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That makes very little sense for a couple of reasons:
- Apple wants to get rid of the M3 series as fast as possible
- Apple does not introduce older chip series when new is already on the market
- Apple almost never makes price cuts without introducing a newer model
I was scrolling through the replies to see if someone else said this. I saw a couple posts predicting an M3 Mini release and it simply makes no sense. Who's going to buy an M3 based desktop now that the M4 chip has been released in an iPad? Apple has shown that the M3 is not the future.

I'm in the market for a Mini, had been waiting for a (hoped for) M3 Pro Mini (because the M2 Pro Mini is a powerful bargain), but as soon as the M4 chip was released in a device I knew there would never be a M3-based Mini. Why would I (and other consumers) buy a desktop machine and pay extra for more RAM and storage, knowing the CPU at the center of it all has already been bested by a chip that's being sold in a tablet today?

Same must apply to Studio and Pro users, who want even more powerful/capable machines than I do. I can only assume that those users aren't thrilled by the idea of buying an M3-based machine with the M4 in production.
 
Did someone tell you the secret? You DON'T have to buy the new model if the current one is fine.
Lol!

Also, if the current one is not fine then you WANT to update as quickly as possible.
You are clearly in the group that doesn't need it so why ruining it for others who actually need the power or features?


As an M2 Mac Studio owner i hope this is true, i spent £2333 on my mac studio last year after WWDC , and i hope that they do the M4 Next year so i can upgrade in 2 years from my original purchase. because one year on a machine like this is ridiculous. it is still ridiculously powerful. and RT Cores honestly makes no difference on m3 or m4 for me.
 
While not great news, the Mac doesn’t just need new chips, there are other technologies the Mac can benefit from such as WiFi 7, Thunderbolt 5, OLED, Face ID and cellular (laptops). The Studio Display needs 120hz (likely won’t happen until Thunderbolt 5) and either mini-LED or OLED.

The M4 series of chips is will come to Mac Studio and Mac Pro once the rollout is complete. It is foolish that the base Mac Studio does not have the M3 Max in it since that chip does in fact exist.
None of those matter to me. Faster does though.
 
Well the fact that they put the M4 in the new iPads probably means they've internally killed the M3 series altogether. And plan to skip to M4.

It will take time to get the M4 Max and Ultra ready hence late this year and early to mid next
 
Something tells me Gurman is wrong.. not sure what it is, perhaps it’s the idea a 3000 iPad will have a more advance newer chip then a 2000 desktop computer for a full year? Let alone the ENTIRE range of other Apple products….
Don‘t believe a word of this one, sorry.
 
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I agree with you. I’m in the same boat. I’d like to get a Mac Studio this year to replace my iMac Pro but won’t be getting one if they stay on M2 based processors.




You’re assuming that everyone who wants a Mac Studio has already bought one. That’s not the case. I have a 2017 iMac Pro (purchased early 2018) so I’m in the market for an upgrade this year, and the Mac Studio is my ideal machine. If they’re not going to update it until 2025 I’ll have little choice but to stick with the iMac Pro until then.


Sadly, this reminds me of the bad old days when Apple gave little love to their professional desktop Mac users, the people who ultimately give them the most money as individuals.
You can get amazing deals on a M1 Max Studio today, and sell it for probably $200-300 less than you paid, when you upgrade in 2025.
 
While not great news, the Mac doesn’t just need new chips, there are other technologies the Mac can benefit from such as WiFi 7, Thunderbolt 5, OLED, Face ID and cellular (laptops). The Studio Display needs 120hz (likely won’t happen until Thunderbolt 5) and either mini-LED or OLED.

The M4 series of chips is will come to Mac Studio and Mac Pro once the rollout is complete. It is foolish that the base Mac Studio does not have the M3 Max in it since that chip does in fact exist.
I am holding out to upgrade my M1 Ultra Studio for studio/pro with hardware raytracing. The M2 isn't enough for me to upgrade. I would have considered the M3, and will take an M4.
 
All other Macs with the exception of the MacBook Air should be available with M4-series chips by the end of 2024, but Gurman does not anticipate any new models being unveiled at WWDC in June, making 2022 and 2023 exceptions for recent mid-year Mac releases.
Reading the newsletter today, I call BS on the article. Apple will likely update the Mac Pro and Mac Studio this year. It would be a dumb decision not to update it this year with super powerful M4 lineup chip, considering M2 Max and M2 Ultra is already very dated.

It’s whether during the WWDC or alongside the MacBook Pros this fall.
 
Here’s how we know this is wrong: it predicts another Mac Pro.

Can‘t possibly be true. No one purchased a $7,000 aluminum box with wheels because of PCIE slots, yet no dedicated GPU.

