Just to be clear... The iMac Pro display is glossy. Apple’s XDR display is not.
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Hands-On With Apple's $4999 Pro Display XDR and $999 Stand
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Just to be clear... The iMac Pro display is glossy. Apple’s XDR display is not.
My guess would be yes. Because, most of the folks buying this will be replacing an already VESA mounted screens.
They SAY the XDR display has an anti-reflective coating, just like the iMac has an anti-reflective coating. However, I think the XDR’s will be better. With the screen off, both are big panes of shiny glass, though. I’ll have to drop by the Apple store because now I’m curious.
A used to work part time for a Baltimore station that bought a (as in one) 24" Sony Trimaster EL ... HD reference monitor. OLED. Looks amazing. STUNNING. Very accurate.
$14,500
The difference between it and all the other panels we have is night and day ... but that price!
Most of the price is wrapped up in the tech behind the panel (ports, networking, connectivity, color accuracy, software for scopes/meters/etc.) but a good chunk of the price is paying back the R&D/ROI Sony/Canon/Ikegami/etc. need to recoup costs.
People tend not to agree with me, but at best a house may need one or two monitors of that quality. Many will get something halfway as good ... maybe a handful ... ten.
But a 24/7 news shop will buy 40x-50x 40"-55" 4k TVs (at least one for every office.)
Master control will have 8-10 75" TVs for multiview, and maybe another 20 17"-24" TVs or monitors for various sorts of jobs.
And that's a mid market, local station. NBC in New York and Fox in DC have about four master control suites each and hundreds of offices.
Not sure what you mean by "main solo screen". Is it something like a client monitor or really your main edit workspace?
If main edit workspace, how far away are you sitting from an 82" display? (I assume you mean the Q80R) If close, you'll see pixels, and maybe have neck problems after a few days of constant editing. If far away the user interface will be a bear to discern (editing close waveforms, moving effect keyframes, adjusting masks).
The TV has a 4K UHD resolution. If you are working with higher resolution files like coming from an Alexa 65 or RED on the high end or Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema 6K on the low end, then you won't be able to view footage in native resolution before it gets crunched down to 4K. Not terrible, but harder to check if they got focus right without having to change viewing resolution back and forth.
If you hope to do "actual" HDR work (as opposed to putting SDR into an HDR wrapper - like some mickey mouse operations are doing - while the 10% cd/m2 rating looks good at 1074 the 100% (sustained) is 620 compared to the XDR of 1600/1000.
The Q80R only supports 91% of P3 and no Dolby Vision, but it does support HDR10+ and HLG. The P3 spec is a bit disappointing but for me the lack of Dolby Vision isn't a deal breaker. I would make sure to evaluate how well the local dimming works. I think they have 480 zones vs. 576 on the XDR. But the XDR has more pixels so you really can't use that spec for much.
A sound bar I would only use as last mile check (like Auratones for you old-timers) and instead get decent near field monitors so you can really hear what is going on.
I would argue that tech fanatics would know the TECH enough to understand why Apple is charging so little for such an amazing display ... the stand ... I can take it or leave it. But that monitor is SPOT ON.
The MacPro is too by the way. Some people just can't stand not having the latest and greatest, or the biggest and the best.
The vast majority of us know that if we NEED it we'll get it. Or if we WANT it we'll save up or rob a bank to get it.
You're conflating a lot of different things here.
1.) Apple is satisfying its user base and growing it at the same time.
2.) No one is rolling over and accepting anything. We can always NOT buy the display and buy one that is better spec'd for us. I've been using a 32" Dell Ultrasharp because I don't do color critical work. The past few months I've picked up jobs where I need to be color critical, and the monitors I was looking at buying were WAY more expensive than the XDR ... by at least 3x and weren't 6K or Thunderbolt enabled.
3.) What's not good enough? The tech or the prices? Either way, I'd have to disagree. Maybe the MacPro CPUs aren't (I keep hearing about this .... RYZEN guy) but Apple is locked into Intel, so ...
4.) Why 30 years? I ask because I've been using them for a lot less time and even switched back to Windows but now the company is really making some tech that I can say is on par or in some cases better than Windows alternatives (depending on use)
Given that Apple actually made the 16" MBP thicker, bigger, heavier, and backtracked a lot of tech decisions is like Hell freezing over.
I'm just trying to understand what the problem is. Next thing we'll see them offer a stylus in the iPhone 12X Pro+
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yes. Definitely a monitor for video games...
That's what I wanted to check out in the local Apple store in order to compare both monitors to the iMacPro. No monitors not possible no buy.
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Can you please take some photos?
From Apple support doc:
Set up and use Apple Pro Display XDR - Apple Support
Learn about Pro Display XDR and how to set up and use it with your Mac.
