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Gurman: WWDC 2018 to Have Software Focus, New Macs, iPad Pros, and Larger-Screen Apple Watches Coming Later
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Sounds fine. Doesn’t need a keynote.
Nobody makes them do a keynote. IMO, if they choose to do one, there should be something more than new APIs and OS stability/performance fixes.
Yes, 'D' in WWDC stands for 'Developer', but 'S' (software) had been neglected for so long that it really doesn't matter anymore.
So disappointing. I was hoping for some new hardware. Mark is pretty well sourced so I don’t expect any surprises.
Look people, whoever is saying this is a software related conference then Apple would not have annoucned new hardware products last year.
We do understand this is a developers conference but it's already been a year for MBP and now waiting for the fall will just increase more time. There are people who buy MBPs according to Apple's timeline of releasing products and before Bloomberg, everybody here thought there will be updates on hardware too.
So let's not tell each other that "oh, this is a developers conference" we know that!
Apple doesn't even have the best of the specs in the market right now forget the price. There are people like me who need an update for our laptops ASAP and we have waited patiently for WWDC. And why not? last year updates of hardware were announced at WWDC.
There are so many people who are simply saying it's a developers conference while that's not entirely true and blame it on Apple.
Secondly, now we don't have much choice cause for those who badly need a new laptop will definitely go for some other company if they are ok with windows and for those who want Mac OS, they don't have a choice but to buy the current generation and feel pity for themselves after 3-4 months when the new model will come up. That's the story and that's the reality which nobody is liking it.
We do understand this is a developers conference but it's already been a year for MBP and now waiting for the fall will just increase more time. There are people who buy MBPs according to Apple's timeline of releasing products and before Bloomberg, everybody here thought there will be updates on hardware too.
So let's not tell each other that "oh, this is a developers conference" we know that!
Apple doesn't even have the best of the specs in the market right now forget the price. There are people like me who need an update for our laptops ASAP and we have waited patiently for WWDC. And why not? last year updates of hardware were announced at WWDC.
There are so many people who are simply saying it's a developers conference while that's not entirely true and blame it on Apple.
Secondly, now we don't have much choice cause for those who badly need a new laptop will definitely go for some other company if they are ok with windows and for those who want Mac OS, they don't have a choice but to buy the current generation and feel pity for themselves after 3-4 months when the new model will come up. That's the story and that's the reality which nobody is liking it.
You know the focus is developers, right? Why should there be something more than software?
I still believe the next gen iPad Pro will show up at this year’s WWDC. Here are my reasons:
1. Well, it’s been a year so it’s about time.
2. If it doesn’t get upgraded now then it’ll be September, and obviously the next gen iPhone will come with A12 chip, but it’s be odd if the iPP that launches alongside the A12-equipped iPhone comes with A11X.
3. Or it might be equipped with A12X if and when it launches alongside the next gen iPhone, but Apple has never skipped the AP gen for the iPad so far (Since the iPad 2, AP’s on the iPad models have been A4->A5X->A6X->A7->A8X->A9X->A10X).
1. Well, it’s been a year so it’s about time.
2. If it doesn’t get upgraded now then it’ll be September, and obviously the next gen iPhone will come with A12 chip, but it’s be odd if the iPP that launches alongside the A12-equipped iPhone comes with A11X.
3. Or it might be equipped with A12X if and when it launches alongside the next gen iPhone, but Apple has never skipped the AP gen for the iPad so far (Since the iPad 2, AP’s on the iPad models have been A4->A5X->A6X->A7->A8X->A9X->A10X).
Summing up the rumors:
Quality over features for macOS and iOS (no major end user features, just bug squashing-read as iOS 11+ and high sierra+). tvOS is still a hobby, watchOS (I hear more apps pulling support/development/apps from the Apple Watch (wasn’t there a story here in the last week)). Siri is the joke of AI, HomePod isn’t the runaway they thought it would be (those of you who own and enjoy it-good for you! But with Siri your mileage will vary). So what else is there? Apple services and content access? iTunes and App Store (both took a poor UX turn in iOS 11 in my opinion).