I believe there were like 3 people that did, but they're too busy using their gpu-less Mac Pros to post here :)
 
I do hope Dell and Samsung and Windows on ARM is a success though both because it will keep Apple on its toes and also because it makes running virtualized Windows on ARM software a much more viable option.
Everyone, including Qualcomm, sat back and allowed Apple to jump several years ahead. There’s nothing they’re doing now that will be able to keep Apple on its toes. Qualcomm may be able to keep Intel on their toes, but that’s only if Qualcomm doesn’t run into the same problem AMD has, which is having a processor folks actually want, but unable to produce enough to meet the demand, thus leaving Intel with more market share than they SHOULD have.
 
Macs have had Blu-ray playback support for like a decade or something.
I don’t think Mac ever had internal blu-ray support. Heck the Apple external super drive (that is still available) doesn’t support blu-ray. Although there are a several 3rd party external blu-ray drives that work just fine with a Mac.

 
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Not yearly, chiply. The thinking is the top of the line machine should always have the top of the line CPU. Instead Apple put the M4 into a tablet best used to watch videos, read e-books, and check on email. I admit to being puzzled by this decision as well.

Apple has largely explained this. The disconnect here is that most of "iPad gets the M4 is horrible" first folks tend to have a hyper single threaded drag racing performance bias. The M2 Ultra although a bigger , more powerful chip can't drive the new screens that the iPad Pro got. The M3 couldn't do it either (which in part is why it got 'skipped' for the iPad Pro). The updates to the display controllers were just as much as critical factor in the iPad Pro . CPU cores were not the major driving factor.

The M4 isn't going to beat the M2 Max on any multithreaded , RAM capacity , or a very wide variety of graphics tasks. The M2 Ultra has 'slower' NPU but also twice as many, so again any 'wide' , 'embarrassingly parallel' NPU task it is still likely to win a wide variety of situations.

So single through approximiately six CPU core 'drag racing' a Mini with M4/M4 Pro would work and be way more cost effective for vast block of users.


Roughly similar issue why some folks will hold onto their MP2019 with mulitple GPUs and stick the single GPU Mn SoC solution for probably a few more years. Similarly the hyper modular GPU user base won't really care if there M4 Ultra GPU is faster as it is still won't be modular. The RTX 5080 and RX 8800 are going to be far more 'shiny' than anything Apple is going to roll out M4 or M5 generation.

There is a decent chance the Mac Pro will be on a n+2 iteration schedule ( M2 'big' -> M4 'big' -> M6 'big' or M5 'big' -> M7 'big' etc. ) Apple churning 400-800 mm^2 dies every year and then completely dropping the old one does make any economic sense. Nobody does that ( e.g., look at big die GPUs. , big die server chips ,etc. ). There is no 'hand me down' product for the SoC at the top end of the Mac spectrum. Leading edge iPhone SoC spend 3 years in the same product and can branch out into low end iPad's , AppleTV , SE , etc. The 'plain' Mn product can trickle down into the iPad Air ( e.g., won't be surprising if iPad Air gets M4 when iPad Pro moves to either M5/M6 depending upon timing. )

Typically there is a "But Apple killed off the M2 Max in the MBP 14/16 inch quickly" comment ... and likely the 'blowback' on that is a contributing factor why the MP and perhaps Studio spend extra time on the M2 Max die component ( so Apple has time to do return on investment on a smaller unit volume over a longer period of time. ) There is a meme that Apple could just 'dogfood' dump older Max/Ultras into their datacenters to create a 'hand me down' category that is a 'non-product'. After an initial larger x86-64 retirement wave , it seems doubtful they could year dump excess into that limited 'pit' yearly without it overflowing. ( dumping the datacenter SoCs yearly isn't likely going to work ecnomically long term either. ). "Oh but Apple will dump them into the AI/ML hardware deployment growth hype train"... and what happens when the hype train eventually stalls? That isn't a 'plan' , it is a 'prayer'.


The 'big screen iMac' and Mac Pro get replaced last in the the M-series transition and Apple Mac sales didn't crumble. Big systems regularly go last isn't going to crush the Mac ecosystem.
 
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They’d better be packing an M5 chip then or people are going to be pissed.
Apple’s strategy with their SoC just gets more and more weird by the minute.
 
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It seems quite silly to have Pro machines updated so late while the next WWDC will be all about AI and an awaited leap tech wise... And they don't even have M3 variations.
 
Not yearly, chiply. The thinking is the top of the line machine should always have the top of the line CPU. Instead Apple put the M4 into a tablet best used to watch videos, read e-books, and check on email. I admit to being puzzled by this decision as well.
I see it as a paper launch. The probably have to few M4 chips to launch it on devices that sells a lot, but they did want to launch it to steal Qualcomms thunder.

What puzzles me is why they’d want to kill sales of M3 and M2 devices. Only an ignorant fool or someone without any choice will buy them now.
 
