Hands-On With the In-Screen Fingerprint Technology in the New OnePlus 6T

[Shanghaichica]

Face Recognition doesn't work on any Android devices for Bank logins or any other logins like how it works on iPhone through Face ID. It's not secured.

That's why I was wondering even In-Screen Fingerprint on OnePlus 6T works for logins? or it's just for unlocking phone and apps which is total useless for me.

The huwawei facial recognition might eventually be approved for bank logins if it’s supposed to be the same as Face ID and hence as secure or secure enough. The facial recognition systems on the Mate 20 Pro is not the same as the one on other android phones, it uses a smimilar system to Face ID.

The physical FPS sensors on android phones are used for logins to bank accounts on android because they are considered secure enough and I would expect that the huwawei one will eventually be approved.
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Still far enough when it comes to quality of what feature Apple gives and other Android OEMs

https://gearburn.com/2018/10/huawei-mate-20-pro-face-unlock/

https://wccftech.com/huawei-mate-20-pro-face-unlock-tricked/

Face ID has been bypassed by siblings, other relatives and even non related Asian people.

 

[MultiMan]

The facial recognition systems on the P20 Pro is not the same as the one on other android phones, it uses a smimilar system to Face ID.

I suppose you meant Mate 20 Pro? I have the P20 Pro atm and it doesn't have the same system as Mate 20 Pro, and just uses the camera, ie 2D face unlock. Mate 20 Pro uses 3D with dot projector and IR illuminator, basically the same as Apple. I think however that it only uses half the number of dots, 30 000 in comparison to Apples 60 000 (could be wrong though).

 

[TonnyM]

It's now crystal clear why Apple abandoned this technology to go with 3D facial recognition.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I suppose you meant Mate 20 Pro? I have the P20 Pro atm and it doesn't have the same system as Mate 20 Pro, and just uses the camera, ie 2D face unlock. Mate 20 Pro uses 3D with dot projector and IR illuminator, basically the same as Apple. I think however that it only uses half the number of dots, 30 000 in comparison to Apples 60 000 (could be wrong though).

Yes sorry I meant the mate 20 pro.

 

[Reason077]

I haven't tried Face ID but to me Touch ID is perfect.

I once thought so too. But once you've used Face ID, there's no going back.
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on those occasions when I do have to use my phone quickly while driving

Please don't do that.

 

[DNichter]

Touch ID is never coming back. Face ID is already better and will only continue to improve. You won’t see Face ID in Macs until they move to their own ARM chips.

 

[jonnysods]

I love face id however I did like being able to unlock my phone as I pull it from my pocket so it'a already at the home screen and ready to use.

 

[Reason077]

You won’t see Face ID in Macs until they move to their own ARM chips.

Interesting. Is Face ID dependent on some special hardware that Apple builds into their A-series chips? Rather than the T-series chips that Mac already have?

 

[Morgenland]

I suppose you meant Mate 20 Pro? I have the P20 Pro atm and it doesn't have the same system as Mate 20 Pro, and just uses the camera, ie 2D face unlock. Mate 20 Pro uses 3D with dot projector and IR illuminator, basically the same as Apple. I think however that it only uses half the number of dots, 30 000 in comparison to Apples 60 000 (could be wrong though).

Huawei, based in Shenzen, is a powerful corporation that is closely linked to the political leadership of China. I am glad that Apple is still able to transform Face-ID data as well as fingerprint data with specially developed hardware, so that e.g. secret services don't get an appetite. Not everyone spends their money carelessly.

Just said that to Sweden ;-)

The world community has agreed that the theft of ideas is a criminal offence....
https://www.patentlyapple.com/paten...match-apples-high-end-3d-face-id-feature.html

When others steal, Apple goes shopping well-behaved (Finisar and II-VI (Two-Six))
I'm very excited about what Apple will integrate from the interesting approach of In-Screen Fingerprint Technology...

 

[flygbuss]

Huawei, based in Shenzen, is a powerful corporation that is closely linked to the political leadership of China. I am glad that Apple is still able to transform Face-ID data as well as fingerprint data with specially developed hardware, so that e.g. secret services don't get an appetite. Not everyone spends their money carelessly.

Just said that to Sweden ;-)

The world community has agreed that the theft of ideas is a criminal offence....

https://www.patentlyapple.com/paten...match-apples-high-end-3d-face-id-feature.html

c'mon..

 

[Morgenland]

c'mon..

What do you mean, "c'mon"?! Here at MacRumors, we're all grown-ups and can tolerate content well.

 

[webdriverguy00]

On a mac rumors site why is this posted?

 

[pweicks]

Huawei uses the same technology with dot projector, IR illuminator and all in their latest Mate 20 Pro. Was just released.

And, of course, fingerprint scanner under the screen too for those who want it.

Anyone know how well it works?

 

[Lankyman]

The biggest issue with current in-screen fingerprint readers is they’re optical readers and not capacitive like the old TouchID or fingerprint readers located on the back of devices.

This results in a couple of issues:

First, they’re often times slower because they’re essentially taking a picture of your fingerprint and comparing it to what’s on file. In order to do so, a light needs to be shined onto the finger so that the fingerprint patterns can be "seen" by the optical sensor. In the case of the OnePlus, a green light appears where you are to place your finger, and this same greenlight is what illuminates your finger. However, if the screen is dirty, of if your finger is dirty (or wet), or the angle of your finger on the screen is off, the fingerprint reader may be slow or fail outright.

Second, the security of an optical reader isn't great. Unlike a capacitive reader, which is able to detect the subtle differences in capacitance b/w the groove and peaks of your finger (and thus can't be fooled by a pic), an optical reader can theoretically be fooled by a simple high quality pic of your finger.