What *could* make it a remarkable WWDC- alert/preview moving to ARM if that is really where they’re headed (it’s a developers conference after all give them the oppurtunity to get apps ready and *tenative timeline (similar to intel transition)). Preview new Mac pro similar to nMP in 2013, and iMac Pro in 2017 WWDC. Any hardware updates with updated components, I agree could easily be handled with press releases.
What would really be a snore fest (a la messages effects and learn how to use Apple Music from few WWDC’s ago)... new Apple watch faces and an updated lineup of bold summer color selections of premium polymers watch bands!
It's purpose is for developers. That's the whole point of a developer conference!
Not following the keynote live. Last years were just way too boring.
I expect there won't be anything interesting for me.
Still Im just a casual user and not a developer.
Just hope they improve the ecosystem - got a MBP,iP7 and Apple TV. Would love to see more syncing everything out of the box
I expect there won't be anything interesting for me.
Still Im just a casual user and not a developer.
Just hope they improve the ecosystem - got a MBP,iP7 and Apple TV. Would love to see more syncing everything out of the box
As a flop I meant the keynote, not the conference.
And yes, it is a software conference but Apple these days does almost nothing throughout the year and in the past WWDC was used as a platform to launch or showcase new products also. Just like last year had iMacs, MBPs and iPad Pros this year needs to have at least refresh of iPad Pros as the chips are ready and so they should update the mini etc.
What I don't like about Apple these days is that everything takes ages. Before the trash Mac Pro was introduced there was a massive delay between an update and after the trash can it seemed that we will get regular updates but again, we got nothing until Apple came and said that they messed up the design and that they will do another which will be modular and meanwhile you get iMac Pro. Look at mac mini now - same story.
17" MBP is non existant, displays no longer exist etc.
I think Apple should treat every product in their pipeline the same way they treat iPhone business. I don't mean redesign but with the same consideration and attention. If they were doing that then Mac Pro would be already here, Displays would be here, Mac mini would be here etc.
So yeah, it is a software conference but without hardware there is nothing. Just like VR/AR needed powerful machine that they demonstrated.
And whilst we are at it, Aperture was a software and it was great (neglected but great) and they killed it too.
So yeah, I hope that soon the smartphone business will get so saturated that Apple will have to reinvent themselves.
So you’re telling me a developer conference is about software? Get out of town no way!
New hardware shows up rarely at WWDC. That’s what the other events throughout the year are for.
New hardware shows up rarely at WWDC. That’s what the other events throughout the year are for.
I still have to see anyone make a compelling case why anyone – from an end-user perspective – should want that.
Really interested in the rumoured digital health feature.
Will be very surprised if we don’t see a focus on privacy too.
I suspect there will be some surprises also - a typical PR strategy is to ‘underpromise and over deliver’.
Looking forward to it!
Will be very surprised if we don’t see a focus on privacy too.
I suspect there will be some surprises also - a typical PR strategy is to ‘underpromise and over deliver’.
Looking forward to it!
"Cook told one Mac mini fan in an email that, “while it is not time to share any details, we do plan for Mac mini to be an important part of our product line going forward.”"
""We don't believe in sort of watering down one for the other," Cook told the Sydney Morning Herald in an interview published on Thursday. "Both are incredible. One of the reasons that both of them are incredible is because we pushed them to do what they do well. And if you begin to merge the two ... you begin to make trade offs and compromises."
Well High Sierra and modern Macs are filled with compromises for small gains in integration.
"February 28, 2017 9:46 am PST by Juli Clover During a Q&A session at today's shareholder meeting held at Apple's Cupertino campus, Apple CEO Tim Cook reassured investors that Apple is still very much focused on its professional customers and has plans to "do more" in the pro area."
BS
Tim Cook 2016:
"We've got great innovation in the pipeline. ...
We are going to give you things you can't live without that you just don't know you need today. That has always been the objective of Apple. To do things that really enrich people's lives. That you look back on and you wonder how did I live without this."
