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it's just a pretty piece of jewelry on my wrist,

So.... kinda like an Rolex or Omega? :)

Sorry you're in a fringe reception area where it doesn't seem to be working for you. Hopefully a new version or local cell improvements will change things for you.
 
Well i held both in my hand at the same time and opened the same apps and there was little to no difference between the two in my estimation. Never said the difference from the S0 to the S3 was not ridiculous. Nor did i compare the two. You seem to be confusing yourself with that fact. I directly compared a S2 with a S3. I held both in my hand and opened the same apps on each unit and there was very little to zero difference in opening the apps and using them between the two watches. I am not saying the series 3 isn’t faster it is. I didn’t feel there was enough of a real world difference between the two.


In reality there is very little difference in real world usage between them as far as opening apps and real world usage. That is to me in my opinion. I considered the red dot annoying so i returned the series 3.

I like the black onyx crown which you can find on a traditional watch over the cheaper plastic red one. I like the apple watch for the fact that apple incorporated alot of elements of traditional watch making in the apple watch. That is what impressed me initially and continue to impress me with the series 2. Hopefully they fix this in the next version of the watch.Like the way the crown mimics a traditional screw down crown, like the build quality of the 316L steel and yes the black onyx not plastic crown. If you are not a watch collector you likely would not notice nor appreciate those fine touches that apple has made.

Now did they just try and save money or was it function over form? I dont know but i personally did not like it. To each their own. Enjoy your red dot in good health.

The only reason I mentioned the S0 was because I was someone who was coming from a S0 to a S3, and WOW what a MASSIVE difference. It is like going from Windows 95 to macOS, haha. My apologies to you sir for not making that clear. I am still baffled though at how you did not notice a real world difference going from a S2 to S3, as many people on MacRumors (and other places) have said they could not believe the performance increase. Like I said, maybe you had a faulty unit, or something wrong (deep down) with watchOS 4 that caused to not feel as snappy? Who knows? I am just glad to be off a S0 and am going to really enjoy being able to swim with my watch, and not have to have my iPhone with me at ALL times though I usually have my iPhone with me most of the time.

Sorry your experience with the Series 3 was not as great as mine, and many, many others! Godspeed!

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Can I buy the LTE and NOT use it as LTE ? just the bluetooth ?
maybe later I get the cellular plan if I want to get it ?
I do fancy the red knob.
Just don't go though the set up cellular and voila, you have no cellular just gps, 16 gb and wifi, when it works. The wifi is having a terrible time unfortunately
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I’m not sure this is the problem they’re trying to fix. What they’re trying to fix is the watch having no connection when it’s out and about because it’s connecting to poor WiFi connections. It will always connect to trusted WiFi connections....much like your phone does. Otherwise it’d use data needlessly and the battery would plummet.

Anyway...don’t you have WiFi calling?
Again most of you folks don't have the problem that I have experience in 2 days, unable to connect to known wifi networks to actually use it independently of my iPhone, so no, the wifi calling isn't working because it won't connect properly to a known wifi network, instead it seems to get stuck in a loop of never ending not finding a valid wifi
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Can someone advise if third party notifications come in when on LTE and away from the watch. Do you receive Facebook , WhatsApp , CNN, Gmail notifications etc
Sometimes, but it's still fighting with every know wifi network if your LTE/Cellular isn't working well
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Listen I have talked to apple about my phone being off at home and the watch connecting to wifi and not LTE.. they said that this issue along with the unauthorized connecting will be fixed in the software update.
We can only hope it is sooner than later, the Series 3 becomes a big lump of steel and sapphire on my wrist in the meantime.
 
Not enough places in NYC take Apple Pay for it to be much more than an occasional payment option. But interesting to use a digital lock. That would be nice.

I'm probably going to upgrade my Series 0 Apple Watch with a 3, but likely not the LTE version. I like having my phone with me because of all its huge amount of functionality. So even though I wouldn't notice the extra $10 per month on my cell bill, it just seems like a waste of money.

