Hands-On With the Apple Music App for Tesla

[IllinoisCorn]

I've wondered about this. Apparently there's an API that an EV's iPhone app can use to provide such information to Apple Maps. https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/set-up-electric-vehicle-routing-iphc5e3a4b4b/ios

Would it be as good as the routing my Tesla's built-in nav gives? I don't know, it would depend on the details that the app provides to Maps, and Maps' interpretation of that data. I haven't heard *anything* about Maps' EV support since it debuted.

The link you sent discusses planning a route from one charge station to the next.

I can do that right now with Apple or Google Maps, but I don't think there is a snowball's chance in Hell Apple Maps will ever pilot a Tesla.

I mean, if it cannot hook into my system and tell me how many miles I have left until I hit a supercharger, it's useless.

Also--I have full self driving (and beta 10) and driving directions relies on the Tesla Sat Nav--you can't use Autopilot with freaking Apple Maps--the car won't know where to go because it uses its own system.

 

[dontwalkhand]

Overall, I like the update. I only wish Tesla Apple Music would auto-start the recently played song / album. The option to hit "play" is greyed out so I have to go to the recently played section and choose that song (or find something new to play).

I wonder if this is an Apple issue or a Tesla issue. Who makes the app?

 

[Gix1k]

Now add CarPlay. Biggest blunder on their part.

 

[seinman]

The best way to fix is to delete, then only re-add from Apple Music, not from Purchased library.

Huge downside to this: it deletes the song from playlists and doesn’t re-add it. So let’s say you had an iTunes Match or purchased song in 5 playlists. You delete the song and add the AM version, so you have the correct metadata and lyrics and such. Now you have to remember which 5 playlists that song was in, and re-add it to each. Major pain in the ass.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

Your optimism is admirable, but there will never be an "affordable" Tesla. The $35K Model 3 was killed three months after introduction. Battery prices have also increased in 2022, rather than decreasing to less than $100/kWh as predicted. So the "affordable" Tesla will likely be over $40k, if it's ever announced (and if Elon ever finds someone to take over Twitter).

If Highland doesn't make the cut oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's not like it's my only option. I'll just get a regular Model 3 or a used one if that's the case. Or who knows maybe the Cybertruck would be up my alley.

 

[BeatCrazy]

Huge downside to this: it deletes the song from playlists and doesn’t re-add it. So let’s say you had an iTunes Match or purchased song in 5 playlists. You delete the song and add the AM version, so you have the correct metadata and lyrics and such. Now you have to remember which 5 playlists that song was in, and re-add it to each. Major pain in the ass.

No doubt a PITA, but that's really 'expected' behavior. If you delete it, it's assumed you want it gone from everywhere.

 

[tdar]

Do you have a Tesla and understand how the sat nav system is tightly integrated into the car and your energy capacity?

Do you think Apple Maps can route you to a Supercharger giving you a readout of how much energy you have left and how much you will have when you get there?

I think people who bash on a lack of CarPlay don't really understand how Teslas work.

No I don’t. And I never will. I am so much of an engineer that I can’t stand anything about how they do things in the car. Or maybe it’s how they don’t do things. I would never even sit in a Tesla that is running the Self Driving software. I don’t want to die or have any part in killing somebody else. As to the supercharge situation ( another pet peeve of mine, having a proprietary charging system, unlike every other car in the world.) there are outside software that you can run to find out what you need to know. Even Apple is beginning to add this to Apple Maps. But they have wisely started with the normal cars. You know the ones that all take the same chargers.

 

[IllinoisCorn]

Now add CarPlay. Biggest blunder on their part.

No--full self driving can't work with a third party app (and I wouldn't want it to) and Apple Maps can't tell me how many miles I will have left when I reach a Supercharger (let alone my mileage as I drive to it).

I think people who complain about a lack of CarPlay know nothing about Teslas.

 

[IllinoisCorn]

No I don’t. And I never will. I am so much of an engineer that I can’t stand anything about how they do things in the car. Or maybe it’s how they don’t do things. I would never even sit in a Tesla that is running the Self Driving software. I don’t want to die or have any part in killing somebody else.

