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It is also a country that pays people for work they perform. The millions of Reddit users contribute 100% of all content on the platform, with zero pay.
This is opt-in. Reddit users do what they do because they want to.
And the moderators all provide their services keeping the subs safe and clean and rule obeying, for absolutely not one cent of pay.
Same as macrumors.
The days of that happening need to end.
People contribute for free and mods moderate without remuneration for their own reasons.
Let’s see how well Reddit can self moderate so many subs that have millions of subscribers posting so much content, without any moderator assistance. Slave labor needs to end.
Like Netflix this will likely blow over. Or there may be a compromise reached.
 
Reddit doesn't need to negotiate or meet in the middle. Senior leadership is preparing for an IPO, and once shares are issued and bought, there's an expectation from shareholders that the company will be profitable. It's as simple as that.

Literally the only thing that reddit should be offering to users right now is to take them more seriously when it comes to UX and UI issues with the desktop site and mobile app.

I don't think you really comprehend that Reddit provides zero content to anyone. Literally 100% of all their content is supplied by the users themselves. So this makes them so different than most companies that try to find a price that consumers will pay to access the services they provide. People choose whether to pay to use Netflix, or Hulu, or any other service if it has content they like. Reddit is a glorified forum. People access it to read what other users have to say or post.

While technically you are right that Reddit does not need to negotiate or meet in the middle, the users are also free to move on and find a different forum.
 
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This is opt-in. Reddit users do what they do because they want to.

Same as macrumors.

People contribute for free and mods moderate without remuneration for their own reasons.

Like Netflix this will likely blow over. Or there may be a compromise reached.

Yes, it is opt in. And yes each has their own reasons. And if you piss off and insult all those people, or make the user experience so horrible its a pain to use.... they can likewise opt out.
 
Exactly this.

First, Reddit is a business. It has employees, it maintains servers, it has costs and bills. Why should others be able to profit off of Reddit’s work without some kind of compensation going to Reddit? This stuff can be pretty expensive to maintain.

Second, it’s never great to rely on another company for the soul survival of your own business. A day will come when YouTube will dramatically change their policies and a lot of full-time YouTubers will suddenly find themselves out of a job. The problem is they never think the current deal will go away, so they have no back-up plan. The same is true for any developers living off another company’s API.

I have read the official statements of the 3rd Party app developers... and every single one said they were okay with having to pay a fee. The issue is not that Reddit is a business and needs to make money. The issue is that they went from no fee at all, to expecting so crazy unrealistic fees.... with almost no notice whatsoever. Apollo developer even said he might have found a way to make the fees they were now asking for work... if they would just give him more time. How did they expect those developers to completely rework the entire thing in 30 days. I'm not going to go into it further, you can find much better explanations available online. But to suggest the issue is a simple as people not wanting to pay anything is disingenuous.
 
I don't know about making it popular. But it makes the user experience vastly better for many many people. Personally, i'll stop using Reddit the day Apollo stops working. Not just for the moral/philosophical stand... but simply because the official Reddit app sucks so badly that i won't tolerate using it.
I don't think the Reddit app is bad at all. I mean it's all I have ever used in 10 years because I didn't know there were alternatives. I'll keep on using it for the next 10 years if I'm still breathing.
 
Is it true that Reddit has never been profitable? Even after almost 20 years?

Maybe they're trying to fix that.

I dunno.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I remember when Amazon went so many years without making any money. And in the earlier years they even used to have lots of good coupons available to boost sales. Look at them now!

Personally, i think that once Reddit goes public, and more experienced and sane people are in charge.... they will do a much better job making money. I agree that they need to charge money for API use.... nothing wrong with that. But they went from 0 to 100 in a few seconds. And they have made it obvious that they are trying to make it impossible for 3rd party apps to survive, so people have to use the official app. And pretend while doing so that the apps just dont want to pay anthing.
 
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The hypocrisy of the CEO is pretty astounding. He complains about 3rd party apps making money when his entire business is predicated on the free labor of moderators.

I don't think the majority of people here that are defending Reddit have actually paid much attention to what is going on, how disingenuous the CEO has behaved with the developers (they have quite openly shared the conversations, and its appalling), or understand the effect this all has on moderators.... which is of much more significance than the average user.
 
You guys can hate reddit all you want, but most of my problems are answered by finding a reddit post in a google search. The company I work for blocked reddit access on their network and I'm still burned every time when I do a search for an issue and I find the answer, only to forget that it's blocked and I can't access it. So frustrating. The people on reddit know a lot, and if the post doesn't cover it, the comments will... plus sometimes the comments can be a hilarious place to hang out.
 
