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Hands on the iPhone, and History of iPhone?

.Mac Combined with Cingular

I would like to see my .Mac subscription bundled with some kind of cell service... just dreaming.... don't flame me :eek: :eek:

Imagine paying $90 a month for .Mac and cell service with Cingular...

Nevermind forget it. :mad: :mad: :mad: UNLOCK THE PHONE

SET THE PHONE FREE so I don't have to switch service providers. :mad: :mad:

Gosh!!!!!
 
I wonder what other BT tricks it has

Since it is OSX, I wonder if I can sync a BT keyboard to it (not that I want to).
Just wondering.

The iPhone will really rock when they get the 100 Gig HDD version, plenty of space for video on the road and an idight camera on the front so you can do video chat.
 
iphone + cingular = big ripoff

sorry to play the devil's advocate here... but, has anybody looked at cingular's data rates????

they charge a whopping $49 a month for unlimited data transfer, compared to $15 with sprint!!! and even for a lousy 5MB transfer cingular wants $19. so together with a 'qualifiying' voice plan, this will turn out to be verrrrry expensive. thanks steve, for locking in the ipone with the most expense carrier. you really should have made it so it works with everybody....
 
pale9 said:
sorry to play the devil's advocate here... but, has anybody looked at cingular's data rates????

they charge a whopping $49 a month for unlimited data transfer, compared to $15 with sprint!!! and even for a lousy 5MB transfer cingular wants $19. so together with a 'qualifiying' voice plan, this will turn out to be verrrrry expensive. thanks steve, for locking in the ipone with the most expense carrier. you really should have made it so it works with everybody....
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iPhone has huge data transfer abilities. As engadget has mentioned, cingular will likely have an iPhone-specific contract.
 
iam1080 said:
Expect to see the Album Flow interface w/ touchscreen on ALL iPods. 6 months is a long time to go.. Just watch them release a new widescreen iPod w/ album flow sans camera and phone before then. We said it here first.
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True, those features might trickle down to the other iPods, but they would not come out before the iPhone, since that would reduce the impetus to buy the iPhone.
 
3rd Party & Mac Software

Jobs didn't say "It runs Mac software" because he doesn't want to scare non-Mac people away. He didn't use the word "Mac" for a reason. Non-Mac people get very nervous if you tell them they will have to use a Mac. Most of the world doesn't use a Mac, but anyone is a potential customer for the iPhone, just like the iPod market. Instead, they are emphasizing the main focus, the main reason to buy the thing: it's an iPod and a phone, and it will work that way no matter what PC you have. You don't need any other reason to buy it. If it runs Mac software or 3rd party apps, that's a plus. Instead, he said:

"It runs OS X" (with a huge Mac OS X logo! filling the screen)
"It uses Cocoa, Core Animation, etc."
"It has widgets"
"It runs desktop quality apps"

These were code-words to the loyal followers. We know what they mean. Windows users don't, and that's okay. Don't you get it? Jobs would not have used the term Widgets if it wasn't going to run Mac Widgets. That would be silly. And, Jobs wouldn't have mentioned Cocoa if developers couldn't use it. Cocoa and Core Animation are developer technologies. If developers couldn't use it, he would have just talked about the great features the iPhone has and left it at that. For iPods, you never heard him talk about the development features. We don't know how they develop iPod software, because it doesn't matter.

This tells me, it will run Mac software, and developers will be able to use Cocoa and Core Animation, and everything else they already use on OS X to develop new software. Maybe there will be additional APIs, or settings in Interface Builder. But, it won't be a completely different API, it will be Cocoa, that's what he said.

As was mentioned, developers have been told to get ready for "Resolution Independence" in Leopard for coming "high resolution displays". Gee, what new displays do we have that are high res? Only the iPhone. It's 160dpi.

Maybe it will be some time before developers can write software for it so that Apple can fully control the direction and future of the device before they have to worry about breaking 3rd party software - I don't know. But, it will happen. We have (select) 3rd parties developing games for iPod now. Some day, it will probably be for any developer. But, the iPhone will probably allow 3rd party software early on.

The cool part is, after millions of people buy the iPhone, then Apple can inform them that they already own a Mac and can run Mac software. They are Mac users! All of the sudden the Mac doesn't seem so scary and weird. Now they can switch painlessly. And, if they really need to run Windows, their Intel Mac can do that too. No worries.
 