I guess I hit it lucky here in Toronto. Everyone accepts Apple Pay — from the large stores to the local food truck. Anywhere that accepts card payments (which is pretty much any business) also accepts ApplePay. It’s ubiquitous.

Oh, and adding an LTE Apple Watch to my plan is only $5... Canadian. :D
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People who’s first response is “I always have my phone with me” will never understand what you are trying to say here. Not being able to mindlessly stare into a phone at mission critical stuff like FB at every opportunity is completely unfathomable in this day and age.

Right. It’s not like I’m deciding to go back to 1995 and giving up on the opportunity to have the power of the internet on me at all times. What I’m giving up — voluntarily — is wasting my time on useless activities that having a screen in my pocket inevitably leads to. My eyes will be in front of me, looking at the world around me, not at a screen.

For specialized information like news for example, WatchOS apps are very capable of keeping me just as connected as if I were on an iPhone but the fact that it’s on my wrist and on a small screen with only the most important information presented, means that my interactions will be brief, limited to only getting the necessary information I’m looking for and then lowering my wrist and returning to being present.

As a replacement for having a burning question that needs answers right away, Siri can handle the majority of questions I’d need to know on my day to day. Apple has always aimed at having Siri become the “find me an answer” to Google’s “find me a list of sites that might have answers”. I think the former is better.

Finally, Siri’s AI can predict what info I’ll need to know when I need to know it. That’s the point of a digital assistant. And Siri as a digital assistant is a better experience on watchOS 4 than it is on the iPhone.
 
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Just don't go though the set up cellular and voila, you have no cellular just gps, 16 gb and wifi, when it works. The wifi is having a terrible time unfortunately
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Again most of you folks don't have the problem that I have experience in 2 days, unable to connect to known wifi networks to actually use it independently of my iPhone, so no, the wifi calling isn't working because it won't connect properly to a known wifi network, instead it seems to get stuck in a loop of never ending not finding a valid wifi
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Sometimes, but it's still fighting with every know wifi network if your LTE/Cellular isn't working well
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We can only hope it is sooner than later, the Series 3 becomes a big lump of steel and sapphire on my wrist in the meantime.

The problem was connecting to wifi networks that you used before that requires some action on your part to use that network(the reason it can get stuck, the network is stoping everything waiting for a response). If you never used that type of network you will never see the problem. Watch only connects to LTE when you are out or in and no trusted wifi networks are available...simple....the same way your iPhone would work.....
 
There are vendors selling all colors of dot stickers you can use to cover it up..

I personally like the red dot though.

That's true, but I'm not going to spend as much as the stainless steel model costs and then put a sticker on it. In this case, I'll pass altogether (and I was planning to upgrade before I saw the red dot).
 
my grandfather always told me - only 3 types of watches. Disposable, Dress and the ones you buy to leave your grandkids.

A $399 chunky gadget watch made in Taiwan is non of those. well, unless you the kind of person who thinks coca-cola is a dinner drink.
Your grandfather was wrong.
 
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I am so disappointed that LTE version is not available in Singapore.
I am wondering why the recent new features like News app, TV app and this LTE version Apple Watch are not available in Singapore at their first launch.
 
I guess at this point the LTE is just... the equivalent of sticking the marker in the ground to say you got there. I don't think the functionality within the watch is entirely sufficient yet to make it something you can use entirely standalone, but I have no doubt that Apple will continue to refine it and improve it substantially over the next few years. I'm sure a lot of people would be happy enough to get to the point on a night out to leave the phone at home and just have their watch which could handle calls, messages, Uber, payments, etc..
 
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I guess at this point the LTE is just... the equivalent of sticking the marker in the ground to say you got there. I don't think the functionality within the watch is entirely sufficient yet to make it something you can use entirely standalone, but I have no doubt that Apple will continue to refine it and improve it substantially over the next few years. I'm sure a lot of people would be happy enough to get to the point on a night out to leave the phone at home and just have their watch which could handle calls, messages, Uber, payments, etc..
I’m sure the series 3 could handle that now for a few hours on a night out right ?
 
my grandfather always told me - only 3 types of watches. Disposable, Dress and the ones you buy to leave your grandkids.