I've not seen anything particularly innovative (also: I want stuff that I can use for work, not more emojis or watches)
Denying widespread problems with iPhone batteries, Macbook butterfly keyboards.
https://thehackernews.com/2016/01/apple-icloud-imessages.html
Tim Cook stance on privacy - but in the backchannels (Apple executive Lisa Jackson - TC right-hand person):
"Thousands of times every month, we give governments information about Apple customers and devices, in response to warrants and other forms of legal process.
"We have a team that responds to those requests 24 hours a day."
She added: "Strong encryption does not eliminate Apple’s ability to give law enforcement meta-data or any of a number of other very useful categories of data."
The email was sent on December 20 2015, as Apple was preparing its public opposition to the UK Investigatory Powers Bill, which required it to maintain keys to encrypted devices and certain online messenger services. "
Can't wait for the charging mat. Looking forward to use it with my iPhone 7.
Oh .... wait.
Apple missed that Qi charging feature in such modern devices? Guess jeah. Ima stick with cables, right?
So then theres just the "stable version of iOS" left for me to look forward to.
At least I guess ...they can't disappoint me then?
1. Iris graphics is dead. All ultrabooks are either UHD620 or MX150.Intel also haven't announced a successor to the CPU used in the non touch bar MacBook Pro - the 15w i5-7260U with Iris Graphics. And as already mentioned there's also no successor to the 5w Y series on the horizon. This line is in most danger of being superseded by an ARM CPU if the Marzipan rumours.
Those CPUs could also power an improved MacBook Air, or Mac Mini, although the i5-8250U has been out since late last year. It's easy to put that aside though as a quad core CPU up against dual core ones in most other 13" models would have looked wrong.
The CPUs for the Touchbar powered Macs are launched if not already available and the G series Intel i5-8305G and i7-8705G look strong contenders for some sort of product in a 15" MacBook Pro range (with or without touch bar perhaps).
The gap between the 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pros was just 9 months - from October 2016 to June 2017 when there was a super upgrade of MacBook Pros and iMacs. Waiting until October this year for the MacBooks suggests something is going on - after all the gap goes from 9 months at best to potentially 15 months from the 2017 to 2018 models - last time that sort of thing happened Intel messed up with their Broadwell CPUs. Here's a call-back to an old Mark Gurman article from 2016.
This time the delay could be:
1. Waiting for Intel to launch 15w parts with Iris Graphics and/or 5w parts.
2. Apple urgently redesigning the MacBook Pro in light of keyboardgate (as nobody is calling it) ahead of what could have been a proper redesign after the 4th version of the 2016 design.
3. Knock-on due to work on modular Mac Pro/iMac Pro.
4. Work on ARM Mac
5. Waiting on suitable AMD mobile VEGA GPU because 500X is unsuitable?
Yes, some of these points are model specific but Apple may want to launch everything at once.
Believe me, if Tim Cook starts talking about macOS living another double life (a call back to Steve Jobs at the beginning of the PPC to Intel transition) all bets are off.
Waiting a little longer until the traditional October time frame for hardware releases will be just about ok if these changes do end up being game changing (eg bigger screen sizes, case redesigns to fix the keyboards, MBA going full retina etc) rather than spec bumps.
While I would say there's reasons for the laptops to be updated later there's probably no real reason for delaying iMacs assuming Apple want to use the Coffee Lake desktop CPUs that area already out. They might also be hoping to use the i5-8305G in the 21.5" model which could delay it to the same day as the MacBook Pros or be waiting on the next major macOS release in October for some reason.
For headless devices, though, any late release of the iMac leaves it that bit closer to the release of the modular Mac Pro and gives Mac Mini fans that bit longer to discuss the various merits of the existing Haswell system.
One thing Apple could be waiting on is the Xeon E entry level CPUs - the names of which got leaked a few days ago. Perhaps Apple are starting to prepare for ARM Macs by going Xeon with their proper Intel Pro products?
Mobile 6 core Xeons are already available.
2. they better
3. A modular mac pro must take so much work. HP Z series workstation with real horsepower and cooling is just so difficult to design isn't it.