You guys can hate reddit all you want, but most of my problems are answered by finding a reddit post in a google search. The company I work for blocked reddit access on their network and I'm still burned every time when I do a search for an issue and I find the answer, only to forget that it's blocked and I can't access it. So frustrating. The people on reddit know a lot, and if the post doesn't cover it, the comments will... plus sometimes the comments can be a hilarious place to hang out.
Well I think that's why a lot of people are upset. Reddit has been my go to place to spend a big portion of my day scrolling for the last handful of years - finding out interesting articles, passing those along to friends, and learning things I didn't know. I participated in several subreddits and yes, I had a lot of questions answered by helpful people.

That's why we're upset that the CEO is doing this and treating reddit users like this.

I would also rephrase your statement to say: People know a lot. Reddit gave them a way to connect and a platform to discuss topics fairly easily.

I really don't think it's hating Reddit the service as much as it is protesting the actions of the CEO against its users that made Reddit what it is today.
 
I am strongly opposed to what Reddit is doing with killing off 3rd-party apps (while trying to escape the blame, by offering a ludicrously high price and scant time to adapt) and how they're threatening mods (you know, the tireless unpaid helpers to whom Reddit owes a substantial part of its existence), but...

... this is NOT the way to get them to change the rules. It's morally and legally wrong, plus it'll just give Reddit ammunition to try to claim the moral high ground - "see? Reddit is getting picked on unfairly by all those mean, ungrateful, users and mods who will stop at nothing to beat up poor Reddit!!1!" - despite millions of Reddit users having absolutely nothing to do with the handful of cretins responsible.

I've been on Reddit for twelve and a half years and have been highly active in a variety of communities at various points (it's the closest in feel to the communities we had back on Usenet News in the 80's and 90's), and a bit of time on Reddit using Apollo on my iPad has been a part of my morning routine for years. And I'm very sad to see Apollo summarily killed off by Reddit (much like Tweetbot was killed off by Musk's Twitter). I'm reevaluating whether I'm going to stick around, and looking for alternate (read: non-Reddit) ways to interact with the same communities (I certainly won't be using the official app, it's a dumpster fire in comparison).

The whole situation is hugely frustrating, and it didn't have to be like this. If they had just said, "starting on (some date 3-4 months off), in order to access Reddit with a 3rd-party app, you will need an individual Reddit API key, which you can get by subscribing to Reddit Premium", they would have gotten tens or hundreds of thousands of new subscriptions to Reddit Premium, with very little effort on their part. And keeping the good will of all the communities they serve. I have no problems paying Reddit for access, I find it a valuable resource. What I do have problems with is ads, crappy official apps, and creepy data collection / tracking. Reddit wanted the one path they saw that would get them the most money and control, and I'm glad it's blowing up in their faces. But I'm sad that the great gathering place is getting torn apart, because a CEO is stubborn and egotistical (he's had documented cases of silently editing other people's posts that were critical of him). And I'm fearful that in the process we may be losing access to a decade plus of valuable insight and answers. It feels a bit like burning down a library. **** /u/spez.

Oh well, in the meantime, some of the malicious compliance (from subreddit moderators who were threatened that if they didn't reopen their subreddits they'd be kicked and replaced) is... delicious (borrowing from a post in /r/OutOfTheLoop):
  • /r/pics has opted to only allow pics of John Oliver, usually "looking sexy" and is the main cause of the John-Oliver-itis spreading throughout various reddit posts.
  • /r/Wellthatsucks (previously about mishaps) is only allowing posts about vacuums.
  • /r/memes is only allowing medieval/Landed Gentry memes in reference to Spez's (reddit CEO and co-founder) recent comments regarding the blackout protest and moderators.
  • /r/Steam is only allowing posts about steam (the state of water) instead of Steam the Storefront (though it looks like that one may have been overthrown now).
(In many/most of these cases and others, the mods put up a poll asking the subreddit's members whether they wanted to stay closed and risk Reddit Admin intervention, or reopen, or take the malicious compliance route, and users keep choosing the latter. It's hilarious, but it also shows that the Reddit CEO is having trouble being in control and further hurts their valuation before their planned IPO. **** /u/spez.)
 
