the U in USB meaning what it is supposed to mean just for starters.
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Snow Leopard AI😂😂😂 such a blessed time in macOS history. never forget how truly satisfied everyone was with that release.

ugh…not gonna act like I don’t get you when my brother has the most maxed-out custom gamer PC that money can buy (doesn’t help that playing GTAV on there absolutely destroyed my ability to enjoy it on console LOL). and I just recently bought a $10 adapter from Anker so I can have USB-A ports again…after buying the most basic gear for music production (isn’t Apple’s whole brand being the platform for creatives??). def feels like Apple jumped the gun on USB-C more than a bit and the least they could do is include ONE dongle in the box. 🙄 (maybe I sound like a 2011 commenter complaining about no CD drives but uhh…USB-A has been much slower to go obsolete than CDs unless my perception of time really is that bad)

it’s not even like their stock is popping off the way it was just a year or two ago. SPEAKING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, shareholders should be dissatisfied with the current state of Apple’s software. alas—they make iPhones, and for that reason alone, people will never stop investing in them (myself included, as someone who just wants to have a decent retirement…)
 
Fofer said:
That’s a difference with the newer aluminum remote over the previous black glass one, not the AppleTV device itself.

You can use the newer aluminum remote on the older AppleTVs to gain the use of a mute button.
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I didn’t know that. Thank you.
 
MacRumors said:
"There's no hardware slated to be announced at WWDC, unless Apple unexpectedly previews a new device launching later (to be clear: I don't expect that)," said Gurman, in his Power On newsletter today.

Notably, Gurman now says a new Apple TV model "isn't imminent," despite previously reporting that Apple was aiming to release a new Apple TV in the first half of 2024. The current Apple TV was introduced in October 2022.
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The first sentence is pretty much a get out clause he’s given himself which to me indicates he doesn’t know, just guessing like I could.
But he’s probably correct with the second sentence.

But he’s talking total BS with the ‘claim’ the Mac Studio and Pro will not see the M4 till end of 2025, utter rubbish.
 
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cardfan said:
Wouldn’t have any reason to. They all do the same thing.
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They don't, there are differences between the models, obviously, but if the differences don't matter to you then yes, all the more reason not to upgrade, absolutely.
 
WOW!!! Forget waiting for a M4 Max Mac Studio I am building a 14900k Hackintosh

This Sucks

The Recession OR the Depression is coming Big Mistake to push new Hardware to Next year No One will have Cash to Spend on expensive Macs
 
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I can’t imagine what a new appletv would bring. There is no need for an upgrade anytime soon. If anything
turbineseaplane said:
Put an M in, add mouse support (KB is already there), add some storage tiers and make it a cheap way to have an Apple internet terminal computing device as a hook to get folks into their subscription services and use with their iPhone and iPads … could be a superb “light Mac + entertainment hub”
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why not just buy a Mac mini at that point.
 
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Since the car project failed, Vision Pro is expensive and pointless, the current Apple TV is overkill, and they are run out of ideas for new products, they should revive that old Apple TV display concept.
 
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turbineseaplane said:
It'd be nice to have it sooner rather than later because:

1. Apple charges an arm and a leg for their streaming box
2. They don't update it all that often, so being ahead of the Codec game would be welcome
3. The sooner they release a box that supports AV1 natively, the sooner we get more adoption from providers

#3 is sort of a chicken and the egg thing ... let's get going with one of them so we can get the other
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The most expensive appletv is $150. It’s more expensive then a lot of the competitors but not ridiculous over expensive for something that gets used daily
 
easy4lif said:
Apple needs to allow full access to the storage of the Apple TV. I mean the ability to store music, tv, or games in their entirety. I have the 128gb model and only use about 10gb. Apps like delta (emulator) can’t be used on the Apple TV soley because of this exact limitation.
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Outside of gaming there is no need to store media locally on a device like the Apple TV. It’s a streaming device
 
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I am very interested to see what Apple is going to bring us when they solely concentrate on softwares.

