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my grandfather always told me - only 3 types of watches. Disposable, Dress and the ones you buy to leave your grandkids.

A $399 chunky gadget watch made in Taiwan is non of those. well, unless you the kind of person who thinks coca-cola is a dinner drink.

Ooh, but aren’t you so clever and sophisticated?!

How many kinds of telephones did your grandfather describe, and did he think any of them were ‘for carrying around with you, finding your way, and sending electronic mail?’
 
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Not splitting hairs. Buying an Apple watch for $400 and wearing it every day makes more sense than buying a "dress" watch, hardly wearing it, then throwing it away one day. There are many people still wearing the original Apple watch after 2 1/2 years, and are still happy with it. They could update their watch every 2 to 4 years, wearing it every day, and it would be a smarter purchase than an heirloom that is hardly ever worn, and still one day disposed of, one way or another.
Just because you don't want one, doesn't make someone else wrong, or dumb for buying one. Just like it does not make you or someone's grandpa wrong for not buying one if you do not want one.
And...before you reply and say that you were not saying someone is wrong or dumb for buying one...you implied it.
Yes...you did.

Well I didn’t....so get over yourself.

I never said anyone shouldn’t have or buy a smartwatch. I have my own thanks . You folks are way to sensitive in supporting your electronics supplier. I suggest you brush up your comprehension skills and go back and reread my post. The original post suggested there are three Watch purchase types, disposable, dress and a heirloom.....just because I think the AW (and all other smartwatch are the same) falls into the first category shouldn’t be an issue to anyone; it’s called having an opinion
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My grandfather said there are only two kinds of phones: rotary and touchtone. He recommended the touch tone, and smartphones don't fit in either category. (This seems about as useful as other grandfather stories being posted here.)
And about as much use as your post...stop being so patronisingly
 
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Well, I only assumed that a person would be a child first, before a fully grown adult.
And no, they won't be interested on something that belongs well to the past.
Just like you don't see them wearing these pocket watches.
People move with the time...... they don't tend to stay on the past.
These watches will be a thing of collectors.


Fine swiss are not things of the past. You act like smartwatches are the norm. There not. There are more mechanical pieces being sold than apple watches. Again you miss the point of a fine swiss time piece. Its not what it does but what it is. People buy expensive paintings still do they not? Same rules apply to fine watches. Most successfull people can and do buy them. And most people who do buy them also buy apple watches myself included.

You act like its one or the other, not so. You will not find a young person, old person or anyone in between that would take a apple watch over a omega or a rolex. This isn’t a argument one over the other like you make it out to be. I love my apple watch but like my phone it will not replace my omegas. Nor was it meant to.

Most people will disposable incomes buy nice things like paintings, cars, and yes fine swiss watches. And will continue to do so.

Are the higher end swiss watch brands like Omega, Rolex, Brietling,Patek, safe from smartwatches? Certainly for what they are. I do agree with you that lower tier brands are not safe. I can see Apple eating into the sub $2000 swiss watch market and in fact already do. I can also see that market almost being cut in half or disappearing altogether.
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I live in Switzerland, plenty of Swiss drink coke with dinner. The “heirloom watch” meme is just marketing b.s. just like “a diamond is forever” (like your love) marketing b.s.

Folks I know that have multiple lux watches are just like the folks with a single cheap watch. The Apple Watch has proven this. Once you have an Apple Watch it displaces all others.


That is non sense. Most collectors me being one of them are not the same as a person who buys a cheaper watch. A apple watch does not displace all others. Its the other way around. Most of these comments are from people who do not own a fine swiss time piece. Once you have one or several you would realize how stupid your comment really is. I still wear my Omegas and always will, as i can still enjoy my apple watch. The one or the other argument is silly.

You will not find many owners of fine time pieces giving up their pieces over a apple watch. A apple watch complements a collection not replaces it.
 
Fine swiss are not things of the past. You act like smartwatches are the norm. There not. There are more mechanical pieces being sold than apple watches. Again you miss the point of a fine swiss time piece. Its not what it does but what it is. People buy expensive paintings still do they not? Same rules apply to fine watches. Most successfull people can and do buy them. And most people who do buy them also buy apple watches myself included.

