You must be new to Apple to complain about this. Yes, it sucks but it’s Apple; nothing new. I have last year’s 13inch pro and I would take this one to save some money if it was an option then.
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Hands-On With the New July 2019 13-Inch MacBook Pro
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Every single MBP with the butterfly we've had has failed, whether from 2016, 2017, 2018, or 2019, likely due to heat as we run the CPU and GPU full out 24/7. Guess how many non-butterfly keyboards failed under the same conditions? Zero.
I'm surprised the article didn't mention how the speakers are nowhere near as good as the previous model.
People who don't have a need for larger storage with limited $ and don't want to pay extra for something not used. Likely those who need a laptop just to browse the web and send/receive email.
Similar to those who will order a truck/car without extra options (leather/aluminum wheels/larger engine/special trim/etc.).
Buy what you need. If you need more than what the stock configuration offers, simply pay for it.
It doesn matter that people dont need larger storage or dont want to pay extra. We have phones now with 128GB of storage. SSD & Memory prices in laptops should be going down and not up. A Pro Laptop should come with 256GB SSD and 16GB of Ram as the base. We have had these 2 as upgrade options since 2012, in 2019 they should come standard.
Choosing the wrong tool for the job is actual failure. Where do you think on a bell shape curve of MBP owners does that usage scenario fall? I’m visualizing a row of laptops in a Bitcoin farm...
have you thought of the people world-wide that use Apple products? How far is the closest Apple repair center to them? People like in Uganda, Chile, Vietnam, Sri Lanka... they too paid just as much or even sometimes more for these machines.
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Choosing the wrong tool for the job is actual failure. Where do you think on a bell shape curve of MBP owners does that usage scenario fall? I’m visualizing a row of laptops in a Bitcoin farm...
I see your point, but any product should be used to its highest potential without breaking apart. If the MBP can't handle it, they should tone the speeds down. I should not be expecting the device to break for using it.
It certainly does to people on a budget, with minimal laptop requirements, who would be forced to pay more for something not needed. You shouldn't assume everyone's laptop requirements match yours.
Agreed - 256GB should be the minimum by now. Apple is still being mean about storage capacity
Different people have different expectations. Many keep a computer until it is no longer fast enough to do what they need it to do. Their last computer may have lasted eight to ten years. They expect the same functional life from a new computer. They aren't excited by the latest tech. Nor do they require high performance to remain competitive.
A keyboard isn't a part one should have to worry about. Keyboard reliability was perfected many years ago. Apple had no reason to reinvent the wheel. When it's design was shown to be inherently flawed. Rather than go back to a reliable design or a completely different design. They keep trying to fix the flawed design. Not once but twice.
If Apple was selling $300 computers. Then sure one should expect it to have cheap unreliable parts. At a $1,300 base price. One should at least be able to expect that the hardware won't fail and any flawed design to be permanently axed in one generation. Not revisions beta tested by the end user every generation until they get it right.
Apple immediately adding the new keyboard design to the extended repair program can be interpreted two ways by people. An optimist sees it as, "We are so confident in this keyboard. We guarantee it for four years." A pessimist sees it as, "We'll keep patching it every time it breaks for the next four years, then you are on your own."
Thinness has been given as an excuse. The problem is there are multiple laptops on the market which are just as thin or thinner with similar specs (ie space requirements). Which managed to use reliable non-butterfly keyboards.
i think there is an expectation for excellence and quality premium when your paying for apple when its many of the core components are similar spec to much cheaper windows laptop. here the butterfly keyboard is garnering mixed reviews across the board, a leap of faith apple went with and didn't work out. so its not as black and white as folks ragging on apple to be cool, more like why oh why is this D key double clicking on a 2 thousand dollar laptop.
glad to hear it works, until it doesn't, then welcome to the club of non working, repeating keys, stuck keys club.
I was talking about current 2018+ 3rd gen keyboard models, which the article is about. In your case I would sell it while it’s still under the 4 year warranty and get a 3rd gen, maybe a lightly used 2018, since they’re only going to keep replacing your keyboard with the older problematic model. Maybe you could get Apple to give you a 2018+ replacement if you take it up with them, considering your experience so far?
