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The person you responded to wasn’t saying to not switch between OSes. They were just saying that a user shouldn’t be forced to switch based on if they’re using/not using a keyboard. Because someone may or may not want to use a keyboard with iPadOS or macOS.
I get that. There are so many posts in here that are of the impression it has to be all-or-nothing with the "on MK is MacOS and off is iPadOS". I just picked one that kind of set up my point and relied to that one.
 
It absolutely is not. Having accessibility settings for people that need them is very important. Do ramps leading into buildings for people in wheelchairs also upset you because it cost resources to implement them? There’s no logical rebuttal for this, I’m sorry. Options are good. Period.
Assistive Touch for handicapped people has been a thing well before Apple implemented official trackpad support.

Sorry. But your argument doesn't work here. Period.
 
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Optional control is useless and a waste of engineering time for Apple and third party devs when they could be working on something more important.
Nearly every single accessibility feature, of which is ubiquitous to the Apple brand, is optional to the average user - yet to those that use it, it is either extremely valuable, good enough, or not quite there yet.

If a cursor on an iPad is something that is bringing Apple into a downward spiral, then apply to them and make your case, I guess. Weird hill to die on.
 
Now let's talk about these iPads. I'm happy enough with my M1 12.9" Pro that it has to be some serious improvements before I drop the coin on a new one. A center camera in landscape mode would likely push me over. Not sure an improved keyboard would. Just thinking out loud about how this affects me... Has nothing to do with whether this is a good idea for Apple or not.
A keyboard with a function key row would for me.

I'm curious though, what would a center camera do for you? I don't ever use the back camera on my iPad Pro.
 
You probably missed the part where I said "Not that that's the main point "


Instead of Apple having engineers making multitouch/multitasking better, they're spending time on half-baked solutions for mediocre experiences that a Mac has already solved. Waste of resources that a portion of my $799 paid for and has a large opportunity cost.
Yeah, but they're kind of doing it already by running IOS and iPadOS apps on macOS.
No doubt there are real challenges, as IOS/iPadOS were build ground-up based on touch as the primary input, while macOS has been focused on keyboard and mouse.

Microsoft kind of screwed up on their overall Surfacebook series more than once, but their Surface large displays when not waiting on updates are pretty solid collaboration tools: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/business/surface-hub-2

Amusingly their marketing literally focuses on everything I don't care about (Teams is a hot mess overall - still), but the share and collaborate bit - near-real-time white boarding across sites (each with a $$ Surface Hub, but some on Surfacebooks with pencil), with 'virtual' whiteboard sizes to just keep scrolling/adding to vertical and horizontal, then export it for everyone in the meeting or better, share it as the one master for offline editing...blew away other collaborators tools for that purpose.

For better or worse, you also have the (growing) user segment that either can do their specific work solely on an iPad, or thinks iPads are a full-fledged computer and will come to expect it. Sooner or later, MS or someone else will get one of their devices (and software) to 'good enough for most' including touch, pen/pencil, mouse and keyboard.

Some of their iPad changes I think are reactionary, but they could get to a viable path if they choose to do so. If they don't, it's possible someone else does.
 
Better example is probably documents. They’re often portrait oriented, so it’s naturally easier to keep them in portrait while typing/working on them.
Absolutely, which sadly display manufactures also get wrong - the whole evolution of screen ratios remains driven off of 'make it play a DVD well' and is horrible for coding, documentation, reading, you name it. But definitely not just an iPad problem as it's also on all laptops and many displays.

Would love to see second camera on iPad in 'proper spot for most meetings' when in MK, and allow sane screen rotation while still having MK-next-gen attached.
 
Have you tried using the CMD + . (period) keyboard shortcut? Works pretty much the same.
Is there a key combo for F(1-12) and Shift-F(1-12)? I have old software that uses these combos and I would be connected to a PC remotely...

I don't have a MK to test with, yet anyway.
 
I owned the 2018 12.9” iPP w/ Magic Keyboard….The Magic Keyboard for the iPad is exactly why I bought the 13” M2 MBA and sold the iPP. That’s because my preferred mode of use turned out to be docked to the Magic Keyboard instead of as a tablet. The MBA is a better clamshell computer in every sense (except speaker sound).