You act like its one or the other, not so. You will not find a young person, old person or anyone in between that would take a apple watch over a omega or a rolex. This isn’t a argument one over the other like you make it out to be. I love my apple watch but like my phone it will not replace my omegas. Nor was it meant to.

Most people will disposable incomes buy nice things like paintings, cars, and yes fine swiss watches. And will continue to do so.

Are the higher end swiss watch brands like Omega, Rolex, Brietling,Patek, safe from smartwatches? Certainly for what they are. I do agree with you that lower tier brands are not safe. I can see Apple eating into the sub $2000 swiss watch market and in fact already do. I can also see that market almost being cut in half or disappearing altogether.
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That is non sense. Most collectors me being one of them are not the same as a person who buys a cheaper watch. A apple watch does not displace all others. Its the other way around. Most of these comments are from people who do not own a fine swiss time piece. Once you have one or several you would realize how stupid your comment really is. I still wear my Omegas and always will, as i can still enjoy my apple watch. The one or the other argument is silly.

You will not find many owners of fine time pieces giving up their pieces over a apple watch. A apple watch complements a collection not replaces it.

Agree almost totally with your comments. The Apple Watch will no more dislodge fine Swiss watches than the $25 quartz Casio was going to. I just don’t see a smartwatch (all brands & types) being very collectible, in that eventually the tech, battery, software etc will all eventually demise or become unsupported, plus they will become so ubiquitous and will have no exclusivity or rarity value.
 
The Series 1 had the S1P Dual Core Processor. Also, the Red Dot does not bother me, and the performance from a S0 to S3 is utterly ridiculous. You also seem to be in the MAJOR minority of people who do not notice a huge performance gain coming from the S2 to the S3. Maybe you had a faulty unit, or maybe you are just very hard to please?

:apple:

Well i held both in my hand at the same time and opened the same apps and there was little to no difference between the two in my estimation. Never said the difference from the S0 to the S3 was not ridiculous. Nor did i compare the two. You seem to be confusing yourself with that fact. I directly compared a S2 with a S3. I held both in my hand and opened the same apps on each unit and there was very little to zero difference in opening the apps and using them between the two watches. I am not saying the series 3 isn’t faster it is. I didn’t feel there was enough of a real world difference between the two.


In reality there is very little difference in real world usage between them as far as opening apps and real world usage. That is to me in my opinion. I considered the red dot annoying so i returned the series 3.

I like the black onyx crown which you can find on a traditional watch over the cheaper plastic red one. I like the apple watch for the fact that apple incorporated alot of elements of traditional watch making in the apple watch. That is what impressed me initially and continue to impress me with the series 2. Hopefully they fix this in the next version of the watch.Like the way the crown mimics a traditional screw down crown, like the build quality of the 316L steel and yes the black onyx not plastic crown. If you are not a watch collector you likely would not notice nor appreciate those fine touches that apple has made.

Now did they just try and save money or was it function over form? I dont know but i personally did not like it. To each their own. Enjoy your red dot in good health.
 
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my grandfather always told me - only 3 types of watches. Disposable, Dress and the ones you buy to leave your grandkids.

A $399 chunky gadget watch made in Taiwan is non of those. well, unless you the kind of person who thinks coca-cola is a dinner drink.
That sounds incredibly pretentious.
 
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Got home from Vegas last night and Opened my Apple Watch Series 3 42 mm Sport in Space Gray and put it on charge.
I have 2 usernames with ATT and the username they gave me when I set up a one bill account did not work, but my original username did work and I was off and running. Took about 10 minutes to do the whole process and it worked perfectly. The watch is zippy and the phone call clarity is amazing as I called my wife while walking the dog last night.
I talked for 8 minutes and the battery dropped to 93%. Can't wait to get the music etc all set up. I also can't help but notice there are many setup details that if scrutinized for your exact needs could allow for better battery life. Amazing device. I also like that I can sync Apple Music to the watch really giving a great value and eliminating the need to stream music all the time. Really like the velcro strap... I barely know it's there. Siri is definitely more useful now that it responds better. I will learn how to give voice commands for more tasks since it's so easy. I like how the experience pushes you to glance rather than staring at it constantly.
 