Pro Display XDR uses a new True Tone technology with dual ambient light sensors to monitor the lighting around your display. For the best experience using Pro Display XDR, place it in a location where a lamp or other light source won't be directly in front of or behind it. Or, turn off True Tone in System Preferences > Displays.
True Tone is on by default. You have to turn it off. But sure, baseless.
Many ( I would say most) of the complainers here just aren’t understanding the product.
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A display could serve multiple purposes, at different times.From Apple support doc:
Choose a location for your displaySet up and use Apple Pro Display XDR - Apple Support
Learn about Pro Display XDR and how to set up and use it with your Mac.support.apple.com
Pro Display XDR uses a new True Tone technology with dual ambient light sensors to monitor the lighting around your display. For the best experience using Pro Display XDR, place it in a location where a lamp or other light source won't be directly in front of or behind it. Or, turn off True Tone in System Preferences > Displays.
True Tone is on by default. You have to turn it off. But sure, baseless.
but is cool to bash Apple, right ?
Not sure why you're comparing the needs of a live production facility to the needs of a post production house. They're apples and oranges.
So, I assumed that some of the unboxings would include shots of the screen and I grabbed this from iJustine (Around 4:50)
You can see that, at this viewing angle, it’s quite reflective. And, this is the matte option. Of course, this is not how you’ll be working with the screen though, so if they have one in my Apple store, I plan to sit in front of it then hold my phone up next to my face with the light on and pointed towards the screen.
But I thought my claim was baseless. You were just wrong. Bashing Apple? Nonsense. Pointing out the XDR ships in an inaccurate color config is not bashing. It's fact. Considering all the emphasis placed on the XDR's accuracy, seems ironic the professional monitor ships in that state. It doesn't make sense. Kind of like your claims of baselessness and bashing.
But they're both small fruits.
Naw seriously though, they're more similar than they're not. I'd be happy to break down the needs and similarities of a live broadcast facility and a post production house in another thread.
The first quick nugget would be: they both work with all flavors and aspects of video.
As for the XDR, both facilities would need a reference monitor. Live Productions often need DIT carts, Live Broadcasts need to remain within tolerance (and news does it's own post-production: color accuracy isn't as tight however) and Post houses certainly need to remain color accurate depending on where they will exhibit the project.
When the display is on it'll be a lot less reflective. Even the best matte displays reflect some light
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Looks gorgeous. Love the stand. It would be hilarious to buy one of these and buy a junky, cheap stand.
If Mac Pro Wheels cost $400, then this stand that pivots so nicely might as well be $1000.
Chances are you're right as there are always knockoffs produced from original Apple products, but I would never trust any $250 knockoff supporting my $5000 Pro monitor only to walk away and come back to a monitor that has fallen on the floor.
Thank you, MiG007! Learned a lot out of your posting.
The latter. Respectively: both—edit workspace as well as demonstration screen for a small audience (5-7 people).
The exact type number is QE82Q60RAT (here in Europe). It's about €2800 incl. SoundBar (that one with the highest specs).
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I have it for one week now and viewed some 4K30 drone footage (Mavic 2 Pro 1" Hasselblad 422 colorgraded) via my late 2016 MBP (needs to be replaced) and it looks just great! Really impressive for "just" a tv set.
I am very flexible with the distance (standing/sitting) and can change it any time. The audience will have seats in a distance of seven meters.
No. 4K60p is the choice here for the next five years or so.
I am just calculating if I can spare some money (no expensive "separate" Apple display) and put more power instead into the MP. (Still not sure if MBP 16" or MP.)
The latter. Respectively: both—edit workspace as well as demonstration screen for a small audience (5-7 people).
The exact type number is QE82Q60RAT (here in Europe). It's about €2800 incl. SoundBar (that one with the highest specs).
Manual (German)
English
I have it for one week now and viewed some 4K30 drone footage (Mavic 2 Pro 1" Hasselblad 422 colorgraded) via my late 2016 MBP (needs to be replaced) and it looks just great! Really impressive for "just" a tv set.
I am very flexible with the distance (standing/sitting) and can change it any time. The audience will have seats in a distance of seven meters.
No. 4K60p is the choice here for the next five years or so.
Deleted some interesting things. Read that, folks, if you are in the same situation.
I am just calculating if I can spare some money (no expensive "separate" Apple display) and put more power instead into the MP. (Still not sure if MBP 16" or MP.)
Real professionals use VESA mounts which Apple cunningly didn't put standard forcing an extra $200US gouge for an adapter. The stand costing $1000 is purely to milk money from the "poser pros". Those that have no genuine requirement for such devices, but will buy them regardless to appear professional. The same folk who didn't need to get an iMac pro or even an iPad Pro, but did to keep up appearances.