A $399 chunky gadget watch made in Taiwan is non of those. well, unless you the kind of person who thinks coca-cola is a dinner drink.

Which surely means your grandfather was wrong?
 
my grandfather always told me - only 3 types of watches. Disposable, Dress and the ones you buy to leave your grandkids.

A $399 chunky gadget watch made in Taiwan is non of those. well, unless you the kind of person who thinks coca-cola is a dinner drink.
My great-grandfather told me there’s only three types of horse-drawn vehicle. Trap, Cart, and Carriage.
 
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Design wise, the new Apple Watch LTE models are almost identical to the Series 2 models, with the exception of a 0.25mm thicker back glass
Apple... makes your phone thinner (so the camera protrudes) and your watch thicker. Reason#1 I wouldn't buy a smart watch: thickness - reason #2 battery runtime.

Still waiting for an Apple watch light that skips the HRV sensor and other stuff, but focuses on notifications & design. That's would I would expect from Apple. That would also increase the battery life to a few days if not even weeks. Apple needs to optimize the watch SoC/SiP and OS for efficiency rather than adding RAM and raw CPU power, probably manufacture the chip at intel with their superior manufacturing technology for maximum battery runtime.
 
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Can we PLEASE stop calling these watches "series (insert number)"? It's just ridiculous. Just because Apple's marketing team thought it was a good idea does not mean you all have to go along with it.

Apple Watch, Apple Watch 2 and Apple Watch 3. Much easier to understand, much less contrived and much, much more logical.
 
On what planet is 6 hours use acceptable. 48 hrs - 100 hrs is the sweet spot for a smart watch not 6hr. BROKEN.
 
Again my experience was a nightmare setting up Cellular, further the wifi doesn't work well at all and certainly not alone. The whole experience with the Cellular since I'm in a spotty area is a disaster. Most of the time it won't work, the wifi, never seems to work and if my phone isn't in proximity it's just a pretty piece of jewelry on my wrist, I'm reverting to my Series 0 until I see some serious improvements..

Again?

When did we communicate before this?

Sorry to hear that your experience has been less than stellar. Going into my 3rd day with the device, I am really happy with how it is working in my use case. I can report it does tend to favor WiFi, however it has been connecting to known (to my iCloud account) WiFi networks, and I have continued to be reachable by friends / family while away from my phone

I was able to leave my phone in the car while visiting my mom Hospital, while out with friends at dinner, and while out later with friends at a brewery. I made 4 calls using my airpods, responded to text messages, and did other watch only activities throuought the day. By the time I returned home last evening 9pm, the watch still had 50% battery.

There were glitches for sure, however I am really happy with their first cellular model so far.
 
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I'm going to post my review of this Watch. I'm going from an S0 Sport, and got an S3 Sport with LTE.

I think it is an amazing upgrade. The battery life is also insane. Friday night I put it on charge at 88%. That was with 90 minutes on LTE, received a few iMessages while on LTE and responded, along with a 45 minute workout. I decided to charge it overnight Friday night. Saturday morning got up around 3:00am about 2 hours of LTE, and other mixed uses throughout the day, I ended the day at 82%, so I decided not to charge it, and put it in Theater mode and Airplane mode, and wore it to bed (used same modes on my S0). Sunday was another day of mixed usage.

Today is Monday, and I still have yet to charge it, and I'm at 57%.

Needless to say, I'm not complaining.

PS, I like the red dot on the crown.
 
You might want to be careful with the model you buy. Looking at the requirements for the new 3 series:

  • Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) requires an iPhone 6 or later with iOS 11 or later. Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS) requires an iPhone 5s or later with iOS 11 or later. Apple Watch Series 1 requires an iPhone 5s or later with iOS 11 or later.

https://www.apple.com/watch/compare/

I'm currently using an original S0 AW with my iPhone 5s and was thinking about upgrading to the series 3 AW. I currently have the SBSS(space black stainless steel) version and wanted another SBSS AW. I don't care about the LTE functions, but the SS watches are only available as LTE models. I guess this means that I can't use it even though I won't use the LTE functions.