4. Yeah, running CAD software, virtual machines, full size photoshop/after effect/FCPX/premiere pro is so feasible on ARM devices. I'm so sure ARM is a better idea than i9-7980XE/Xeon platium/Ryzen 2700x/Epyc.
5. Maybe someone that actually knows how to make an efficient GPU instead? Who knew 15 TFLOPS of FP32 is actually possible for under 250w. Green means cool and Red means fire,you know.
Having a 90-120 minute keynote that features some new hardware releases doesn't take anything away from the entire weeks worth of software development conferences and workshops. No need get defensive about possible hardware announcements stealing a little thunder. Most everything AFTER the SHORT keynote is all about you.
Jeeze, software guys are defensive.
Jeeze, software guys are defensive.
"Cook told one Mac mini fan in an email that, “while it is not time to share any details, we do plan for Mac mini to be an important part of our product line going forward.”"
""We don't believe in sort of watering down one for the other," Cook told the Sydney Morning Herald in an interview published on Thursday. "Both are incredible. One of the reasons that both of them are incredible is because we pushed them to do what they do well. And if you begin to merge the two ... you begin to make trade offs and compromises."
Well High Sierra and modern Macs are filled with compromises for small gains in integration.
"February 28, 2017 9:46 am PST by Juli Clover During a Q&A session at today's shareholder meeting held at Apple's Cupertino campus, Apple CEO Tim Cook reassured investors that Apple is still very much focused on its professional customers and has plans to "do more" in the pro area."
BS
Tim Cook 2016:
"We've got great innovation in the pipeline. ...
We are going to give you things you can't live without that you just don't know you need today. That has always been the objective of Apple. To do things that really enrich people's lives. That you look back on and you wonder how did I live without this."
I've not seen anything particularly innovative (also: I want stuff that I can use for work, not more emojis or watches)
Denying widespread problems with iPhone batteries, Macbook butterfly keyboards.
“Conversations which take place over iMessage and FaceTime are protected by end-to-end encryption so no one but the sender and receiver can see or read them,”.. .but:
https://thehackernews.com/2016/01/apple-icloud-imessages.html
Tim Cook stance on privacy - but in the backchannels (Apple executive Lisa Jackson - TC right-hand person):
"Thousands of times every month, we give governments information about Apple customers and devices, in response to warrants and other forms of legal process.
"We have a team that responds to those requests 24 hours a day."
She added: "Strong encryption does not eliminate Apple’s ability to give law enforcement meta-data or any of a number of other very useful categories of data."
The email was sent on December 20 2015, as Apple was preparing its public opposition to the UK Investigatory Powers Bill, which required it to maintain keys to encrypted devices and certain online messenger services. "
First point, he said the mac mini is going to be an important part of the lineup moving forward... It just hasn't been released yet.
Second point he is talking about merging the touchscreen from iPads and Macs.
Third point... They released the iMac Pro last year and are still working on the Mac Pro.
Fourth point.. He says they have stuff in the pipeline that isn't ready yet, I take this to mean glasses, but I could be way off.
How are you not able to use current Apple products for work?
I will give you the battery and keyboard problems were/are shady.
Id like to see a more reliable source than what you referenced for Apple being able to read iMessages and such.
Your last point about law enforcement is nonsensical. You cut and pasted bits and pieces to fit your narrative. Yes, they will provide them what they can when warrants are provided. They will not just go willy nilly unlocking phones so law enforcement can get in (and they don't have the ability to).
Were reaching/have reached a peak with this stuff. We are not going to get an earth shattering product like the iPhone every couple of years. I would argue that the watch is pretty earth shattering on its own and they seem to be absolutely everywhere. At this point it is all refinements, which I am perfectly happy with. I just want products that work well together and are easy to use.
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I don't think software guys are being defensive about it. They are just pointing out that this is a software event so if new hardware is not revealed it is not a surprise.
Last year we got new hardware at the keynote and in typical macrumors fashion, everyone bitched and moaned about what was released anyway.
Software programs do not exist by themselves. Without hardware, they are dead.