Some people here are saying the Magic Keyboard helps sell iPads and that might be true, but I also believe after Apple has taken your money and you use it for some time…you begin to realize you should have just bought a secondary portable laptop.

Which is sort of at the heart of the problem - many of us would like to converge to one device, as they are now technically similar enough in compute power and form, but Apple revenue wants to keep people at 'buy one of each device type.'

Technically, were they to do a 'good' convergence like an iPad Ultra running macOS, I'd probably wind up replacing my iPad Pro for 'lightweight non-consumption tasks' and MBP as primary system for the workday and mobile when I know I need 'more' into an iPad Pro Ultra and a 'mini Max' or Studio Pro - which could actually net them more revenue... again, if done right.

There are definitely real limits on the current iPads with or without MK. MK does expand things more than other options, for many at least, but falls short - I adjust which device I'm taking based on my expected needs for mobile work on a given day, and your call was to just replace it altogether with an MBA, also viable depending on use case and preference.

Is it okay for Apple fans that an iPad Pro keyboard costs as much as a very basic Windows notebook?
Meh. Their costs have definitely taken a turn for the worse IMO. I used to be able to more or less justify apples to apples comparisons on MBPs vs <true comparable system> but the MK and Mac RAM/storage upgrades are definitely getting out of hand.
 
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There is already an MKUltra company that makes gaming keyboards. There is also the small matter of the CIA program with that name.
Lol true. Guess they'd best be careful on their spacing and spellings then, or people searching on CIA badness may wind up buying more Apple products? :D
 
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I have a 2018, 11' iPad Pro

I've been thinking about buying the Magic Keyboard so I can use my iPad as my laptop when needed

My old PC laptop is dying and I don't use laptops at home often anyway, I don't code or do anything fancy on computers so I don't think buying a new laptop or a Macbook Air would be worth it- in my case.

Should I buy the current keyboard or wait for the new one lol (new one could see a price increase too)
 
AS macs can now run IOS and iPadOS apps, so doubt it would be via dual boot, but perhaps a type of ‘profile’ fast-switch mode. I wrote a bunch n a different post in this thread I’m not going to repeat, but certainly it’s far from a foregone conclusion to see any real ‘convergence’ or we then have iPad OR Mac, which could get messy for Apple’s bottom line.

I’d be pretty happy if they enabled pencili support on the MBP trackpad while they’re sorting how to keep positioning iPads as ‘computers’ but ‘not enough to impact mac sales.’ ;)
I think you’re a lot more likely to just see them expand the functionality of stage manager on external displays.
 
I think you’re a lot more likely to just see them expand the functionality of stage manager on external displays.
Probably. It's feasible for me to occasionally use the iPad Pro and pencil during the work day in home office, but never when I'm mobile with 'one device or the other.' Short of much expanded iPad functionality, seems like use of pencil on trackpad isn't a huge 'product line killer' and I'd welcome it.

But yeah - I don't expect it. :(
 
Nearly every single accessibility feature, of which is ubiquitous to the Apple brand, is optional to the average user - yet to those that use it, it is either extremely valuable, good enough, or not quite there yet.

If a cursor on an iPad is something that is bringing Apple into a downward spiral, then apply to them and make your case, I guess. Weird hill to die on.

Assistive Touch existed on iPad since 2011.

Magnetic cursor is actually much more difficult for a handicapped person to use. Sorry but your take is just wrong.
 
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I have a 2018, 11' iPad Pro

I've been thinking about buying the Magic Keyboard so I can use my iPad as my laptop when needed

My old PC laptop is dying and I don't use laptops at home often anyway, I don't code or do anything fancy on computers so I don't think buying a new laptop or a Macbook Air would be worth it- in my case.

Should I buy the current keyboard or wait for the new one lol (new one could see a price increase too)

The Magic Keyboard is really nice but personally I don’t like the fixed angle and how heavy it is as a package. It really depends on your usage.

I found for me when I use the keyboard I’m usually at my desk or someplace I can sit. The rest of the time I prefer the the regular apple folio case. I also prefer to touch the screen rather than the trackpad. So my combo is using an Apple bluetooth keyboard (A1314) when I sit to type on the iPad and this way I never have to take it out from the folio. If I needed the keyboard all the time I would just buy a laptop.
 
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