I would like a speed boost from my original AW and the GPS would come in handy. Maybe I'll just search around for a SBSS series 2 model instead. (I don't want an aluminum AW.)
Thanks for the catch. I was wondering about that . . . hmmm . . . so I get my wife the new iPhone, I take over her iPhone 6, and move to the Apple Watch (though I'd still be spending over $1000 for all that . . . grrr . . .).
 
Thanks for the catch. I was wondering about that . . . hmmm . . . so I get my wife the new iPhone, I take over her iPhone 6, and move to the Apple Watch (though I'd still be spending over $1000 for all that . . . grrr . . .).
or get a samsung gear fit with 48hrs battery, GPS and online music storage. Everything you actually need all for around £79
 
I guess I hit it lucky here in Toronto. Everyone accepts Apple Pay — from the large stores to the local food truck. Anywhere that accepts card payments (which is pretty much any business) also accepts ApplePay. It’s ubiquitous.

Oh, and adding an LTE Apple Watch to my plan is only $5... Canadian. :D
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Right. It’s not like I’m deciding to go back to 1995 and giving up on the opportunity to have the power of the internet on me at all times. What I’m giving up — voluntarily — is wasting my time on useless activities that having a screen in my pocket inevitably leads to. My eyes will be in front of me, looking at the world around me, not at a screen.

For specialized information like news for example, WatchOS apps are very capable of keeping me just as connected as if I were on an iPhone but the fact that it’s on my wrist and on a small screen with only the most important information presented, means that my interactions will be brief, limited to only getting the necessary information I’m looking for and then lowering my wrist and returning to being present.

As a replacement for having a burning question that needs answers right away, Siri can handle the majority of questions I’d need to know on my day to day. Apple has always aimed at having Siri become the “find me an answer” to Google’s “find me a list of sites that might have answers”. I think the former is better.

Finally, Siri’s AI can predict what info I’ll need to know when I need to know it. That’s the point of a digital assistant. And Siri as a digital assistant is a better experience on watchOS 4 than it is on the iPhone.

That is a great price. $10 a month here in the U.S. And Apple Pay is very hit or miss, though Cabs now have it which would be one of the key issues on a run that goes badly with a sprained ankle or something like that.
 
Swiss watches are great (I own an Omega Seamaster) But I can count on two hands the number of times I have worn it.
As smart watches get better and more rugged, the Swiss watch will move to the museum unless they get on the smart watch playing field. I also see the day coming when the smart watch will have a basic info mode that will last weeks instead of days.
 
I've had my LTE Apple Watch for a few days now. First off, no issues with Verizon signing it up with my plan. I've used it primarily for running and it has worked better than I expected. It's true that it's not a phone substitute, and I expected this to happen, but there are some areas where I used to run with my phone and had no signal issues, not so much with the Watch. It is very minimal signal cutoffs but you can't expect a watch to perform EXACTLY like a phone. I'm pretty sure this have smaller antennas, hence the less than ideal signal.

Now, I go running with my Watch and AirPods and I find myself just running further without having to worry about a heavy, bulky phone dancing around in my pocket. I hated those arm bands so I never use them.

So far so good, I'm very happy with this Watch and I'm sure others will follow suit to copy what Apple has done. I could be wrong, others may or may not have done this before that I'm not aware of. Don't bite my head off if I misspoke.
 
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There have been a few cellular-connected watches. Samsung and LG have each dabbled in the market I believe, though I'm not aware of how much success they have or haven't had.

Historically Apple often hasn't been the first to release a product in a market segment which they later came to dominate (at least in a revenue/profits aspect). The ipod wasn't the first portable hard-disk MP3 player. The iphone wasn't the first "smartphone" combining phone/pda capabilities.
 
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