Why are you complaining about products you don't own then?

Why are you complaining about products when you know nothing about them (other than your distaste)?

 

[Taldric2022]

No I don’t. And I never will. I am so much of an engineer that I can’t stand anything about how they do things in the car. Or maybe it’s how they don’t do things. I would never even sit in a Tesla that is running the Self Driving software. I don’t want to die or have any part in killing somebody else. As to the supercharge situation ( another pet peeve of mine, having a proprietary charging system, unlike every other car in the world.) there are outside software that you can run to find out what you need to know. Even Apple is beginning to add this to Apple Maps. But they have wisely started with the normal cars. You know the ones that all take the same chargers.

I am a software engineer and I own 2 Teslas. It took awhile to learn the limits and abilities of the self-driving features, but for what they do they are excellent. I never use them on side roads, only on highways and major arterial roads where they perform the basics of steering and speed control extremely well. The driver has to constantly be vigilant, of course, because ultimately you are still responsible for the car's actions, but I find my Teslas take a lot of the stress of driving away.

The entire "OMG you are going to die or kill someone with self driving" is WAY overblown. Like comically so. More people are killed by cars without any computer assist than in those with computer assist features.

As for the charging system... there was no standard when Tesla started producing the cars and building out the super charger network. In Europe Tesla uses the standard CCS charger plugs, but there still isn't an official DC charging standard in the US.

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

Tried playing a list while playing a game while car tried to drive itself but the CPU overheated and now ded.

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

I am a software engineer and I own 2 Teslas.

Sorry for your loss.

 

[Gix1k]

No--full self driving can't work with a third party app (and I wouldn't want it to) and Apple Maps can't tell me how many miles I will have left when I reach a Supercharger (let alone my mileage as I drive to it).

I think people who complain about a lack of CarPlay know nothing about Teslas.

You’re assuming I don’t have two Tesla’s. Adding CarPlay support could also allow Elon’s brilliant engineering team to figure out a way to make the car work with other maps. It’s figured out with other companies using Google Maps.

 

[Taldric2022]

Sorry for your loss.

Best cars I have ever owned. My personal experience with the first after multiple years of ownership lead me to purchase a second for my wife. No need to feel sorry for me.

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

Best cars I have ever owned.

Either poor taste or lack of experience.

There are just soooo many videos like these on Reddit and YouTube.

I have standards and these are not my standards.

 

[seinman]

No doubt a PITA, but that's really 'expected' behavior. If you delete it, it's assumed you want it gone from everywhere.

I understand that, I just wish there was a way to replace songs. There must be millions of people started using iTunes Match and now have Apple Music and have this issue. In addition to “add to library,” they should add a “replace in library” option. A guy can dream I guess.

 

[IllinoisCorn]

I am a software engineer and I own 2 Teslas. It took awhile to learn the limits and abilities of the self-driving features, but for what they do they are excellent. I never use them on side roads, only on highways and major arterial roads where they perform the basics of steering and speed control extremely well. The driver has to constantly be vigilant, of course, because ultimately you are still responsible for the car's actions, but I find my Teslas take a lot of the stress of driving away.

The entire "OMG you are going to die or kill someone with self driving" is WAY overblown. Like comically so. More people are killed by cars without any computer assist than in those with computer assist features.

As for the charging system... there was no standard when Tesla started producing the cars and building out the super charger network. In Europe Tesla uses the standard CCS charger plugs, but there still isn't an official DC charging standard in the US.

Well said. I've owned two--best cars I've ever owned. Teslas have the advantage of being able to use ANY charge system in the US, including non-Tesla fast chargers (if you have the adapter).

 

[tdar]

Why are you complaining about products you don't own then?

Why are you complaining about products when you know nothing about them (other than your distaste)?

I know lots about them. I am an engineer. We strive to learn about technology from every source. And we are passionate about seeing how things are done. You don’t have to give one damn about what I think about it. But I promise you that I am not wrong. That doesn’t mean that you can not buy what you want to buy. That’s another thing that I am passionate about.

