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- Can't download songs directly from iTunes Store
- Can't sync iPhone with a computer wirelessly.
- "Web speed was OK—not great, but OK."
These things are ok. Direct iTunes connection is just a matter of time, Syncing wirelessly will come, too, not that it is a wonderful as it sounds since you need to charge the thing with a wire anyway. Web speed will improve as the underlying technologies and network do.

According to Engadget, the iPhone is not open to 3rd party development at this time. Only Apple is providing (built-in) applications for the device.
THIS is the one that has me worried. Despite what Steve says, this thing *is* just another phone if the platform isn't open. As Job's pointed out, what made the Mac so revolutionary was the flexibility of its UI--the combo of the pixel screen with a pointing device. But if only Apple is allowed to put that UI to use, its flexibility will be shackled.

I mean, compare an iPhone to the iPod and cell phone I already have in my pocket. What can it really do?
* Saves me a little bit of pocket space--> 1 device instead of 2
* Bigger screen for viewing video and choosing songs.
* Easier to use UI.
* I can browse the internet and read/send e-mail away from my laptop/desktop.

These are evolutionary improvements: smaller, bigger, easier, doing the same things but in different places.

The revolutionary aspect of this product is most likely in the brain of some designer or developer no where near Cuppertino. The only way it is going to make it on to the iPhone is if Apple opens up development to 3rd parties.

Now, Apple will most likely have a successful product without 3rd party development because they aren't so shabby at developing apps, but it won't be a revolution.
 
I think the phone is absolutely gorgeous. If the phone handles half as well as Steve wants us to believe it might even be the next big thing. Even the price of the phone itself seems to be reasonable, given the technology behind it. However, the dealbreaker could still be the 2 year contract that comes with the phone. First, the monthly fee migth be prohibitive. Second, as others have already pointed out, 2 years are a mighty long time (especially for gadget geeks).

I agree, but it is becoming very common to have 1 - 2 year contracts with cell phone companies, which is what it is. I personally do not have a problem with it, unless the phone is locked to only that provider. I travel the world, and am provided SIM cards for different areas I visit. If I don't have the ability to just plug them into my phone, then I am stuck. I do hope that the iPhone will not be locked. I have a hard time justifying to myself spending $600 for a phone that is limited to a single provider. It is like leasing a phone. Not a problem if you don't need to use different SIMs, or if that provider is the best/only one around. If not, then I guess I will wait to see what kind of iPhone is released in Europe/Asia.

Kimo
 
The Nokia N91 has one and has been engineered to handle the risk you describe - it works just fine.

Hard drives do hit the battery harder than solid-state storage and as you mentioned the prices have come down and their capacity have increased.

I meant to say 'see it in an Iphone," since I knew about the Nokia as well as a samsung phone which have a HDD. This is a niche product and shock risk it still there. Even Apple will tell you that the HDD ipod have a higher failure rate then the solidstate ones. I know this since I deal with the all the HDD manufactures. They are unclear whether the 1"+ drives will continue to have a life.
 
maybe its hard to type because DAVID POGUES FAT ASS LITTLE PIGGY FINGERS CAN"T HIT THE BUTTONS!?

reminds me of the simpsons "Your fingers are too fat to dial, please hang up now." "D'OH!"

i dont see why people are ALREADY criticizing the iPhone, which is still unreleased. lets let the people decide in june.

christ
 
other potential issues with the iPhone

I'm really excited about the iPhone, but there are a few issues that I think may need to be addressed with it...

- It doesn't look like it has a user changeable battery. I will never buy a phone that I can't have a spare battery for.

- How can you protect the front panel yet still be able to operate it?

- Most phones can be operated and held using one hand. This doesn't look too viable with iPhone.


Direct iTunes connection would be nice, but with only 8gb, it's pretty clear that you will want your 'master' to be your Mac (or PC).

I seem to recall a mention in the demo of syncing the phone. You can sync most phones via bluetooth now. If it doesn't work NOW on the iPhone, I'm sure it will by JUNE.

You're not going to see incredible web speeds on a cell phone. The cell networks aren't fast enough. And they aren't very efficient at utilizing their bandwidth.
 
hate to tell you this, but its already been done. HDD have been put into cell phones!!
http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/10/17/HNsamsungcellphone_1.html

The first being Samsung SPH-V5400.

Just what I want in a phone is a hard drive spinning, eating the battery. HD's are bad ideas for devices that cannot dedicate the greater part of their weight to a battery, or have to power more than just a hard drive and a music decoder. A HD Based iPod has good battery luife because it doesn't do too complicated of things. A Phone has to have power to the cellular circuitry always on, has to power a processor to run the OS, has ti have wireless interfaces powered up, adding a hard drive to that mix would do nothing more than shorten battery life.