BobMcBob said:
Jobs didn't say "It runs Mac software" because he doesn't want to scare non-Mac people away. He didn't use the word "Mac" for a reason. Non-Mac people get very nervous if you tell them they will have to use a Mac. Most of the world doesn't use a Mac, but anyone is a potential customer for the iPhone, just like the iPod market. Instead, they are emphasizing the main focus, the main reason to buy the thing: it's an iPod and a phone, and it will work that way no matter what PC you have. You don't need any other reason to buy it. If it runs Mac software or 3rd party apps, that's a plus. Instead, he said:

"It runs OS X" (with a huge Mac OS X logo! filling the screen)
"It uses Cocoa, Core Animation, etc."
"It has widgets"
"It runs desktop quality apps"

These were code-words to the loyal followers. We know what they mean. Windows users don't, and that's okay. Don't you get it? Jobs would not have used the term Widgets if it wasn't going to run Mac Widgets. That would be silly. And, Jobs wouldn't have mentioned Cocoa if developers couldn't use it. Cocoa and Core Animation are developer technologies. If developers couldn't use it, he would have just talked about the great features the iPhone has and left it at that. For iPods, you never heard him talk about the development features. We don't know how they develop iPod software, because it doesn't matter.

This tells me, it will run Mac software, and developers will be able to use Cocoa and Core Animation, and everything else they already use on OS X to develop new software. Maybe there will be additional APIs, or settings in Interface Builder. But, it won't be a completely different API, it will be Cocoa, that's what he said.

As was mentioned, developers have been told to get ready for "Resolution Independence" in Leopard for coming "high resolution displays". Gee, what new displays do we have that are high res? Only the iPhone. It's 160dpi.

Maybe it will be some time before developers can write software for it so that Apple can fully control the direction and future of the device before they have to worry about breaking 3rd party software - I don't know. But, it will happen. We have (select) 3rd parties developing games for iPod now. Some day, it will probably be for any developer. But, the iPhone will probably allow 3rd party software early on.

The cool part is, after millions of people buy the iPhone, then Apple can inform them that they already own a Mac and can run Mac software. They are Mac users! All of the sudden the Mac doesn't seem so scary and weird. Now they can switch painlessly. And, if they really need to run Windows, their Intel Mac can do that too. No worries.
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Word.
 
BobMcBob said:
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This tells me, it will run Mac software, and developers will be able to use Cocoa and Core Animation, and everything else they already use on OS X to develop new software. Maybe there will be additional APIs, or settings in Interface Builder. But, it won't be a completely different API, it will be Cocoa, that's what he said.

As was mentioned, developers have been told to get ready for "Resolution Independence" in Leopard for coming "high resolution displays". Gee, what new displays do we have that are high res? Only the iPhone. It's 160dpi.
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Weren't devs supposed to ditch Cocoa so it's easier to use universal binaries? I don't really care, I use the checkbox in XCode and it works fine for me. :)
I guess there will be a major update in XCode and Dashcode so you can make apps for the desktop and the mobile (iPhone and successors) at the same time, share packages etc. I love the idea of making a widget and just having to do 2 different interfaces: one for mouse/keyboard and one for multitouch. The basic source code can stay as long as it does not go too deep into the hardware. Widgets are Java anyway, I imagine a lot of widgets would work on the iPhone right out of the box. Most of them don't make a lot of sense on a mobile device tho (iStats pro) :D
 
pale9 said:
sorry to play the devil's advocate here... but, has anybody looked at cingular's data rates????

they charge a whopping $49 a month for unlimited data transfer, compared to $15 with sprint!!! and even for a lousy 5MB transfer cingular wants $19. so together with a 'qualifiying' voice plan, this will turn out to be verrrrry expensive. thanks steve, for locking in the ipone with the most expense carrier. you really should have made it so it works with everybody....
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Just wait for the phone to be released in europe. Over here almost every phone can be purchased without a contract (of course at a higher price level). BTW, i really wonder at what price the phone will be sold here. Usually jou can get up to 400$ price reduction if you get a 2y contract (and still you can use the phone with other providers). So for the iPhone this could mean 1000$ for the device without contract, which is quite much in my opinion. The most expensive phone i found with 2 year contract is about 690$, the Treo 750 you will get for 490$ and the Sony Ericsson W950i (including 4GB and UMTS) will cost you about 350$.

I highly doubt that a iPhone at such a hig price can be sucessfull in europe, also because it lacks the UMTS (G3) functionality, where as most of its "smartphone" rivals already include this high speed comunication protocol.