 

[tdar]

I am a software engineer and I own 2 Teslas. It took awhile to learn the limits and abilities of the self-driving features, but for what they do they are excellent. I never use them on side roads, only on highways and major arterial roads where they perform the basics of steering and speed control extremely well. The driver has to constantly be vigilant, of course, because ultimately you are still responsible for the car's actions, but I find my Teslas take a lot of the stress of driving away.

The entire "OMG you are going to die or kill someone with self driving" is WAY overblown. Like comically so. More people are killed by cars without any computer assist than in those with computer assist features.

As for the charging system... there was no standard when Tesla started producing the cars and building out the super charger network. In Europe Tesla uses the standard CCS charger plugs, but there still isn't an official DC charging standard in the US.

Go ask the national Highway traffic administration if my self driving is overblown. They are investigating Tesla, because they’ve caused more accidents than any other self driving car in the world. And yes, they plan to do something about it.

 

[GDF]

Yeah it will remain in purchased. Those never go anywhere unless you hide them. Even then, you can unhide.

When you re-add make sure you’re doing it from an Apple Music search. Not dragging/adding from your Purchased category.

Thank for this. It worked. I really appreciate your advice!

 

[tdar]

Well said. I've owned two--best cars I've ever owned. Teslas have the advantage of being able to use ANY charge system in the US, including non-Tesla fast chargers (if you have the adapter).

This is going to be my last comment on this thread about my lack of interest in having a Tesla because it is not the purpose of the thread, but I compare the situation with Tesla to the situation in the smartphone market. The very first smartphone was from Microsoft and its partners. I had one. Because it was the only thing that you could have. But what happened there? They built a product that was a game changer until someone else came along and competed. That thing was called the iPhone. I bet that everyone of us has one and most everybody on this forum would never have anything else. Microsoft is no longer in the phone business. And they will never be again.
That is exactly what I expect to happen in the EV market. Most people are not ready to buy a EV. But all of the big companies are coming and bringing their expertise to the market. I feel confident that the market leaders will be the very same companies that are the leaders now. And I don’t believe that the companies that are newborn are going to be able to survive. Just like Microsoft could not survive in the phone business.

 

[bzhash]

A clear shortcoming not caught in this video is that there's no way to display upcoming songs, has anybody mentioned it already maybe?

 

[Tagbert]

I wish the AM app also included podcasts as the Spotify app. Its convent to open one app and have all your audio media available.

I’m glad that music and podcasts are separate. Other than both being “audio” much of the rest of the experience is different. For me, what I’m looking for is very different between the two. For podcasts, that is a focused listening experience whereas music is mostly just background sound. The optimized UIs for that are not the same.

Podcasts make a lot of use of chapters, chapter art, and episode notes with links to referenced sources. Music focused apps usually don’t support that.

Discovery is different. Having to search through a combined music and podcast database just increases the number of false matches. For apps that use your listening history to recommend music or podcasts, having both together is going to skew that recommendation and make it harder to get good data on either set. Podcast are often added by pasting a url into the app. How often do you do that with music?

On phones, most apps can barely present good navigation within one kind of media, mixing in others just makes that a more crowded and confusing experience.

 

[Tagbert]

Let's be real. The number of <20 year old YouTubers that pull in $100K from YouTube income can't be more than 1,000 unless you have stats that show otherwise.

It’s probably similar to the number of professional sports stars making big bucks on crazy contracts.

 

[page3]

I think people who complain about a lack of CarPlay know nothing about Teslas.

I think you are mistaken.

Tesla owner who wants CarPlay. Why? Well…

• Apple maps
• Google maps (full)
• Waze
• Speed camera alerts
• Ability to zoom in further on route
• Ability for navigation to quieten music during instructions
• Ability for navigation to pause audiobooks during instructions
• Speed aware dynamic volume adjustment
• Spotify (full resolution)
• Other streaming services
• PlexAmp
• Audible
• Prologue (audiobooks from Plex)
• Siri voice recognition
• iMessage/sms reading and dictation