For sure. While it might work for a sport watch, those of us who went with stainless steel, Hermes, etc. or who want to wear the Apple Watch in a boardroom-type situation simply couldn't do so with the red dot. And for those suggesting a Sharpie, that's not exactly the ideal solution with a nice watch. The red dot is an abomination and must be destroyed.
There are vendors selling all colors of dot stickers you can use to cover it up..

I personally like the red dot though.
 
Agree almost totally with your comments. The Apple Watch will no more dislodge fine Swiss watches than the $25 quartz Casio was going to. I just don’t see a smartwatch (all brands & types) being very collectible, in that eventually the tech, battery, software etc will all eventually demise or become unsupported, plus they will become so ubiquitous and will have no exclusivity or rarity value.

Exactly. There isn’t a comparison to be made between the two. If you own a fine swiss piece that you paid thousands for you just do not buy it on a whim. You know what you are getting. You are buying into what the watch is and its history. Like buying a fine painting. You wouldn’t compare a digital frame to a fine painting even though it technically does more. The frame can show any painting or photo as long as you have a connection. The same rules apply. People will be buying fine artwork now and far into the future.


The Apple watch is a finely and impressive made device with alot of thought into its design from the mechanical watch world. But that is what it is. A device. Meant for function over form. I appreciate the design of the apple watch and the trational watchmaking elements that were incorporated into its design. A milanese loop tells me right away that apple did their home work.

Alot on here are comparing the two. When there isnt a comparison to be made nor should there be.
 
Well I didn’t....so get over yourself.

I never said anyone shouldn’t have or buy a smartwatch. I have my own thanks . You folks are way to sensitive in supporting your electronics supplier. I suggest you brush up your comprehension skills and go back and reread my post. The original post suggested there are three Watch purchase types, disposable, dress and a heirloom.....just because I think the AW (and all other smartwatch are the same) falls into the first category shouldn’t be an issue to anyone; it’s called having an opinion
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And about as much use as your post...stop being so patronisingly
I’m glad that we agree. Just because someone doesn’t share you’re opinion, doesn’t mean they are wrong. Even when their comprehension is limited to thinking there is only A, B or C.
Anytime you have someone who gets it, and someone who doesn’t, it’s hard to think the one who gets it is the dumb one.

*patronising
 
Not splitting hairs. Buying an Apple watch for $400 and wearing it every day makes more sense than buying a "dress" watch, hardly wearing it, then throwing it away one day. There are many people still wearing the original Apple watch after 2 1/2 years, and are still happy with it. They could update their watch every 2 to 4 years, wearing it every day, and it would be a smarter purchase than an heirloom that is hardly ever worn, and still one day disposed of, one way or another.
Just because you don't want one, doesn't make someone else wrong, or dumb for buying one. Just like it does not make you or someone's grandpa wrong for not buying one if you do not want one.
And...before you reply and say that you were not saying someone is wrong or dumb for buying one...you implied it.
Yes...you did.

This. I will get more utility out of an Apple Watch in 2-3 years than I will ever get out of a dress watch in an entire lifetime.

There’s value in that, even if nobody acknowledges or recognises it.
 
I’m glad that we agree. Just because someone doesn’t share you’re opinion, doesn’t mean they are wrong. Even when their comprehension is limited to thinking there is only A, B or C.
Anytime you have someone who gets it, and someone who doesn’t, it’s hard to think the one who gets it is the dumb one.

*patronising

You’re an interesting character....

*Not remotely true
 
So I can take a call with my watch? Lol if I don’t have my phone that means I don’t want to be bothered.

Taking the kids to the pool:

Option one, bring the phone and have it sit there and possibly get stolen or damaged.

Option two, wear a watch that can accept the call when someone is trying to reach you.
 
Yes, why not? I don’t stand there with my wrist raised for an hour like I’d do wasting time on my phone. Apple Watch interactions are quick. A glance, a quick Siri command, a couple of taps to check off some tasks, then lower my wrist. The beauty of having my daily computer be the one on my wrist means that I live in the real world, not behind a screen. When I need the power of the internet or a digital assistant, it’s just a wrist raise away. Then I return to the world around me.