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Reddit has some cool stuff and it's a shame if it were to go away or go the way of Tumblr, but I have to admit, some of the annoying, biased moderators high on their own power that are scrambling right now, gosh I'd pay to watch. A little like a certain place on the internet might I add...
 
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It is also a country that pays people for work they perform. The millions of Reddit users contribute 100% of all content on the platform, with zero pay. And the moderators all provide their services keeping the subs safe and clean and rule obeying, for absolutely not one cent of pay. The days of that happening need to end. Lets see how well Reddit can self moderate so many subs that have millions of subscribers posting so much content, without any moderator assistance. Slave labor needs to end.
Are you serious? You’re now saying Reddit creates a free platform for people to use, that costs money to them, and you feel because you’re using this free platform for whatever you’re wanting that they owe you money for it?

How disappointed have you been waiting for that Google check in your mailbox because you decided to use their search engine? Did you buy a nice car with that apple check for using safari? Tell us of all your exotic world travels you did when Amazon paid you to shop there.
 
I don't know about making it popular. But it makes the user experience vastly better for many many people. Personally, i'll stop using Reddit the day Apollo stops working. Not just for the moral/philosophical stand... but simply because the official Reddit app sucks so badly that i won't tolerate using it.
Apollo = 172000 ratings
Reddit = 2.65million.

You’ll be missed
 
Considering all that you just wrote, how do reconcile hanging out in these forums? There are very few facts in these comments and a ton of opinions. Some of those opinions are informed, many are not.

And yet... here we both are
I also never claimed mine was some sort of expert opinion.
 
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Hopefully, nobody, because the last year has shown the risk of having our online content concentrated in the hands of a few internet companies whose moderation policies are entirely up to the whims of their (apparently increasingly unhinged) owners.

Perhaps it’s time to go back to decentralised forums.
I wish!
Forums were the best
 
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I also never claimed mine was some sort of expert opinion.
Hot damn, you are like some ninja deflecting every argument 😆

You said yourself you don't use any social media because it's all just garbage and opinion.

And yet you are here. Why? Because... uhm... you don't claim to have an expert opinion.

How does that even make any sense?

Macrumors forums are a form of social media. So is YouTube. You're a user of social media, regardless of what you say.
 
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Are you serious? You’re now saying Reddit creates a free platform for people to use, that costs money to them, and you feel because you’re using this free platform for whatever you’re wanting that they owe you money for it?

How disappointed have you been waiting for that Google check in your mailbox because you decided to use their search engine? Did you buy a nice car with that apple check for using safari? Tell us of all your exotic world travels you did when Amazon paid you to shop there.

Redditors really think they are amazing while it is the complete opposite, they are not the type of users Reddit can make money of.

Other social media websites, such as LinkedIn, have an user base that generates much more money than Redditors.

TikTok has the same problem as Reddit and needs to look for alternative ways to generate money.
 
I don’t understand why so many people still use Reddit The few times I've been there it seems like the cesspool of the internet.
I use it for specific video game forums (Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom being a big one), hardware (Switch), and video clips and stills of cats. I use Reddit far more than something than... well, this site. And that's even if we limit the scope to Apple stuff, and other tech stuff + news.

In general, there's DEFINITELY good stuff on there. But if all you do is visit some random ones, then of course you're going to have a bad time. Like how people complain mobile games suck. For the most part, they do, as 84% of it is dominated by AAA companies and f2p. However, there are definitely gems on there that I buy, and those have been keeping me plenty occupied (e.g. Isle of Arrows, and Slice & Dice, although the latter isn't for iOS. Just Windows, Android, and macOS).

Last but not least, I understand why people use Apple products and services. It's just I myself don't really bother with them. At best, I got a $300 9th gen iPad a year ago. I've hardly touched it. FWIW, being gifted a Nintendo Switch sealed the deal, as I was using the iPad as a glorified gaming device. Now, that gaming time has gone to the Switch. Oh.. I can see myself resubbing to Apple TV+ for a month or 3. Waiting for the next season of Foundation and Central Park. See and Ted Lasso did get their new seasons (and I'd also go back to catch other films and shows I didn't have time to get to when I was on my free trial)!
 
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And nobody has said it should be free forever.
And now it's not free, ending the free period.

Your argument was "If Reddit was offering it for free, it’s absolutely fair." and made no mention of a time limit of when it will be fair when Reddit starts charging.

So...thanks for agreeing that it's fair now...?

Sorry but you're not making any sense. Can't waste anymore time. Have a good one.
 
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