What? Except for the failure rate (which is now covered entirely by Apple so no issue) this keyboard is great to type on. Most people I know who have these love them.
Not worried at all. For the last two years it's been used a minimum of eight hours a day, every day, managing a residential construction project. A real work horse.
Some people are prone to living in a world of what-if fear worrying about this-n-that. If that floats your boat, that's fine. Not for me though.
Like i said these were upgrade options since 2012, no one should pay more for base options. My argument is that these "upgrades" that people pay more for should be base options included in the starting price point.
in my case is not what-if, but what already happened. 1 week into ownership and got 2 stuck keys.
The good news is at 1 week of ownership you can take it back for a new laptop. Or get your money back.
I have a MBP mid-2015 Model and it's plenty great and works perfect for my web development needs. I also edit a lot of photos on it and everything is near instant. Not bad for a 4-year old computer. I am going to need to see a massive upgrade from it before I even think about upgrading. I don't care if a computer is 0.00002" thin. I want it to have a big battery that will last for at least a day without even thinking about it. I also want it to have 32GB Ram at a minimum, fast i7 Processor and a removable secondary PCI M.2 Drive (I know, I am dreaming). And, I want it for < $2500.
I am not an Apple snob, and I'd gladly switch to PC if something suited my needs better. Right now, nothing is inspiring and it feels like that laptop field is flat.
I am not an Apple snob, and I'd gladly switch to PC if something suited my needs better. Right now, nothing is inspiring and it feels like that laptop field is flat.
exactly what i did, but that doesn't take away from the fact something like this happens, and puts a major question mark on the longevity of the butterfly keyboard.
So basically, your argument boils down to MacBook Pros should be cheaper.
Why not say that instead of saying it should be part of the base option?
Scenario 1:
Base version: MacBook Pro 128Gb costs $1
BTO: MacBook Pro 256Gb costs $100
Scenario 2:
Base version: MacBook Pro 256Gb costs $1300
Based on your argument you would be more happy with scenario 2 and that makes no sense.
Choosing the wrong tool for the job is actual failure. Where do you think on a bell shape curve of MBP owners does that usage scenario fall? I’m visualizing a row of laptops in a Bitcoin farm...
So why do you think the pre-butterfly keyboards didn't fail? Under the same conditions. You neglected that piece of things. Ditto with the trash can MPs we used - every single one burned itself out under sustained load. They are both design failures.
Keep going back and forth between this and the ipad pro with a keyboard. If only the iPad pro had better keyboard options and the ability to create smart playlist in the music app it would be a slam dunk iPad pro all the way.
Noticing an article about ref MBP lineup in October hopefully with the new keyboards kinda making more sense to go the iPad pro route now.
Now with the education deal do I just take the free solo's or pay a bit more for a set of the beats studios? UGH!
Noticing an article about ref MBP lineup in October hopefully with the new keyboards kinda making more sense to go the iPad pro route now.
Now with the education deal do I just take the free solo's or pay a bit more for a set of the beats studios? UGH!
Off-course i would be happier with Scenario one, everyone would be. But this is a hypothetical situation not a real one. For a base Macbook Pro it should come standard with 256GB in 16GB of Ram.
My reasons are that both items have come down in price over the years and they were upgrade options way back in 2012, for a pro device the consumer shouldn't have to pay more for options that should be standard.
No wether Apple decided to keep their 1300 price tag or increase it with what i am suggesting is a different discussion but i know that these are components that have gone down in price ever since 2012 and considering this is a pro device it should have pro specs. Its a better value to consumers when the laptop has better specs, to also differentiate it with the Air.
Considering now we have phones with 128GB of storage a consumer will want more storage on his laptop, especially if the storage cant be upgraded.
Seems contradictory. Steve Jobs was the one who started the idea of not giving customers what they want but what they don't know they want yet, no matter how much they complain. It's bold, and others have sometimes ended in disaster attempting it (e.g. Snapchat with the redesign). I don't think today's Apple can pull it off.
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There's a reason: It's the best option by far. Time matters the most when you're in college, so you don't want to waste it fixing crap.