- Most phones can be operated and held using one hand. This doesn't look too viable with iPhone.

Why not, you palm it and press buttons with your thumb, am I missing some crucial opposable thumb gauche? You operate an iPod with one hand, I mean, unless you have prohibitively small hands, it shouldn't be a problem.
 
So that black thing at the bottom and back of the iphone, is that the battery, or antenna. Does anyone know if the battery can be removed?
 
Just wait until some future model incorportates a mini projector. That technology is happening now and will likely lead to some interesting things.

They are being sly when they talk about being happy getting 1% of the market.

I do wish it was cheaper because I will have to buy two, one for me and one for the wife. Double expensive is real expensive.

Being so expensive means I would likely wait until at least the 2nd revision comes out. This is a tool, it costs more than any of my power tools, and it has to be right for me the first time.
 
View from another perspective

One of the disadvantages of being tech people is that we sometimes expect waaaaaaaaay too much from these devices. I do tech support, and I have already heard from two non-tech people about the iPhone. They absolutely love it and can't wait to get one. These are the people that are being targeted.

I have to say that I can't believe that the iPhone will not be open to developers. I agree with the post that says it is waiting for FCC approval. As tech people we can either a) write our own apps or b) request that someone else do it. Just don't expect it to be free.

On the GPS issue - how is it identfying where you are in the Google maps widget? If it is simply using triangulation based on the cell towers, then how is that operationally different from GPS? Besides, I thought most phones made today had GPS in them for emergency purposes anyway. Maybe I am wrong.

On the lack of wireless syncing - I'm sure that the same people want wireless syncing for their iPods as well. I say invent it, then, and watch it not sell becaue the data transfer is too slow. If you look at the iPhone page, after the overview, the primary function they promote is...iPod. I know Steve referred to calling as the killer app, but that hasn't changed the fact that they are emphasizing its iPod heritage first and foremost. As such it will behave as iPods do and need to do because a wired dock is much faster.

Consider this: the iPod ecosystem is out there waiting to be exploited. The iPhone has a dock connector. Does this mean I'll be able to hook it up to my car and hear the call through the speakers? Will it be able to output video through that dock connector? These are more interesting, TO ME, than some other complaints, but I won't condemn the product based on incomplete information.
 
To all those complaining about the iPhone please be aware that Steve said that an advantage of not having a digital keyboard was that they are able to make changes to the UI down the road via software update. If they can do this I'm certain they can give us other apps such as iChat and give us video conferencing. I think we should all keep in mind in addition to the fact the product will be out in 6 months. Too many whinny people :p
 
This kind of sums up my thoughts after reading David Pogues article:

- Stylus
Would have been nice to have a stylus.
With apples ink well character recognition system, it would have been cool for jotting down quick notes.

Also it would have been good to use for us artist (or non-artist) that like to doodle. (fun for the family) This is, after all, like a mini-computer...Stylus could have been hidden well with the design, and easily detachable.

Steve, good job on the iphone.

Again, nice concept, but nothing is infallible.

Peace

dAlen

I bet third parties are going to sell an accessory resembling a thimble for fat fingered folks to poke their iPhone with and also use third party apps which are more drawing oriented. Like Easydraw for iPhone or whatever.

Rocketman
 
Not for most smartphone users...

Wireless syncing would be useful only if there was also wireless re-charging. If you have to plug it in to charge, not having to plug it to sync doesn't get you much.

I use my charger once every two days. I sync as many as four times a day. I have not connected my Treo to my PBook with a wire in over a year. Bluetooth for everything but movies and music would be fine. The throughout will need to increase for big files.
 
I love how everyone is taking this "no third party apps" thing as gospel truth.

ATTENTION ALL MACRUMORS DENIZENS! Who have we heard this "no third party" thing from? Engadget, whose source is "noted analyst Michael Gartenburg." Who the **** is that? Is he from Apple? How did he learn this? Did he talk to anyone at Apple, did he use ESP, or did he use his "analyst powers" (AKA made some **** up)?

We really have NO IDEA if this phone will allow for third party apps or not. Maybe you won't be able to install anything made by Joe Q. Public, maybe apps will be approved by Apple and sold on the iTunes Store. Maybe you WILL be able to roll your own. Maybe you won't, and it will be Apple software only. But until we hear from Apple themselves about this, I think it makes more sense to be cautiously optimistic instead of immediately deciding the sky is falling.
 
On the GPS issue - how is it identfying where you are in the Google maps widget? If it is simply using triangulation based on the cell towers, then how is that operationally different from GPS? Besides, I thought most phones made today had GPS in them for emergency purposes anyway. Maybe I am wrong.