My series 0 Watch lasts me all day with 20–30% battery left. The Series 3 will be far better since it is more efficient. LTE data is also minimal. It’s not transferring videos and large images like a phone does. It mostly transmits text for messages and notifications.
People who’s first response is “I always have my phone with me” will never understand what you are trying to say here. Not being able to mindlessly stare into a phone at mission critical stuff like FB at every opportunity is completely unfathomable in this day and age.
 
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Taking the kids to the pool:

Option one, bring the phone and have it sit there and possibly get stolen or damaged.

Option two, wear a watch that can accept the call when someone is trying to reach you.

It’s a case by case basis. If I’m taking my daughter to the pool I’m not answering the phone for anybody. They can reach me when I’m done having fun on my phone which is in my pool bag by the chair.
 
my grandfather always told me - only 3 types of watches. Disposable, Dress and the ones you buy to leave your grandkids.

A $399 chunky gadget watch made in Taiwan is non of those. well, unless you the kind of person who thinks coca-cola is a dinner drink.

Times have changed and many of our devices are now hybrids. A watch in your grandfather's time was primarily a single use device. Now days, not so much. Hell, even before the Apple Watch, there was the big category not included in your post covering important uses for time pieces in sports and the military.

With my office clock, the clock on my work and personal computers, the clock on both my smart phone and office phone, and in my car, and even displayed on signs along my driving route, knowing the general time is easy. It's called Apple Watch only because its worn on my wrist, just as the iPhone is a phone in so much as it's held in my hand like the phones of old. The Apple Watch is a computer that is primarily designed to focus on personal activities that need more precise, flexible, and broad timekeeping capabilities than was possible with a disposal, dress, or legacy watch in your grandfather's time.

As for heirlooms, not to ignore the joy of physical items, but while some of us might be able to afford to leave behind expensive gifts, almost all of us will be able to leave their grandkids terabytes of photos, videos, and documents related to their family and ancestors. And we are quickly approaching the point where 3D models of family members, friends, pets, and the family homes will be able to be captured on an affordable phone and shared to all. Being able to leave behind items of importance has been equalized across all income levels. I don't think this should be forgotten when speaking of modern conveniences.


It's amazing how fast we've gone from a Watch that was disappointingly slow to a Watch so fast and so full featured that it could become someone's daily driver computer — in just under 3 years.

Now, before you of little imagination outside of your own use cases call me crazy, yes, I'm planning on using my Apple Watch LTE as my main device. The one that I always have on me.

  • I use my iPhone to communicate — mostly iMessage. Email is less urgent and I need to be reachable by phone. The Apple Watch ticks all three boxes.
  • I use my iPhone to manage my to do list, my schedule and reminders. The Apple Watch ticks those three boxes as well.
  • I use my iPhone to get quick information or to make a quick calculation most of which I ask Siri and get an answer. Apple Watch does that too.
  • I use my iPhone to control my home with HomeKit, to pay for things with ApplePay and to listen to music with AirPods. Yep, Apple Watch does all of those.
  • I use my iPhone to stay connected with the world. I like to know about breaking news. I check Twitter periodically and have a few news apps that send me notifications when there's breaking news. Well, the Apple Watch does that.
  • I also use my iPhone for things I'd rather not waste my time on but do so because it's right there: scrolling through Facebook/Instagram newsfeeds and watching videos that do nothing but kill time. I don't need my Apple Watch to do any of those and I'm looking forward to not having that temptation in my pocket. Facebook/Instagram/YouTube can wait until I'm in front of my computer or sitting on the couch with an iPad.
So, why do I need an iPhone again? For work. But work is a scheduled activity and since it’s predictable, I can do better than an iPhone: I can carry an iPad when I'm working.
How about a camera? Ok, now we're on to something. I like having a camera with me when something photo worthy shows up. But I'm a photographer and I'm picky. So I usually carry a much better equipped SLR with me.

Now, all this is to say that my Apple Watch can become my daily driver, not that I will forbid myself from ever carrying an iPhone. But just like most of us don't carry our MacBooks around everywhere, choosing to grab my iPhone can become just that, a choice, not a critical must carry device.

And there it is. Although we all must have some type of computer in order to operation in modern society, all of us have different needs. Some of us need powerful workstations with three monitors. Others just need the ability to be accessible and capable of communicating when we're at the park feeding the pigeons, taking the kids out in the stroller for a walk, or at the gym getting swole.
 
