Hands-On With Samsung's New Galaxy Note 9 and Galaxy Watch

[DotCom2]

Is there any other smartphone that is as secure and private as the iPhone?
If so, let me know.
Otherwise, I am sticking with Apple despite what any other smartphone "Looks Like".

 

[mattyj2001]

its Android, right? No way...

It used to be that you sold a little bit of your soul to advertisers to get a cheaper (Android) phone. But now that Samsung's phone is keeping pace with Apple's pricing, I'm not sure what the draw is.

Standing up Samsung's hardware + Android against Apple + iOS, there's a clear winner there, even without considering each company's privacy and personal data policies.

 

[Shanghaichica]

A 2D scan of the Iris, yes. It, basically, uses the selfie camera to take a 2D snapshot of your irises. This can be tricked more easily than a full 3D facial map.

I’m not saying it’s not secure enough. Personally, I would use it and not worry about it. But it’s not better than Face ID, sorry.

As I said, this is common knowledge and not some unicorn magic, It is very likely Samsung will switch to 3D mapping at one point, but not this year - probably due to cost and performance requirements.

Doesn’t it use infrared technology?

It’s not simply a camera taking a picture of your eyes.

I’m not saying it’s more secure than Face ID but there is a bit more to it.

 

[aevan]

I just love how people get emotional about their favorite companies - hey, I’m not immune to it either.

However, I do try to be positive about honest, personal opinions. For example: say you like Android more, or that you think Galaxy phones look nicer, and I really have nothing to say about that.

It is when people try to present subjective views as objective truth, when they spread false information or, you know, just misinterpret things, that I react. Surely I’m biased, but I try to be as objective as I can.

If you like Samsung, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Really. And it’s certainly a great device. Just don’t bend the laws of physics or logic to “prove” it’s better than an iPhone in any other way than a matter of taste or subjective standards.

An Iris scanner is not as good as 3D mapping of the face. It’s fine. Your favorite phone doesn’t have to be best at everything for you to enjoy it.
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Doesn’t it use infrared technology?

An infrared camera is still just a 2D camera, just the one that uses infrared projected light instead of just regular light. No mystery there.

It has to be a good camera to capture all the fibers of an Iris, for sure. I’m not saying it sucks or anything. But it can be tricked more easily than Face ID.

 

[sidewinder3000]

The pen on the Note has always been intriguing, and the ability to use it as a remote control is very clever. And I think the rotating bezel sounds like an interesting interface option (though it’s also pretty limiting in terms of physical design). But as far as any of these products, alone or together, being enough to entice me away from Apple’s ecosystem? That would be a “no”.

 

[ROGmaster]

A 2D scan of the Iris, yes. It, basically, uses the selfie camera to take a 2D snapshot of your irises. This can be tricked more easily than a full 3D facial map.

LoL a 2D snapshot of ones irises? The iris scanner uses ir led and an iris camera to scan and build a map of someones very very uniquer irises, it's not just a 2D selfiecam snapshot, far from it(then again you were convinced that the iris scanner can't be used for mobile payments). So are tremendously uninformed.

I’m not saying it’s not secure enough. Personally, I would use it and not worry about it. But it’s not better than Face ID, sorry.

I'm saying that "every individual carries a unique and sophisticated pattern on their iris. This design is different between every human being and even identical twins have dissimilar irises". 3D mapping has specific vulnerabilities that don't exist with the iris scanner.

As I said, this is common knowledge and not some unicorn magic, I’m certain Samsung will switch to 3D mapping at one point, but not this year.

LoL common knowledge what?
The Galaxy S10 is rumored to have an ultrasonic under the display fingerprint scanner that works as reliable as current fingerprint scanners and can be triggered without turning the phone on.
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An infrared camera is still just a 2D camera, just the one that uses infrared projected light instead of just regular light. No mystery there.

It has to be a good camera to capture all the fibers of an Iris, for sure. I’m not saying it sucks or anything. But it can be tricked more easily than Face ID.

No it can't. There is no current proof for your claim.

 

[sidewinder3000]

Absolutely premium and gorgeous devices. If there's ever a device that can command a premium price, it's the Note 9. Without question. Wow.
And Samsung still has the best watch and OS for watch. That's how a watch should look. Not some dinky little square kids toy. Battery for days and days.

How a watch “should look”? That sounds like flawed, legacy thinking. The only reason that watches have been circular in the past is because they were based on a dial mechanism. Now that we no longer have rotating hands, why would you want to limit the screen real estate to an inefficient circle? It forces the watch to be bigger than it needs to be just in order to have enough usable screen space and to make text legible.

Thank god Apple is not limited by that kind of thoughtless, old-fashioned design philosophy.

 

[aevan]

LoL a 2D snapshot of ones irises? The iris scanner uses ir led and an iris camera to scan and build a map of someones very very uniquer irises

Yes a 2D map of very very unique irises that can be spoofed by a sophisticated photograph of that very very unique iris.

(then again you were convinced that the iris scanner can't be used for mobile payments). So are tremendously uninformed.

True, I was misinformed about mobile payments, as I was quick to admit.

I'm saying that "every individual carries a unique and sophisticated pattern on their iris.

True. The problem is not that you can fool the camera with different eyes, it's that you can, basically, replicate the unique and sophisticated pattern of an individual by using a detailed photo (and some optical trickery including contact lenses).

No security technology is 100% fool-proof. But some are more secure than others.

3D mapping has specific vulnerabilities that don't exist with the iris scanner.

Again, true. No technology is vulnerability-free. However, 3D mapping is harder to trick than a snapshot done by an IR led camera.

LoL common knowledge what?

Common knowledge that 3D mapping is more secure.

The Galaxy S10 is rumored to have an ultrasonic under the display fingerprint scanner that works as reliable as current fingerprint scanners and can be triggered without turning the phone on.