So please Apple, lower the price at least to 399$ and 499$ with the contract.
And put in UMTS!

else i'll have to buy any other cheap phone with UMTS and if i wish real internet i'll hook ip my MacBook via Bluetooth and enjoy some real highspeed Internet!


P.S. How is the price compared to other "Smartphones" available in the U.S.?
 
BobMcBob said:
Jobs didn't say "It runs Mac software" because
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Very well said! :)

I would also add that this is Apple's way back into the PDA market, albeit limited, but they are testing the waters. With Flash memory prices plummeting, it won't be long until future versions of the iPhone have more memory and hence more capability.

On a side note, the introduction of the iPhone reminds me of when the iPod was introduced. So many of my friends, both Windows and Mac users, who said that it was too expensive, nobody needed an HD based mp3 player, etc. Now look at the iPod today.

The iPhone will evolve as well. Can't wait to see it introduced here in Japan, which it looks like will be in 2008. :)
 
BobMcBob said:
Jobs didn't say "It runs Mac software" because he doesn't want to scare non-Mac people away. He didn't use the word "Mac" for a reason. Non-Mac people get very nervous if you tell them they will have to use a Mac. Most of the world doesn't use a Mac, but anyone is a potential customer for the iPhone, just like the iPod market. Instead, they are emphasizing the main focus, the main reason to buy the thing: it's an iPod and a phone, and it will work that way no matter what PC you have. You don't need any other reason to buy it. If it runs Mac software or 3rd party apps, that's a plus. Instead, he said:

"It runs OS X" (with a huge Mac OS X logo! filling the screen)
"It uses Cocoa, Core Animation, etc."
"It has widgets"
"It runs desktop quality apps"

These were code-words to the loyal followers. We know what they mean. Windows users don't, and that's okay. Don't you get it? Jobs would not have used the term Widgets if it wasn't going to run Mac Widgets. That would be silly. And, Jobs wouldn't have mentioned Cocoa if developers couldn't use it. Cocoa and Core Animation are developer technologies. If developers couldn't use it, he would have just talked about the great features the iPhone has and left it at that. For iPods, you never heard him talk about the development features. We don't know how they develop iPod software, because it doesn't matter.

This tells me, it will run Mac software, and developers will be able to use Cocoa and Core Animation, and everything else they already use on OS X to develop new software. Maybe there will be additional APIs, or settings in Interface Builder. But, it won't be a completely different API, it will be Cocoa, that's what he said.

As was mentioned, developers have been told to get ready for "Resolution Independence" in Leopard for coming "high resolution displays". Gee, what new displays do we have that are high res? Only the iPhone. It's 160dpi.

Maybe it will be some time before developers can write software for it so that Apple can fully control the direction and future of the device before they have to worry about breaking 3rd party software - I don't know. But, it will happen. We have (select) 3rd parties developing games for iPod now. Some day, it will probably be for any developer. But, the iPhone will probably allow 3rd party software early on.

The cool part is, after millions of people buy the iPhone, then Apple can inform them that they already own a Mac and can run Mac software. They are Mac users! All of the sudden the Mac doesn't seem so scary and weird. Now they can switch painlessly. And, if they really need to run Windows, their Intel Mac can do that too. No worries.
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I endorse this post.

Rocketman
 
sushi said:
Very well said! :)
The iPhone will evolve as well. Can't wait to see it introduced here in Japan, which it looks like will be in 2008. :)
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Do you think they can be successful in the asian market? I always have the feeling that the mobilephone market in Asia is at least 5 years ahead. Is it possible that people there would buy a phone without 3G?
 
Fab_Fab said:
Do you think they can be successful in the asian market? I always have the feeling that the mobilephone market in Asia is at least 5 years ahead. Is it possible that people there would buy a phone without 3G?
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In a word, yes.

There is a large foreign market in Japan that do not use Kanji/Hiragana/Katagana but rather Romanji (English) characters. So the user interface for inputing text will be a welcome change.

The added features will be welcomed as well.

IMHO, 3G is not all that necessary. Anyhow, by 2008 when the iPhone is projected to be released it may be 3G so it may be a moot point.

Edit: Besides the foreign market, the Japanese market will enjoy a much more robust entry method. The current input method used by most cell phones here is tedious to use. Having a customizable screen will be wonderful! :)
 
EagerDragon said:
Since it is OSX, I wonder if I can sync a BT keyboard to it (not that I want to).
Just wondering.

