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They are haters because they argue that a product is worthless for EVERYONE only because it doesn’t serve THEIR OWN needs.

No, people complained because an $1100 "Pro" phone only came with 64gb base storage. That's very little storage for most people so they have to upgraded to the 256gb. So basically the "Pro" start at $1250 before tax!
 
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Then you haven't spent much time on automotive forums, or watch forums, and probably other forums that deal with consumables. Every forum has folks that will make those comments. EVERY.ONE!

Aren't they, for the most part, still in high school?
 
Then you haven't spent much time on automotive forums, or watch forums, and probably other forums that deal with consumables. Every forum has folks that will make those comments. EVERY.ONE!
Yup. Add oil of all things. Bob is the oil guy forums. Fanboys of oil, you heard that right! Video game consoles are some of the worst. PC/Mac and nVidia/AMD and Intel/AMD. Politics (republican/democrat). Sports are definitely #1 worst though. Automotive is up there too.

It's everywhere for everything. The world is teeming with it. It's a human condition. I'm of the opinion it's one of the biggest blockers to evolution of our species. It's so intrensic to what we are that I fear it will never be overcome. Very very few of us remain absolutely objective. Something I always strive for in everything.
 
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No, people complained because an $1100 "Pro" phone only came with 64gb base storage. That's very little storage for most people so they have to upgraded to the 256gb. So basically the "Pro" start at $1250 before tax!
You are mistaken. Multiple people did, in fact, complain that 64gb was useless for anyone.
 
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No, people complained because an $1100 "Pro" phone only came with 64gb base storage. That's very little storage for most people so they have to upgraded to the 256gb. So basically the "Pro" start at $1250 before tax!
Anyone with an opinion that doesn’t favor Apple means they are haters to his type.
 
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Anyone with an opinion that doesn’t favor Apple means they are haters to his type.

That's ridiculous. I dislike the OLED display in my X, and very much preferred the LCD panel in my 6+. That doesn't mean I "hate" on Apple.

I suspect regular "haters" for the most part are either still in high school, or suffer from some kind of issue.
 
Anyone with an opinion that doesn’t favor Apple means they are haters to his type.
No, again, I have no problem with people who say “64gb is useless to me.” The haters are the ones who say “64gb is useless to everyone.”

And “his type?” Really? Go look at my past posts. Nobody has been harder on actual apple screwups (mac keyboard, etc) than me.
 



It's iPhone launch day, which means the new iPhone 11, iPhone 11 Pro, and iPhone 11 Pro Max are now in the hands of customers.

We picked up a new iPhone 11 and an iPhone 11 Pro Max for an unboxing and quick first impressions overview to give MacRumors readers who are still considering a purchase or waiting on their new phone a look at the updated devices.


Our iPhone 11 Pro Max is in midnight green, the popular new color that sold out within just a few minutes after preorders went live. Midnight green is greener on camera than it looks in real life, and in some lighting, it's quite similar to space gray.

This is the first new color Apple has introduced for its high-end iPhone in years, and it's a rather safe choice because of its subtlety. There's also a new matte finish on the Pro models, which gives them a frosted look.

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Apple introduced two new iPhone 11 colors this year: purple and green. Our iPhone 11 is the purple color, which is a soft lavender shade that's quite pretty.

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Unboxing the new iPhones is standard procedure and there's nothing that jumps out as new, but the iPhone 11 Pro Max (and the 11 Pro) come with a new 18W USB-C charger and a USB-C to Lightning cable instead of the traditional 5W charger.

With that new 18W cable, the iPhone 11 Pro and Pro Max support fast charging right out of the box. You can charge an iPhone 11 Pro or Pro Max to 50 percent in 30 minutes. The iPhone 11, of course, supports the same fast charging, but it still ships with a 5W charger and a standard USB-A to Lightning cable.