Now that would be totally impressive. Would love the rumors to be true, because that sounds like amazing tech. Until then, we have the fine Iris scanning of the Galaxy 9-series, and the superior 3D facial mapping of Face ID. It's ok, really.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Samsung new home speaker can be use as bbq pit too

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It does look bad. I can’t even say it might be good on the inside.

 

[ROGmaster]

Ahahaha!

It was cracked HARD in the first days it came out by Chaos Computer Club in Germany, with everything WELL DOCUMENTED.

https://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2017/iriden

Seriously, it can be broken with an old camera, a B&W printer and contact lenses...

... and it doesn't work with dark sunglasses, etc.

Even Samsung passively admits it when it doesn't allow it to secure Samsung Pay and requires their "S-TouchID"

That's is old news. Nobody cracked Note 8's and S9's Iris scanners not even close/
The same Chaos Computer Club in Germany didin't want to try it one more time because "It's not fun". So obviously their method doesn't work anymore with newer Samsung phone which have updated hardware and software.

And again Samsung Pay works with the Iris Scanner.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Absolutely premium and gorgeous devices. If there's ever a device that can command a premium price, it's the Note 9. Without question. Wow.
And Samsung still has the best watch and OS for watch. That's how a watch should look. Not some dinky little square kids toy. Battery for days and days.

You've got to be joking?
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Luckily that’s your opinion.

If you know absolutely anything about these technologies, you'd share the opinion.

 

[aevan]

And again Samsung Pay works with the Iris Scanner.

As I said, I'm sure it's good. It's not better than Face ID though, but average users probably won't have any issues.

Why is it hard to accept that it's not "the best"? Does that mean the device is somehow bad? Federer is currently below Nadal on the ATP list, but that doesn't mean he's not an amazing tennis player.

 

[Sevanw]

Thank god Apple is not limited by that kind of thoughtless, old-fashioned design philosophy.

Yeah. To hell with old fashioned design philosophy and a proper unobstructed view of a display. Let's just copy the notch, but let's make it a unibrow. Yup, now that's cutting edge design. Pathetic.

 

[Khedron]

Thats how a watch should look? Thanks for your opinion. I happen to think it looks like a hideous cheap casio found at a carnival. The Apple Watch looks much more premium in every way.

Until you look at the screen and see those massive bezels Apple failed at hiding with the black border.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Yeah. To hell with old fashioned design philosophy and a proper unobstructed view of a display. Let's just copy the notch, but let's make it a unibrow. Yup, now that's cutting edge design. Pathetic.

Guess what? That chin and forehead obstruct more than a notch.
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Until you look at the screen and see those massive bezels Apple failed at hiding with the black border.

Samsung's bezel here is so big they put numbers on it.

 

[Sevanw]

You've got to be joking?

You can't be serious.

 

[Iconoclysm]

That's is old news. Nobody cracked Note 8's and S9's Iris scanners not even close/
The same Chaos Computer Club in Germany didin't want to try it one more time because "It's not fun". So obviously their method doesn't work anymore with newer Samsung phone which have updated hardware and software.

And again Samsung Pay works with the Iris Scanner.

Lies. https://mashable.com/2017/05/23/samsung-galaxy-s8-iris-scanner-hacked/#8Dxohxz.smqk

 

[aevan]

Until you look at the screen and see those massive bezels Apple failed at hiding with the black border.

Talking about shape, bezels or visual preference? Because, as I understood it, they were explaining why it's wrong for a smartwatch to be circular. And there was talk of visual preference, but that is a matter of taste. No idea which watch has a bigger screen area, but that is not the topic.

 

[Iconoclysm]

I clearly wrote: Iris scanner, why are you talking about 2D scan?

Oh, so you don't know what an Iris scanner is. Says a lot.

 

[Shanghaichica]

As I said, I'm sure it's good. It's not better than Face ID though, but average users probably won't have any issues.

Why is it hard to accept that it's not "the best"? Does that mean the device is somehow bad? Federer is currently below Nadal on the ATP list, but that doesn't mean he's not an amazing tennis player.

Federer is a better player than Nadal despite what the rankings might say.

Faced ID is better because it works. Iris scanning is finicky. I switched it off when I had the note 8.

 

[Larryprice]

Luckily that’s your opinion.

LOL, have you actually used Face ID?

 

[ROGmaster]

Y
True. The problem is not that you can fool the camera with different eyes, it's that you can, basically, replicate the unique and sophisticated pattern of an individual by using a detailed photo (and some optical trickery including contact lenses).

No security technology is 100% fool-proof. But some are more secure than others.

Man you keep repeating this but nobody was able to crack Note 8's or S9's Iris scanner. Just because a method worked with the S8 doesn't mean it's will work universally for ever with every Iris Scanner out there.
The same guys that cracked S8's iris scanner refuse to test their method on newer Samsung phones. That makes it very clear that it doesn't work anymore. It was never reliable anyway getting inconsistent results(as in it didn't work every time anyway)

Common knowledge that 3D mapping is more secure.

No it's just your opinion.
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Lies. https://mashable.com/2017/05/23/samsung-galaxy-s8-iris-scanner-hacked/#8Dxohxz.smqk

I clearly specified Note 8 and S9.

 

[pat500000]

LOL, have you actually used Face ID?

Yup. Returned x.

 

[aevan]

Federer is a better player than Nadal despite what the rankings might say.

Lol, won't go into who's actually better, I just thought it was a good example. But it even proves my point: there is no doubt Nadal is lower on the list, but he's still an amazing player (maybe even better, as you say). But people claiming Iris scanning is more secure is like claiming Nadal is, actually, first on the ATP list.

 

[Saipher]

I came here for the comments... I'm not disappointed!