I truely hope that this WWDC will be a big changer especially for iPad Pro.
 
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Rychiar said:
Good, no one needs yearly updates on this stupid thing. I have the last 3 models in various tvs and can’t tell the difference
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I have one each from the last 2 generations (1 model released in 2022 and 2021) and intend to upgrade them in lockstep. The main difference came from playing select games from Apple Arcade, but otherwise, not much improvement was observed.

Still, I will probably get one for the following arrangement:

2022 Apple TV - currently in bedroom, to be upgraded, will replace the one in living room
2021 Apple TV - currently in living room, to be replaced with the 2022 Apple TV when if I upgrade

So every time Apple releases a new ATV, I will get one for the aforementioned upgrade cycle. It's cheap enough that it won't break the bank in any meaningful fashion. :)
 
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Remy149 said:
Outside of gaming there is no need to store media locally on a device like the Apple TV. It’s a streaming device
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The tvOS streaming apps seem like they can cache so much to storage until they max out. No images, or media collection present. Normally the so many downloaded stream savers don't seem to amount to much storage usage. :)
 
I am relly hoping for new AI-related tools. I've been moving away from the usual Intel/Linux/Nvidia setup and trying to use Apple Silicon. So far it is looking good.

Many people dislike AI because they have seen inept writing from gpt. My interest in AI is movement and gasping objects with robot grippers. I have never heard anyone say "I dread the day when a machine can clean my bathroom, I enjoy doing it myself so much."

I want to ask the AI, "IS the UPS package on the Porch?" the the AI looks using by doorbell camera and tells be there is a padded envelope there.

I know that consumer-facing announcements are always what makes the news but WWDC is supposed to be for DEVELOPERS, not consumers. I'd prefer Apple not waste the limited time with anouncements of new wrist band colors and the like.

What I want to hear are easy way to get model weight into their neural engine and GPU
 
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Why are all custom Mac configs not shipping until the day the of the keynote or later? My theory: Standard configs are easily swappable at a store if speed bumps come out within the return period. Custom configs have to be returned online and reordered. My Mac Studio order has been sitting idle since May 22nd. Expected arrival date is now June 11th. 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
turbineseaplane said:
Bummer
There goes my outside hope for the iPad Mini 7, some M4 MacBooks or an updated Apple TV

Sounds like a entire presentation about "AI stuff coming later this year"
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Major "meh" for me

So many product lines are just in really weird spots of "not much has happened in a long time"
Apple seems to have really screwed the pooch with Car & VR headset distractions and now trying to throw an AI hail mary
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Yeah, Big nummer that they don’t announce products in a Developer event, that primarily is about software
 
turbineseaplane said:
Bummer
There goes my outside hope for the iPad Mini 7, some M4 MacBooks or an updated Apple TV

Sounds like a entire presentation about "AI stuff coming later this year"
👎

Major "meh" for me

So many product lines are just in really weird spots of "not much has happened in a long time"
Apple seems to have really screwed the pooch with Car & VR headset distractions and now trying to throw an AI hail mary
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I hope Apple doesn’t put too many of their eggs in this AI basket they’re whipping up. They wasted enough on the car project.
 
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dampfnudel said:
Wouldn’t that necessitate a fan or something. The addition of an AV1 hardware decoder and improved thermal management wouldn’t allow Apple to lower the price. They might have to raise it.
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having the decoder on-die reduces cpu usage - so thermals are better. but right now all the m and a-series chips that have it are too expensive for Apple TV. the real question is when would that change. or even would Apple use a chip we haven’t seen yet that is specifically designed for an Apple TV-specific workload.
another caveat would be players need to take advantage of it. Infuse does - Plex does not.
 
I have two 4k Apple TV's with the most recent being purchased about a month ago. No regrets. What will make you upgrade Apple TV's-- Having older Apple TV's without 4k. The app support, while passable for some basics, has really got to the point where they are decent audio streamers but not much else. Netflix on the older Apple TV's is stuck
 
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