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Its not overblown as Apple insider put it"LTE has been the main selling point of the Series 3, despite Wi-Fi-only models being available. The technology allows the Watch to operate more independently of an iPhone, for instance making calls, sending texts, and using Siri and Apple Maps."
And the wifi is my wifi at my house that it connects to even if my phone is off! I bought the watch primarily because I was under the assumption that if I wanted too, I could have it on LTE all day, if I wanted, with the knowledge that if I used it for phone calls I would be in for a rude awaking with the battery life!

I have used it for the last two days and Haven’t had any issues with it connecting from WiFi. I also went for a 5 mile morning run with no phone to truly test if I would have any lte issues and the watch worked as advertised. I bought my watch through Verizon and also had no issues setting it up, I would say everything was seamless. And I’m upgrading from a series 0.
 
Well I didn’t....so get over yourself.

I never said anyone shouldn’t have or buy a smartwatch. I have my own thanks . You folks are way to sensitive in supporting your electronics supplier. I suggest you brush up your comprehension skills and go back and reread my post. The original post suggested there are three Watch purchase types, disposable, dress and a heirloom.....just because I think the AW (and all other smartwatch are the same) falls into the first category shouldn’t be an issue to anyone; it’s called having an opinion
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And about as much use as your post...stop being so patronisingly

Yeah, I felt bad about the snark, although I think the point is valid. I couldn’t resist because people are always creating these false categories, and these categories were especially bad because they’re based on the past. The Apple Watch is a new category, and is about as similar to a mechanical wristwatch as a smartphone is to a regular phone. Try to lump them together, and you’re going to miss the point.
 
So much arguing in this thread. Why are we comparing a smart watch and old watches? Show me a Rolex that has health tracking. Just because someone doesn’t like it doesn’t mean it’s bad.
 
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You will not find a young person, old person or anyone in between that would take a apple watch over a omega or a rolex.
Oh my. Not I. I’m not a collector of anything. I value experience and creative work and am minimizing my possessions (a process that digitization enhances).
 
I want.

But my damn Original Apple Watch keeps working flawlessly!

I agree with you. Having an original and now the Series 3, I'm so far sorely disappointed in the Series 3, the mess trying to get the cellular set up on AT&T at least having purchased it through Apple was a 2 1/2 hour nightmare. With no real explanations provided by Apple why it wouldn't work on the watch directly or AT&T for that matter. Though now I have a new phone number for just the watch. Hmmm. I wonder why that is?
 
You will not find a young person, old person or anyone in between that would take a apple watch over a omega or a rolex.

LOL. I own an Omega. It was my father's until he passed 20+ years ago. It sits under a glass dome as a nice memento.

I could buy as many new Omega watches as I wish... but I don't really care. I'm interested in fulfiment of requirements and the advances in technology have left simple chronographs way behind.

Nothing wrong if those make you happy, but don't be so silly as to assume everyone thinks the same way.
 
Really happy with mine so far, minus the issues with ATT at first. Coming from a series 0 the speed improvements on this device are worth the upgrade alone. Provided the WIFI / GPS version is equally fast, I say it is a worthwhile upgrade.

Cellular signal has been good in my use, and calls I have made have been done without others noticing anything. In fact, people were amazed (as they were with my Series 0) that I was talking to them on a watch.

Siri being able to respond back via voice is a MUCH appreciated upgrade now too!

Again my experience was a nightmare setting up Cellular, further the wifi doesn't work well at all and certainly not alone. The whole experience with the Cellular since I'm in a spotty area is a disaster. Most of the time it won't work, the wifi, never seems to work and if my phone isn't in proximity it's just a pretty piece of jewelry on my wrist, I'm reverting to my Series 0 until I see some serious improvements.
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I’ve had both Series 1 and 2 and now 3 with LTE. Mannnnn Series 3 is a beast. Coming
From 2 to 3 I noticed huge speed gains. Only took me 5 minutes or less to add the watch to my ATT plan. Easy As pie.
Wish I had your experience 12 hours later and a 2 1/2 hour phone call, it's now working, but now the problem it won't hold a cellular connection worth anything and the wifi can't seem to find it either.
 
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