I imagine, as the technology matures, these issues can be reduced, if not eliminated entirely. But, at the moment, in-screen readers are just not ready for prime time.

In your opinion and not one anyone who is using one especially the OP6T would necessarily agree with. As said in earlier post, to date this is without doubt the best fingerprint reader I have ever used, Android or Apple.

 

[ESabis]

I’m so glad that the safety of other road users and pedestrians is inconveniencing you. Ever heard of “Hey Siri?” Distracted driving is a killer. The last thing you should be doing is using a phone while driving. There is no excuse. No one needs to use their phone while driving. *Shakesheadindisbelief*

While you are 100% correct about distracted driving being just wrong, however, IMHO, talking to Siri is not that much different than talking to someone sitting in my passenger seat. So maybe I am missing a trick that is really the only thing I miss about TouchID.

While driving....
iPhone: Ding Ding
Me: Hey Siri, Read my text
Siri: You'll need to unlock your iPhone first

That is distracting driving at its worst as it seems like you must pick up the phone, and look directly at it to unlock. With TouchID, I could paw around to find the TouchID button. Does anyone know a way around this? If yes, no more TouchID for me.

 

[Morgenland]

The biggest issue with current in-screen fingerprint readers is they’re optical readers and not capacitive like the old TouchID or fingerprint readers located on the back of devices.

This results in a couple of issues:

First, they’re often times slower because they’re essentially taking a picture of your fingerprint and comparing it to what’s on file. In order to do so, a light needs to be shined onto the finger so that the fingerprint patterns can be "seen" by the optical sensor. In the case of the OnePlus, a green light appears where you are to place your finger, and this same greenlight is what illuminates your finger. However, if the screen is dirty, of if your finger is dirty (or wet), or the angle of your finger on the screen is off, the fingerprint reader may be slow or fail outright.

Second, the security of an optical reader isn't great. Unlike a capacitive reader, which is able to detect the subtle differences in capacitance b/w the groove and peaks of your finger (and thus can't be fooled by a pic), an optical reader can theoretically be fooled by a simple high quality pic of your finger.

I imagine, as the technology matures, these issues can be reduced, if not eliminated entirely. But, at the moment, in-screen readers are just not ready for prime time.

Thank you for the competent summary!

As a reminder, some corporations sell crap...
This most famous example is just one of many examples I have collected in the meantime:

Another question: Is there a functional description of the in-screen-sensor somewhere available?
If you can attach optically active sensors behind a screen, that would be a huge breakthrough: Then perhaps at some point cameras could be centered behind the screen so that you can simultaneously look each other in the eye at Facetime.

 

[Reason077]

That is distracting driving at its worst as it seems like you must pick up the phone, and look directly at it to unlock. With TouchID, I could paw around to find the TouchID button. Does anyone know a way around this? If yes, no more TouchID for me.

You don’t have to look directly at it if you turn off “require attention” in Face ID settings.

But I agree it’s a problem if you have to unlock the device to use Siri while driving. Need a solution for that.

 

[ksec]

Placing you side of finger which couldn't unlock it and calling it inaccurate.
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Apple is famous for never going back, so doubtful we will ever see Touch ID in iPhone again, even though a combination of the two would be killer.

Face ID should be username, and Touch ID should be password. This will finally get rid of all the username and password crap.

 

[DNichter]

Interesting. Is Face ID dependent on some special hardware that Apple builds into their A-series chips? Rather than the T-series chips that Mac already have?

I’m not sure if there is a major difference. I would think that the T series chips likely could allow the same functionality, but I think Apple will wait until they bring their own chips to their laptops and desktops to bring this sort of functionality. Using the A series chips will allow Apple to build the machines they really want to build. Look at the new iPad Pro, how thin it is. Now imagine two of them attached by an innovative hinge to create and clamshell type laptop with a virtual keyboard area that adapts depending which app you are using. Kind of like a big touchbar/keyboard/trackpad in one. This is where they want to go. Right now they can’t with Intel. Could they add the functionality? Probably, but it makes more sense to bring it all together when they use their own chips. They’ll kind of use it as just another reason why they had to make the switch, the introduce such features.

 

[Yuthopia]

Seems quick in the video, but they mention it takes a while sometimes. I guess if you have to look at it to find where to place your finger, it doesn’t add much value as Face ID would be unlocked by then. Apple should give the option to unlock to home screen just by looking at it and it would be better by far.

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I miss Touch ID. To be honest, on those occasions when I do have to use my phone quickly while driving, Face ID has made me less safe. Typing in a six-digit passcode is very distracting when I'm wearing sunglasses that FaceID doesn't like.

Try changing the glasses. Most of the glasses work.

It will distract you anyway, as you will neex to swipe up.

 

[nviz22]

Shrug.

 

[Yuthopia]

I like my XS, but I do miss TouchID. There are so many instances (in bed, in the dark, Halloween, etc) where FaceID just doesn’t work, and it’s frustrating.
Yes, in optimal situations it works great. But when it doesn’t, it’s annoying.

I wish future iPhones could implement BOTH, but I know that would be costly and unlikely.

Somehow, I never have any issues in bed or in complete darkness before. Maybe, your XS is broken in some regards.

I do have problems when it is lying on the desk though. It opens only 50% of the time.

I wish iPhone has both too.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Placing you side of finger which couldn't unlock it and calling it inaccurate.
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Face ID should be username, and Touch ID should be password. This will finally get rid of all the username and password crap.

How long would that take? And that would be quite cumbersome having to look at the phone and put your finger on the reader.

 

[shanson27]

Not a friend of it Face ID is better

 

[kahkityoong]

Given a choice between the two, I would much prefer Face ID.