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The iPhone 11 Pro Max is heavier than the iPhone XS Max, and just a bit thicker. The extra weight isn't too noticeable, but it's worth noting that the Pro Max is Apple's heaviest iPhone to date. All that weight is attributable to a thicker, heavier battery and a major increase in battery life - the iPhone 11 Pro Max lasts 5 hours longer than the XS Max, and the 11 Pro lasts 4 hours longer than the XS.

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Apple's iPhone 11 also has a longer battery life than the previous-generation iPhone XR, but it's just an hour longer because the XR already had pretty awesome battery life.

The iPhone 11 Pro Max looks similar to last year's iPhone XS Max from the front, but the back stands out because of the new triple-lens camera system and the relocated Apple logo, which is now in the center. There was some chatter that the logo was relocated for bilateral wireless charging, but that's ultimately not a feature that the iPhones launched with.

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There's also a new dual-lens camera in the iPhone 11, so it too looks different from last year's iPhone XR. The new camera in both iPhones is an ultra wide-angle camera lens that lets you get super wide shots for landscapes, taking photos of architecture, and, well, anything else. It's a neat new camera feature and we're going to delve into it more in a dedicated camera video.

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Perhaps the most interesting new camera feature is the new Night mode, which is designed to take crisp, clear shots in low lighting conditions using machine learning and photo aggregation techniques. We'll be testing this out later too, but so far, it looks promising.

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When it comes to the display, the iPhone 11 features the same LCD display as the iPhone XR, but the Pro has a Super Retina XDR display capable of 1200 nits of peak brightness, which is going to be noticeable when it comes to HDR. It's not a big difference, though. The iPhone 11 display isn't as good as the iPhone 11 Pro's display, but it's definitely good enough for most people given the iPhone 11's much lower price point.

3D Touch is gone in all of the new iPhones this year, replaced with Haptic Touch. Haptic Touch does a lot of what 3D Touch does, but it's an adjustment because there's no pressure sensitivity.

Apple says Face ID is 30 percent faster in the new iPhones, and it does seem quicker. Face ID is also supposed to work from more angles, but it still doesn't seem to work from flat on a desk and it still needs to be pointed in the general direction of your face.

All of the new iPhone models use an updated 12-megapixel front-facing camera and there are some notable updates. You can turn the iPhone to landscape mode to capture a wider shot, which is great for group selfies, and there's a new slo-mo camera so you can capture what Apple calls "Slofies." On the iPhone 11, since there are now two cameras, Portrait mode works with all kinds of objects and not just people like it did in the XR.

Apple introduced a new A13 chip in the 2019 iPhones, but last year's iPhones were so quick that it's tough to notice a difference in performance in real-world everyday usage. When it comes to gaming, photography, and AR, though, you may see some faster speeds.

All in all, the iPhone 11, 11 Pro, and 11 Pro Max aren't wildly different from last year's devices in terms of design and internal components, but the camera has received some major updates that really set these new iPhones apart from last year's models. Those who are heavily into iPhone photography might want to update, but the camera-focused update may not appeal to the average user who already has an iPhone XS, XS Max, XR, or even an iPhone X or iPhone 8.

iPhone users who have an older iPhone like a 5, 6, or 7 model will see more satisfying changes, and for these models, the $699 iPhone 11 is the most logical and cost effective update.

Did you get one of Apple's new iPhones? Let us know what you think in the comments. Stay tuned to MacRumors next week because we'll have more video coverage of the new iPhones, including a deep dive into the cameras.

Article Link: Hands-On With the New iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro Max
It's not the cost of the damn thing that bothers me so much as the size. Is it an iPhone 11 Max that you have in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
 
I just went from an iPhone 7 to an 11 pro. Personal first impressions:

I can say that Face ID works great, but so did Touch ID. The taller screen is nice, but not a huge deal. The notch is as ugly as I thought it would be. Camera bump looks better than I thought it would, I like it. Screen bezels seem larger than I would have liked here in 2019. Ultra wide angle lens is awesome, as-is the low-light function. (primary reason for buying) Overall this new phone feels clunky. It's quite a bit thicker, wider, taller and heavier than the iPhone 7 (which I have a renewed appreciation for). I'm already looking forward to being slightly disappointed by the iPhone 12.
 