They would sell more if they didn’t let them languish. This has been a constant problem with Apple’s pro machines and that (along with software issues like the Final Cut X disaster) has lost them a lot of customers

If they want to gain those customers back, they have to show that they actually care and support those machines. And they aren’t doing that

I don’t see any valid reason not to give them the latest processors and some RAM upgrades every year

In the Intel era the CPUs in the Mac Pro were largely paid for via Intel Server CPU business. That was more than several 100,000's of thousands of servers (often with multiple CPUs inside) per year largely "paying the freight" for those CPU's R&D overhead. Getting a vast group of other users to pay the frieght is gone.

If Apple created and killed a very large SoC every year the price of a Mac Pro would likely go up by thousands of dollars. That will push the Mac Pro into more a pricing death spiral. ( higher prices , fewer buyers, smaller base to amortize R&D costs over ... rinse and repeat. )

Even the larger x86-64 server market cannot afford to completely kill off CPU sku every single year. ( Ampere computing .... still selling they Altra after started shipping the AmpereOne. Didn't happen there either. Amazon doesn't refuse to sell anymore time on Graviton 2 instances the day Graviton 3 instances go full production. etc. etc. )


The only part of the 'workstaiton' market than churns every year is the subset that is based on the desktop processor market. That is an order of magnitude even larger customer base to amortize costs over than the server one that Apple can't match in size.

Apple's primary focus is putting more performance in 'smaller' systems. Workloads that 'had to be done' on a MP in 2012 (sometimes) don't have to be be in 2022. That user base is getting smaller. It isn't just Apple 'leaving' the category. Substantive users are leaving the category also.
 
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Curious to hear how CAD/3D professionals who prefer (or used to prefer) Mac think about this. Does it matter that the RT-accelerated desktop Macs are getting this kind of huge release delay from the laptops?
Apple's main computer has always been te macbook pro, it's normal for Apple to give it priority.
Anyway I'm glad Apple is finally moving a little towards Ray Tracing.
Up until now if you wanted to leverage the technology, you pretty much had to use Windows with a good RTX GPU.
 
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Apple's main computer has always been te macbook pro, it's normal for Apple to give it priority.
Anyway I'm glad Apple is finally moving a little towards Ray Tracing.
Up until now if you wanted to leverage the technology, you pretty much had to use Windows with a good RTX GPU.
To put in context: according to this rumor it will take them a total of 7 years to bring out desktop computers with ray tracing accelerators, counting from when desktop PCs started receiving them.

Does that feel okay? They could release an M3 Max Studio today if they wanted, but seemingly won't even do that.

To me, this reads like not taking care of a portion of creative professionals that they once promised. But I don't work with much 3D myself so maybe I'm reading it wrong.
 
Kinda makes sense.
I expect the M4 coming to the mac mini/imac this Autumn, with the Pro/Max variants ready by early 2025.
I think we'll see the M4 Ultra by May 2025.
Makes absolutely no sense, one of the reasons they dropped intel was the difficulty to update their computers more often. Now they control the chips but refuse to update the computers because they just feel like it?
 
OUCH! So here's the fun path for many creators: 2013 mac pro doesn't get updated till the 2019. Anyone who did pro video added even more expensive GPU cards, but soon after you buy they announce leaving the processor you just finally got while the OS optimization will cater more and more to Apple silicon. People jonesin for a Mac Studio M3 or M4 need to buy an M2 now, or wait another YEAR. Nice. Not one of my higher-end used creator friends goes along with "a pro needs whatever they have to pay now and price lingterm doesn't matter." It always matters. Not buying an M2 Studio uh uh.
That’s cool, for me I run a production company and an Ultra will double export times. Working with an M1 Max studio now and if there’s no M4 Ultra next month then I will get an M2 Ultra. It’s a business expense. Next year I’ll get the M4 ultra then.
 
I was scrolling through the replies to see if someone else said this. I saw a couple posts predicting an M3 Mini release and it simply makes no sense. Who's going to buy an M3 based desktop now that the M4 chip has been released in an iPad? Apple has shown that the M3 is not the future.

I'm in the market for a Mini, had been waiting for a (hoped for) M3 Pro Mini (because the M2 Pro Mini is a powerful bargain), but as soon as the M4 chip was released in a device I knew there would never be a M3-based Mini. Why would I (and other consumers) buy a desktop machine and pay extra for more RAM and storage, knowing the CPU at the center of it all has already been bested by a chip that's being sold in a tablet today?
Along the same vein, I could envision a near term M4 Mini as a replacement for both m2 mini and the M2Pro mini.

The desktop market is too small and some consolidation of the Apple desktop product line makes sense.

The number of mini sales is relatively small so the impact on the existing M4 chip production would be negligible

It is only the M4 chip, so it does not require bringing a larger M4 chip to market sooner.

It provides a greater distinction between the mini and studio desktop product lines

It wouldn’t provide any competition to the remaining M2 studio products

It would get the M4 into the hands of developers with MacOS compatibility.

It will allow closing down of M2Pro chip production.
 
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