True if they keep them on M2 and future updates lacking way behind the laptop stuff.
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Gurman: No New Mac Studio and Mac Pro Until Mid-2025
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You seem to be offering answers to a different debate. There's NOTHING at all in my posts about altering MBs vs. desktop Macs or even their importance therein. If- as I offered- Apple flipped the apparent rhythm of releases, it would be Ultra-PRO/MAX-Base instead of Base-PRO/MAX-Ultra... so those MBpros could still hit at exactly the same time as they do now. Airs and Mini seem to wait anyway, so they could still hit at the usual time too.
There's not even anything except variations of history that says this has to be a 3-step release. Perhaps it could be ULTRA/MAX then PRO/BASE or vice versa... or all 4 tiers together. Any such option wouldn't have to alter market demand or timing in buying of MBs vs. desktops.
BUT, I do see a tangible business problem that I would think Apple Inc. would want to resolve... which "as is" and as rumored today would have the Macs spun as "most powerful Mac" 2-3 generations behind and not even "most powerful" only a few months after their initial release. Flip that schedule and they are both "latest generation" and "most powerful" for the entire cycle... and those moved by those "benefits" in buying Macs might be "pulled up" to pay maximum PROFIT for their next Mac. Waiting for next gen MAX would no longer be a money-saving way to somewhat get around some of that.
My guess: Apple would make more total profit that way than as it has been so far. As an Ultra Mac buyer who quickly saw the "most powerful" Mac somewhat undermined only a few months later by next gen Mac MAX, I would NEVER buy another Ultra Mac again... unless the order flips and thus all that extra money paid would be buying "most powerful" + "latest gen" Mac for longer than those relatively few months.
6K would be the starting price on such a model given the relative rarity of 6K display panels.
I don’t think the AS MacPro is setting the world on fire, but there’s probably a hundred Apple bloggers, TikTokers and YT’ers at least that have purchased one of these things. Maybe if you had said six figures though…
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That makes very little sense for a couple of reasons:
- Apple wants to get rid of the M3 series as fast as possible
- Apple does not introduce older chip series when new is already on the market
- Apple almost never makes price cuts without introducing a newer model
Makes me think Apple must be having issues with 3nm Ultras. Some cooling/heat issue or some such.
Yes it matters. Just in terms of parallel work flows. Between mobile and desk.
As an M2 Mac Studio owner i hope this is true, i spent £2333 on my mac studio last year after WWDC , and i hope that they do the M4 Next year so i can upgrade in 2 years from my original purchase. because one year on a machine like this is ridiculous. it is still ridiculously powerful. and RT Cores honestly makes no difference on m3 or m4 for me.
I don’t know how much worry Apple is currently paying to Windows on ARM. The hardware is finally catching up but the software landscape is not. Apple converting the entire Mac line to ARM means developers have to update and optimize their apps or be left behind, but this has not played out on Windows. A lot of key software will still run under emulation (and Microsoft’s emulation solution isn’t nearly as fast or efficient as Rosetta 2).
I do hope Dell and Samsung and Windows on ARM is a success though both because it will keep Apple on its toes and also because it makes running virtualized Windows on ARM software a much more viable option.
I agree with you. I’m in the same boat. I’d like to get a Mac Studio this year to replace my iMac Pro but won’t be getting one if they stay on M2 based processors.
You’re assuming that everyone who wants a Mac Studio has already bought one. That’s not the case. I have a 2017 iMac Pro (purchased early 2018) so I’m in the market for an upgrade this year, and the Mac Studio is my ideal machine. If they’re not going to update it until 2025 I’ll have little choice but to stick with the iMac Pro until then.
Sadly, this reminds me of the bad old days when Apple gave little love to their professional desktop Mac users, the people who ultimately give them the most money as individuals.
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Can they just update the Magic Keyboard and Trackpad with a USB-C port? This is long overdue
If you look at any Apple product categories you will see a mess, prompted by many "stupid" moves that are not about the user getting the best experience, but rather the shareholder making the most money. Eventually Apple will pay the price of penny pinching.
I haven't actually heard people complaining about this until your post.
Maybe they will change it to USB-C, but I think at that point it could be an overall design change, even if just a minor one.
? It's very common historically for Apple to update the laptops before the desktops. I don't think it's a big deal really. The bigger issue is sometimes they don't update the desktops at all for certain generations. eg. The Mac mini, iMac, Mac Studio, and Mac Pro have all missed Apple Silicon Generations. The iMac missed M2, Mac mini missed M3, and all bets are that Mac Studio and Mac Pro will miss the M3 series too.
I don't think M3 Ultra was part of the plan. Yes, there may be test units in their labs, but M3 Ultra was likely scrapped a long time ago. TSMC's N3B process is lower yield and more costly, so they're going with M4 Series on the cheaper N3E.
Then why upgrade at the the two-year mark at all?
I absolutely do not believe this for a second. With all the AI features coming to all the Apple OS at WWDC in three weeks, the idea that they let the Studios languish M2 processors for another YEAR is just preposterous.
My bet is the exact opposite. I think we’re going to see M4 Max and M4 Ultra Studios at WWDC.
Not only that, by mid-2025, they’ll be at the M5 processor. I can’t think they’ll let the Studio be three generations behind before updating it.
My bet is the exact opposite. I think we’re going to see M4 Max and M4 Ultra Studios at WWDC.
Not only that, by mid-2025, they’ll be at the M5 processor. I can’t think they’ll let the Studio be three generations behind before updating it.
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Can they just update the Magic Keyboard and Trackpad with a USB-C port? This is long overdue
Even if they have to do a design change for the trackpad and keyboard, the Apple Vision Pro doesn't even work with the newer generation of M line Magic keyboards (the ones with touch ID). You have to use the older $99 Intel silicon Mac keyboard. This is a very weird situation as Apple's M series chip keyboards don't work with AVP so if you do have Apple's older keyboard with lightning.
It's a problem beyond just upgrading lightning to USB-C. Why Apple hasn't fixed it sooner, I don't know.
I was hoping the new keyboard on the M4 iPad Pro might work with the AVP. AVP people are stuck with 2016-2020 intel based Mac magic keyboards...they've lost their magic. Hoping they figure out the keyboard problem with software at WWDC.
Can they just update the Magic Keyboard and Trackpad with a USB-C port? This is long overdue
Even if they have to do a design change for the trackpad and keyboard, the Apple Vision Pro doesn't even work with the newer generation of M line Magic keyboards (the ones with touch ID). You have to use the older $99 Intel silicon Mac keyboard. This is a very weird situation as Apple's M series chip keyboards don't work with AVP so if you do have Apple's older keyboard with lightning.
It's a problem beyond just upgrading lightning to USB-C. Why Apple hasn't fixed it sooner, I don't know.
I was hoping the new keyboard on the M4 iPad Pro might work with the AVP. AVP people are stuck with 2016-2020 intel based Mac magic keyboards...they've lost their magic. Hoping they figure out the keyboard problem with software at WWDC.
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Here’s how we know this is wrong: it predicts another Mac Pro.
Can‘t possibly be true. No one purchased a $7,000 aluminum box with wheels because of PCIE slots, yet no dedicated GPU.
Can‘t possibly be true. No one purchased a $7,000 aluminum box with wheels because of PCIE slots, yet no dedicated GPU.
Because at 2 years from purchase graphical performance will be increased and in X Plane 12 that is most important for me as a developer.
I foolishly thought that moving to Apple Silicon would simplify all the lineups
Now it's just an absolutely confusing mess of "what is on what A/M chip..."
Now it's just an absolutely confusing mess of "what is on what A/M chip..."