The iPhone will really rock when they get the 100 Gig HDD version, plenty of space for video on the road and an idight camera on the front so you can do video chat.
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Wow, I hadn't thought about using a BT keyboard, but of course you will. It's OS X with bluetooth. You will also be able to use a BT mouse = Full blown OS X, on a tiny 160dpi display.

Now, I wonder if you can use wifi to Apple-TV from the iPhone to interact with a giant display.

Imagine, just bring home your iPhone in your pocket; sit down on your couch, turn on your widescreen 1080p HDTV; the Apple-TV senses your iPhone and displays it's output. At the same time, your keyboard and mouse that are sitting on your coffee table pair with the iPhone and you can go to work using your Mac.
 
Cell networks and hardware

Cell networks and hardware in other countries tend to be more advanced for several reasons:

- Fewer regulatory barriers
- Smaller and less diverse geography
- More concentrated target markets
- Less legacy installs.

As such hardware is localized to the market. Many Asian markets therefore have 3G and 4G and 4.5G networks. Phone hardware to match. Lower incomes also command lower price points thus longer payoff periods for the handset and network owners.

In the USA we have

- Far more harsh regulations
- Much larger and more diverse geography
- Far less concentrated markets (rural example)
- Massive legacy installs

The #1 way to get 5G tomorrow in the USA is to deregulate it (FCC). Not going to happen.

So with the reality we live with, the only non-regulated communication method is internet. Therefore Wimax is our salvation, not 5G, sad as that might be.

Good news is we have higher prices and customer incomes and lower political overhead on investable assets, so our payoff periods are short and prices shift to commodity faster here.

Lookie! Cell phones in Wal-Mart for about $20 bucks!

Rocketman
 
Whether Apple wants to or not, this baby's going to 'squirt' (man, Microsofts marketing people must be smoking something really strange) in very short order.

Think about it, with 3rd party apps, it's not just the VOIP thing, instead think thepiratebay via WiFi.

Carriers is one thing, but I'm going to be very interested to see how **AA are going to handle this little bundle of joy :D
 
sushi said:
In a word, yes.

There is a large foreign market in Japan that do not use Kanji/Hiragana/Katagana but rather Romanji (English) characters. So the user interface for inputing text will be a welcome change.

The added features will be welcomed as well.

IMHO, 3G is not all that necessary. Anyhow, by 2008 when the iPhone is projected to be released it may be 3G so it may be a moot point.
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Right. I've seen japanese Thinkpads with lots of Kanas on every key... must be a pain in the ass to use a regular keyboard to write in japanese. There should be ways to make an intelligent touchscreen system for japanese characters. I can imagine using the thumb of one hand for the vowel part of a sign (a o u e i), and the rest of the virtual keyboard for the consonant part. I guess you wouldn't have to use the thumb for every character as some words are obvious. Example: "K N CH W" is likely to be "konichiwa", so the vowel buttons would be optional. Of course, drawing the Kanji characters for names (3" on the screen should be plenty) would be kinda cool. :D

Sometimes I feel like computer designers forget that there are other languages than english. Languages with special characters can be a real pain to type. French keyboards (AZERTY) use the top row where the numbers are for the special chars. To type a number, you need shift. That's where touchscreens (or thiings like the optimus keyboard) can really score.

I like how the asian contact's names are displayed in asian characters on my iPod.
 
unlock

I can tell you why you arent going to see the iphone unlocked for a while. its because cingular had to bend of backwards to completly re-vamp there voice mail box system in order to make it posible to use the visual mailbox feature that apple wanted. no other network has this kind of system, therefor, if the phone were unlocked, this message feature would be completly usless if you dident use the phone on cingular.

but as soon as this baby is out, im buying it. it looks amazing, end of story.
 
Possible answer to the lack of memory?

From MSNBC article:

SanDisk Corporation has introduced a 32GB, 1.8-inch solid-state drive (SSD) which is built to be a drop-in replacement for standard mechanical hard disk drives. This means the device has no moving parts.

In addition to being reliable, these drives are fast. SanDisk claims a sustained read rate of 62 megabytes per second and a random read rate of 7,000 inputs/outputs per second.
 

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cingular?!?

Oh come on! It's only available to Cingular customers?!?! What is Apple thinking???
A) I'm not going to switch phone carriers AGAIN,
B) Why aren't they at least including Verizon?!... the biggest network AND the highest rated network by Consumer Reports...

SUCH a short-sighted and unappealing move by Apple!

I would have bought one of these in a heartbeat, but not now with the pain of being forced to one cell phone company...

:(
 
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