We're clearly not in that world, so imagining it is a fantasy exercise.
Maybe maybe not… it hasnt been tested in court.
We're clearly not in that world, so imagining it is a fantasy exercise.
It isnt dev hostile. Its how most apis already work. Apollo knows this and they are just preying on people who have mostly good intentions. Apollo is going through and blocking the ads that pay reddit employees salaries to keep the api up and running and keep the engineers paid etc…Sure, I didn't say you can't do it, it just doesn't seem like a good use of time and energy. Why not learn with something that isn't so dev-hostile? That's what I'd do, anyway.
I feel like you're missing my point. Or maybe I'm the crazy one for thinking it's a waste of time to learn with something that has no possibility of becoming a viable app rather than something that potentially could (even if that's not the plan, it still gets you familiar with the quirks of something you might use in the future).It isnt dev hostile. Its how most apis already work.
That's not what the hackers are asking for.[*]The apps and tools that are for profit would generally be willing to pay, just not the price Reddit is asking, which is exorbitant. At least some of these apps already do pay for API access to other platforms such as Imgur.
[*]Reddit CEO and alleged former moderator of a now-banned subreddit dedicated to provocative photos of underage girls Steve Huffman claims that it costs Reddit about $10 million per year to support third-party apps over their API. Estimates suggest that Reddit made about $500 million in revenue last year. Apollo developer Christian Selig claims that Reddit’s announced API pricing would cost $20 million annually for just his one app.
[*]The purpose of this isn’t getting their money back out of it, it’s most likely just wanting to kill off third-party apps and tools without having the courage and honesty to say so. Even Elon’s Twitter eventually fessed up to that much.
I don't use Reddit anymore (deleted my account last year), but I was there 10 years and never had a post deleted, was never banned from a subreddit, and was never was giving a warning/timeout.
I guess I just didn't hang out in the degenerate subs.
The hackers weren’t at issue.That's not what the hackers are asking for.
Maybe we’ll find out the real numbers if Reddit ever follows through on its IPO. Until then, sorry, rough and possibly wrong numbers from those involved are about the best we’ve got.Lots of commentary/unproven statements/biased assertions. Largely irrelevant.
These are not analogous to each other. There is clearly a disconnect. Developers use apis all the time that charge past a certain point with no expectation of making money from it.I feel like you're missing my point. Or maybe I'm the crazy one for thinking it's a waste of time to learn with something that has no possibility of becoming a viable app rather than something that potentially could (even if that's not the plan, it still gets you familiar with the quirks of something you might use in the future).
It's like learning to cook but exclusively choosing recipes for dishes that you know no one will want to eat.
Not really. It's obvious that Reddit wants to kill third party apps. The approach they are taking allows them to blame the app provider when Reddit users who subscribe to the app get screwed by the policy change.Lots of commentary/unproven statements/bias assertions. Largely irrelevant.
That's still not the point I'm making.These are not analogous to each other. There is clearly a disconnect. Developers use apis all the time that charge past a certain point with no expectation of making money from it.
They'd still find a way to ruin it. They already bought a different beloved third-party app and their current app still sucks.If Reddit were smart they would just buy Apollo and make it their official app since it seems everyone loves it
Not really. It's obvious that Reddit wants to kill third party apps.
The approach they are taking allows them to blame the app provider when Reddit users who subscribe to the app get screwed by the policy change.
How so? If this is indeed true, why Selig been arrested?No, it isn't. Selig did try to blackmail reddit, and it's on tape.
No, if you listen, he said just buy out Apollo for 10 Mil and be done with it. He wasn't blackmailing, Hoffman didn't understand at first but when clarified Hoffman apologized. After the call Hoff. went on to tell everyone he was trying to blackmail Reddit anyways.No, it isn't. Selig did try to blackmail reddit, and it's on tape.
The real odds are that data is about us. I don’t get the big deal here. All the bitching over a free site.
A ransomware group that hacked into Reddit's servers back in February is threatening to release stolen data if Reddit does not walk back its planned API changes, reports Bleeping Computer (via The Verge).
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At the time of the hack, no one took credit, but ransomware group BlackCat yesterday said that it was responsible. 80GB of compressed data was stolen through a phishing attack, and BlackCat says that the data will be made public unless Reddit pays $4.5 million and withdraws the API pricing changes that will go into effect on July 1.
The group claims to have "interesting confidential data" that includes information on how Reddit tracks users and censors people. BlackCat does not anticipate Reddit cooperating, and says that it expects to leak the data.
At the time of the hack, Reddit said that no user passwords, accounts, or credit card details were impacted, but internal documentation, code, and internal dashboards and business systems were obtained.
BlackCat's demand for an API rollback comes as Reddit prepares to begin charging developers for access to its API. Reddit's fees are putting popular third-party Reddit clients like Apollo out of business, and the API changes have resulted in protests in the form of subreddit blackouts.
Reddit CEO Steve Huffman has said that Reddit has no plan to change its new API business model in light of the negative feedback, and it is unlikely that the company will change its API pricing due to the data leak threat.
Article Link: Hackers Threaten to Release Reddit Data Unless API Changes Are Rolled Back
It isnt dev hostile. Its how most apis already work. Apollo knows this and they are just preying on people who have mostly good intentions. Apollo is going through and blocking the ads that pay reddit employees salaries to keep the api up and running and keep the engineers paid etc…
I cant think of anyone whos just going to let someone run up their server costs indefinitely and not charge some amount plus a built in profit margin.
Most apps/apis etc.. started out as free and started charging users over time.
Thanks for this collection hahahaCool. As a proportion, how many of those 900 million active users actually contribute to Reddit — by posting or moderating — and how many just mindlessly scroll? What about for Apollo?
The thing is, Reddit has pissed off its power users, and they’re the ones who can torch the site at any moment with a little coordination. Indeed, a few of the largest subreddits that took part in the “blackout” have reopened — since Reddit threatened these subreddits to reopen or have their volunteer moderation teams replaced — and to name a few...
Torching underway, it would appear.
- r/art, r/aww, r/gifs, and r/pics — some of the very largest subreddits — polled their users on the future of their subreddits, who voted overwhelmingly in favor of allowing only content related to John Oliver in all four votes
- r/iphone is only allowing “photos of Tim Cook looking dashing” with a new “f**k u/spez” flair for posts
- r/interestingasf**k’s moderators have ceased basically any subreddit-specific moderation, now only requiring that posts comply with Reddit’s overall content guidelines, and is now a de facto porn subreddit as a result
- r/wellthatsucks is only allowing vacuum-related content, and all comments must be "wellthatsucks"
Not showing ads via the API is Reddit’s own damn fault.
I think I listed the most notable ones but if you dig around this r/ModCoord post you might find some more good ones.Thanks for this collection hahaha
Do you know where I could find the whole collection of subreddit with those "stupid" rules pls ?
No duh.The sense of entitlement here astounds me. Servers, load balancers, ip routers, high availability , networking I/O, resilient code….none of that grows on trees. At some point, the ppl that run this stuff need to make a profit to sustain.