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And doesn’t any more, so take sour grapes opinion for what it is…
They’ve ported some of the APIs back to macOS, but iOS and iPadOS still have additional security features that are not quite backported.
I think we’re both talking about the same thing really. Eventually the core frameworks will be the same on both platforms and the UI will be flicked over in real time because the OS (whichever name it adopts) will include both.
No reboot required; the way the Apple frameworks work, it would be a case of changing the already dynamic dispatch routing from one UI to another; no OS restart and not even an app restart required.
Because why should apple waste their time and resources developing that for the ipad, they could be working on more important things.
and perhaps pigs fly. I don't mean to be mean to you, its a valid question but I'm afraid the answer with apple is... no way in hell will they.
Yep, we are. Certainly some additional services and core details would need to be sorted (I have no idea if IOS has SIP for example but there will be more). Like you said, no reboots required, even better.
Multitouch is incredibly limiting and outdated. Improvements to it would be the obvious thing to do for a touch first device.
No, the argument you presented was that NOBODY could do it, which is trivially not true. Optimal or not is a separate discussion.
That’s one of the reasons it would be nice if the MK could rotate iPad to portrait orientation.
Real life is not an Apple promo video.
You made a great example for my point, however. Artists, pilots, real estate agents... they all use iPads how they were originally meant to be used - as a paper replacement, with touch interface only.
I think that nowadays 1% of people actually use iPads like this. The rest simply put up with compromises that iPad OS brings and use the wrong device for their tasks. Now thay can attach an expensive keyboard with trackpad and believe they have a Macbook.
And yeah, real work is, in a far greater percentage, manipulating text or numbers with computers. iPad OS is useless for this. Can you name a company, where workers use iPads exclusively?
The term "This is a classic case of listening to the customer who is wrong." is just perfect here.
Instead of a great and fun tool, Apple is now morphing into Android / Microsoft state of mind. Quite sad in my opinion.
Doesn't even really need to be scaled down. An IPP is basically a touchscreen MBA at this point. There is no need to scale down MacOS on an MBA and the hardware is the same. Run macOS as is, provide touch-first (Springboard) when not docked and have the option for either Springboard or Mac desktop when docked. Allow iPad apps to be windows seamlessly in MacOS when docked (you know, like Mac does already).
This.
With the ARM architecture on Mac - iPadOS is becoming more and more bizzare and useless with each passing month.
I would buy an iPad Pro in an instant if it ran macOS. Portable powerhouse, not only portable as 12'' Macbook used to be.
I believe revenue is the only issue. Currently (some) people have three devices (iPhone, iPad, Mac). We can still hope, that THIS is the new iPad Pro. It would be rather easy to make Pro tablets run macOS, while ordinary iPads still run iPad OS.
As the iPad Pros are becoming more expensive every year whilst M1/M2 Macbooks are becoming cheaper, the iPad Pro as a laptop replacement is increasingly looking like a bad deal if you include the cost of a keyboard case + USB dongle.
If you want 256GB or 512GB storage then an IPP is even a worse deal as video editing on Macs support external storage.
While the idea of macOS on the iPad sounds nice, I think they could further refine features like Stage Manager to make the iPad more capable. The Magic Keyboard makes a huge difference when using the iPad and an improved version (with an escape and ‘function’ keys!) would be awesome. For me, the iPad is my travel device: great for flights, smaller and more durable (with keyboard) than a MacBook and able to perform everything* I need for work.
*Yeah, some instances where workarounds and hopping between multiple apps for a simple macOS task can be tedious. JetBrains should just make an iPad version of their desktop apps.
*Yeah, some instances where workarounds and hopping between multiple apps for a simple macOS task can be tedious. JetBrains should just make an iPad version of their desktop apps.
If you own an M1/M2 MacBook and iPad Pro, there is unnecessary redundancy.
Both have the same hardware. If the iPad could run OSX when docked or with an external monitor, I would not have to own a MacBook and thereby save a lot of money.
There already IS an upgraded Stage Manger. It's called Mission Control on macOS. And it's perfect for multitasking, even across multiple desktops.
This is getting bizzare. iPad users requesting features, which have been available on macOS for more than a decade and at the same time defending the usability of iPadOS.
See my previous post regarding reboots.
MacOS and ipadOS will end up being the same thing essentially, and flick from one to the other UI in real time.
We’re not there yet and there’s further development and integration required by apple without breaking things on macOS too quickly, but that’s where things are headed.
macOS would be crap on the ipad as is - just like ipadOS would be crap on a macbook.
What’s coming is NOT dual boot.
Completely.
The iPad Pro is facing an existencial problem, is between the iPhone Pro (and pro max) and the MacBook Pro with ARM.
iPad Pro is becoming an Iphone without certain apps that are phone only, and without certain MacBook apps. Seats in the middle without the best of both worlds.
For the people with the 3 devices, more and more people are going down to actually just use two of them.
Apple needs to address this, or sales will continue to drop.
On my use case, I actually use a lot the iPad, but will never pay again more then 1k for one, can be easily replace by the phone (on bed) and for the MacBook (on the sofa).
The good new is that the iPad problems are in their core, software issues, so Apple can fix this.
Try using iPad in SideCar mode on macOS. It's not crap. It's nice and makes you wanna just take the iPad and the keyboard and go.
macOS wasn’t designed for a touch device. There needs to be a balance between the transition from keyboard-docked to handheld that isn’t jarring. It’s a problem specific to iPad and I don’t think that simply slapping macOS on the iPad is an elegant solution.
Also, even when I’m using the keyboard, I’ll mix touch and trackpad use. That’s usability I’ll defend.
I prefer owning both. They both excel in their own respect and a merged product wouldn’t necessarily suit me better.
Yes. The challenge is figuring out how to merge the two....or should I see three if we include VisionOS?
I cant image spending £3000 just to see blown up iPhone apps on 3D. Yes I could use Apple Vision as a display for my MBP but really? Why should I have to carry around a £1500 computer to fully exploit a £3000 computer useful?
A computer within a computer?
#xhibitmeme
Therefore I believe that ipad, macos and Vision os must at some point be merged.
VisionOS will be easy to merge in as there’s no history of legacy applications to not break. Everything on that is already using the latest APIs. This is why iOS apps already run on VisionOS just fine.
Excellent point. The most apps that run in the cloud and use Apis, the easier it will be to merge macos and ipad os versus dual booting with content stored locally in different partitionts - posing security risks in getting the two partitions to sync and talk to eachother.
Apple will figure it out. It's still early days as M1/M2 ipads are barely teo years old.