The emergency services i.e. phone locator in cell phones is based on cell technology, not GPS. GPS is satalite dependent, and this is no satalite phone. You are right about triangulation(or whatever method cell companies use), but I am not sure what the accuracy is of the triangulation. The Google map example used preset locations, so he was not being located by his phone id.
 
I would hope the phone is 3g as well, however Palm's newest Treo, the Treo 680 only through cingular is only operating on the EDGE network.

2.5G (EDGE) - Cheaper and eaiser to expand
3G - More expensive, but 5-15x faster than EDGE

Therefore, I'd expect Apple to make the iPhone operate on the 3G network before release, or expect an updated iPhone running on that network.
 
Ugh, isn't it obvious? We're not talking about a phone here, and it's not dead on arrival - this is a tablet PC.

The bloody thing plays HD movies! Did you see how fast cover flow was? Can you say multi-tasking?

You all realise that the processor in this thing is going to be 800Mhz+ right? And it's got to have at least 256mb of ram.

The Nokia N70 has 8mb of RAM...

This is a tablet PC, and that's why it's ~$1000 unlocked, $1999 locked inc. contract fees every month over 2 years.

If this is supposed to be a phone, it's literally the most expensive mainstream phone in history.

But it's not, it's a tablet PC, and I guess that's why Apple are charging (subsidised with contract) the same cost as a MacBook for it.

It might help some readers to view iPhone as this:

Apple Tablet Nano (with no compromises whatsoever)

This radical thing has some features some have disregarded:

- Full access to net storage via 802.11g (soon to be n)
- Future access to net storage and internet via 802.16 wimax
- Multi-tasking, HD resolution, multi-homing
- Full desktop app capacity with a low overhead OS (not quite full swiss army knife, but minimal compromises)

I do have some feature requests for Apple to consider:

- Have an option to record 24fps video at the full resolution of the 2mp image capture
- 802.11n as soon as available of course
- A battery dongle, perhaps Shuffle style :)
- Wimax as soon as installable, and let users decide if they have access locally. BTW tell Sprint to hurry up with wimax :)
- Have the dock make it easy to:
-- have an external monitor
-- have extended wireless range
-- have a few traditional ports

Good job Apple, and I do mean the entire set of engineering teams working on this for years.

Rocketman
 
must fix before June

I don't have small fingertips, and I recall my Treo actually being pretty easy to type with from day one.
It would seem that a reputable tech-columnist using the word "difficult" signals a major problem that must be fixed prior to June.
I trust Apple's design prowess, but the #1 thing all my friends asked first when I told them about the iPhone... "Wouldn't a touch-screen be too difficult to type with?"

I think they could always enable wireless synching later on -- maybe just for phone/contacts/calendar. 8GB of music over Bluetooth would take forever!!

Difficult to type doesn't sound promising. I suppose I could say the same of my Treo.
 
Thank you. The iPhone is a revolutionary piece of technology, just look at Apple stock. But the big story yesterday, is multi-touch.
Dude! Thank *you!* You got it! I'm astonished at all the complaints I'm seeing. "It hasn't got this! It hasn't got that!" or "It can't do this! It can't do that! Why can't it do this/that???"

Did you guys miss the two most important aspects of this "phone"?

1) Multi-touch
2) Multi-touch

The first aspect of the "multi-touch" is that it allows Apple to add and change things. So, gosh, no it doesn't have games, or more widgets, or whatever else of that sort you want...but it COULD have that. In fact, the ideal of this phone is one of the best things that Apple Software offers--the ability to customize.

It's not there yet. But because it has no actual buttons, because it relies entirely on what you see on the screen, it can turn itself into almost anything YOU want. Add buttons, subtract buttons, change the way things are done. And you don't have to buy a new phone every time there's a change. And these changes can happen fast. Radically if need be. THIS is what is "revolutionary." Not what it has or doesn't have, but that it can be modified and changed and molded into what YOU want it to be.

The second aspect is exactly what MonkeyClaw pointed out. Did I miss something here? Are you all so deeply into the latest tech that you can just sit back and yawn and jadedly say, "Oh, yeah, multi-touch. Been there, seen that...."

:eek: My jaw dropped when I saw how scolling works on the iPhone! I'll admit I'm not on the inside of cutting edge tech or software, but I've NEVER seen anything like that. The pinching, the scrolling....it's going to change everything!

Apple has to do several things:
1) Keep the device at a good size and a good weight--not too heavy, not too cumbersome.
2) Put in all the tech that works the multi-touch technology (screen, sensors, etc.), along with all the tech for music, videos, internet...and, oh, yeah, the phone, too.
3) Make it "affordable"--that is, not so outrageously out of reach cost-wise that they can't get anyone to buy it, yet enough that it will pay for everything they've stuffed in it and make them a profit (there are stockholders to answer to, after all).
4) Have it do enough to satisfy most customers--that is, the usual needs of customers likely to use the phone.