Yeah the still fat bezels are my #1 complaint. They just look so so bad. I was desperately hoping they would finally address those.
 
You folks and your conspiracy theories. LOL. Night mode is not something that can be on older phones because it is a combination of software AND new hardware.

"It starts with the new sensor in the iPhone 11’s default camera—what Apple calls the “wide” camera. On the iPhone 11, this 12-megapixel sensor comes with “100% focus pixels”—sub-pixel portions of the sensor that are used to detect data about the light in the scene rather than capture an image. The focus pixels help provide data that’s vital in analyzing the small amounts of light coming in to the camera."
Perhaps that’s true. First I’ve seen that specific claim. (Not doubting you) still that is one component of the process. A great deal of the final result is done in software. Apple hasn’t cheated physics, all these night enhancements are highly computational in nature.
 
Apple keeps falling behind in camera tech.. just because they have more cameras they seem to fail when it comes to the software. The portrait mode blurring just can't keep up with what Google is doing, it looks unusable from what I have seen. Also night mode just doesn't seem as sharp either, and Googles tech is a year old now. The new Pixel 4 isn't out yet, but my guess is Apple still wins in Video, especially when it comes to audio recording.. for some reason Google hasn't figured out how to record audio yet. But for still photography, the Pixel 3 still looks to be the winner to me.
 
All of the iPhones from 2018-19 are significantly bigger and heavier than the 6-8 and the plus series.

I’d say see if you can get used to it. Else the plain 11 could be a good compromise. Or go ‘old school’ and downsize to a 11P.
Yea I am managing and will keep it - my next phone will be the 2021 phone with the 2nd gen 5G modem.
 
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I'm not a typical user because I take almost no pictures and use two iPhones mainly for communications until they can no longer run the latest iOS. Normally, this is the year I would be upgrading my two ancient 5s units running 12.4.1 to 11R units running 13.1 BUT Tokyo gets full 5G coverage in the next few months in anticipation of the 2020 Tokyo Olympics, so it makes no sense to upgrade to an 11 now that will limit me to LTE for 4 years after 2020. As a result, I'm breaking my rule and waiting for the 5G models next year. Frankly, I'd have thought Apple would have anticipated this scenario for Asia and especially Japan and got 5G into 2019 iPhones, but I guess the squabbles with Qualcomm and Intel precluded that.
Some friends are already switching to Huawei with 5G at lower prices than iPhones, but they are not so deeply invested as me in the macos environment.
 
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The argument that something is worth it because it will cost less than a latte might be useful when justifying a new toy but it‘s meaningless. I need a new reading/tv chair but it will cost $1,500. The Ekorness chair I’m in this moment is from my first apartment (1988!), looks like hell, but still comfy as hell. 30 years at 2 hours a day is $0.068/hour. 30 years is unreasonable to plan on so let’s assume 10 - that’s $0.205 or 3 bucks a week! I wonder if next year’s model will have higher quality padding? Is it worth going up 20%?

Tech stats mean nothing in a phone. Chip name, RAM, and aperture mean nothing. Battery life and storage are useful but can be understood by great uncle Wesley. ( this phone lasts 2 hours longer and has room for twice as many pictures as your old one.)

What means something is do you need it (rare), will it bring you joy, and can you afford it. Analysis beyond that is merely numerical masturbation in the interest of justification.


Exactly. How many things can Apple convince people to finance at 0% before they can be considered a cult?
 
Iphone 11 is same size and weight as 6s plus.

not sure how weak people’s wrists are that they find this weight burdensome.
Obviously its not the wrist that finds the phone too heavy. It's putting the damn thing in your pocket. I have an iPhone X, love the face recognition, but hate the weight and size. If you wear shorts, the phone weighs enough to after a few steps you need to pull your pants back up. Maybe that's why I see all the kids with the phone in their hand, even when they are not using it. It's just too big any heavy to put in your pocket.
 
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