In other words, I'm sorry, guys, but you can't have everything you want because everything would make it larger or weigh a ton or cost twice as much or be useless because most people don't need that sort of thing and it would just take up valuable space. I'm astonished by how much this thing already has and can do within a nice, reasonably-sized, and reasonably priced package. And if that doesn't satisfy you--go back to my first point: it can CHANGE. It allows for lots and lots of change. Other such devices don't.

You can even see the future that they're aiming for. And given the transformation of the iPod over six years, I can see exactly where this is going to go as well: price drop within the first year by $100, and I'll bet they double the battery life and Gig as well. Video conferencing--not far off. It's going to happen. As for the name, of course they have to call it iPhone. Call it something else and most folk won't know what it is or why they should buy it. When the price comes down, they'll buy it as a "phone" but the definition of what a phone is and what a phone can be has already changed. It's changing now. This is the future. It is what "phones" will be.

You're living in a future that others only dreamed about. Can't you be a little excited and happy about it?
 
To all those complaining about the iPhone please be aware that Steve said that an advantage of not having a digital keyboard was that they are able to make changes to the UI down the road via software update. If they can do this I'm certain they can give us other apps such as iChat and give us video conferencing. I think we should all keep in mind in addition to the fact the product will be out in 6 months. Too many whinny people :p


Exactly, but people get all caugth up and forget to step back a second and look around.

BTW, how would video conf work with the camera on the opposite side of the display. You will spend lots of time flipping the phone back and forth. Cameras in phones are a novelity item, they are cute to have when your friends makes a foul of themselve you can capture it and quickly send it off to your friends to humilate them for life. Having a camera phone is like hving those old 110 instamatic camera from kodak, point, shoot and get a crappy picture.

But then again most poeple will spend money on things that are less than quality.
 
Indeed, I thought .mac integration would be THE highlight.

It’s shocking to me that you would think .Mac integration would be THE highlight! Maybe I’m missing something, but, assuming it was possible, why would Apple make that of primary importance since only a very small proportion of their target market for the phone uses .Mac? It would seem to me that THE highlight is a consolidation of functionality of several devices and greatly enhanced usability. Do you really believe that .Mac functionality would appeal to more people and get more people to pay up when it comes time than these factors?

I can only explain your thinking to myself by imagining that you personally use .Mac frequently and intensively. Delusional as it may be you started to think that the iPhone, which is revolutionary, as is, would be developed and released without regard for economics and marketing, it’s singular emphasis being to utilize something that you have utilized before and found to be important.
 
The GPS thingie isn't actually a GPS chip. I believe the company is wirehook or hookwire and they make some chips that does triangulation or something. It's within the vicinity or something. I actually don't think it uses triangulation but probably bases something on strength of signal, distance from tower, i'm guessing now, but yeh that is way cool... think similar to the Disney phone were your momma can track you. Man this is going to set the dating world on fire. I type in specs for women I'm looking for and they also have the specs in their iphone and if I'm at a bar or club or wherever if say the iphone registers a 80% or more match strength it can signal me and her and we can actually find each other.
 
I second that emotion

I love how everyone is taking this "no third party apps" thing as gospel truth.

ATTENTION ALL MACRUMORS DENIZENS! Who have we heard this "no third party" thing from? Engadget, whose source is "noted analyst Michael Gartenburg." Who the **** is that? Is he from Apple? How did he learn this? Did he talk to anyone at Apple, did he use ESP, or did he use his "analyst powers" (AKA made some **** up)?

We really have NO IDEA if this phone will allow for third party apps or not. ...

Excellent point! I meant to say the same thing in my previous post. The Macrumors posting puts Engadget on the same footing as Time and David Pogue. I don't think so...

The emergency services i.e. phone locator in cell phones is based on cell technology, not GPS. GPS is [satellite] dependent, and this is no [satellite] phone. You are right about triangulation(or whatever method cell companies use), but I am not sure what the accuracy is of the triangulation. The Google map example used preset locations, so he was not being located by his phone id.

OK, I thought I saw something where the widget knew where you were. I know full well how GPS works, and GPS receiving technology is getting cheaper all the time. It just seems to me that the accuracy of an emergency cell locator SHOULD be high. If they are using triangulation based on cell towers, then it is not operationally different than GPS, so who cares if it has actual GPS? It all comes down to accuracy of the clocks. Now, it's just a matter of whether or not programmers will be able to access an API that exposes those functions.
 
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