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Happy 20th Birthday!

Originally posted by beatle888
you said in your post, before the one above, that you were waiting for apple to release a newer system before you buy. yet your willing to purchase a pc at this point? isnt the mac one of the fastest pc's you could get right now? wouldnt your new windows pc be a bit slower or at most as fast as a new mac?

im just confused as to why you say you wont get a mac unless apple releases a new system in the immediate future. macs are already as good or better (depending on point of view) as a windows pc.

anyway good luck. im sure a windows pc will be fine...but, since my computer is my lively hood, i would rather compute in style and quality with well thought out execution to every detail instead of um......well, i'll stop there.
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I didn't say that I wouldn't get the mac - but I won't. Also, computing in style and $.49 still won't buy a Coke - that argument has absolutely no bearing on a computers usablility or worth on any given project.

Not to get inot a speed war, but I think the fastest Mac is hard pressed to compete against the fastest pc - again, that is totally irrelevent if the machine is fast enough to get the work done.
 
Originally posted by Mr. Anderson


Tuesday has always been the day....

D :p
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Yes, you are right. But I thought that the 20th anniversary could be somehow special. So is the difference if they release tomorrow just another speed bump for e.g. the G5 from any other release that has happend on any tuesday ?

Maybe there are logistic problems/reasons behind.
 
Originally posted by dashiel
a computer only becomes obsolete when it can no longer accomplish the tasks it was designed to do.
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people insatiable need for "top of the line" has more to do with ego than actual need and ultimately proves to be an unfulfilling quest, how long do computers remain top of the line these days 6-7 months?
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Normally I would agree, but I need something that will run LOTS of VST virtual instruments, and quite frankly I need the fastest I can afford right now.

If I had gone ahead and bought a Dual 2Ghz as I was planning to do two weeks ago, I would have been very upset if a faster model that I could have afforded came out just after I had spent all that money.

They did it to me last year - I bought (stupidly) a 12" iBook 800 (I like laptops to be small) right before Commercemas 2002 - three weeks later in 2003 the new 12" Powerbooks were announed which was most annoying, especially because if I'd waited three weeks I would have saved some money.

As luck would have it my iBook died due to the dreaded logic board failure a month before it's warranty was up and the place where I bought it (PC World in the UK - strange I know but I don't live near any Apple Stores and as Apple price fix, it's all apples and oranges (pun intended)) screwed up the repair by sitting on it for 28 days. They had to refund my money to spend in the shop, and they just happened to have new 1Ghz 12" Powerbooks in...which is what I am now writing this on.

I've always liked OS X, but I like Panther so much, as I need to overhaul my studio, along with Steinberg rather (suspiciously?) offering both PC and OS X versions of all their software in the same package lately (just got SX2.0 delivered through today - PC and OS X version in the same box - can't complain with that) that I have decided to switch to Mac.

I have taken out a loan with the aim of buying the absolute best machine I can afford as it's going to be lasting me a few years, but I don't want to find out that after all that trouble and expense, I could have gotten something better by waiting a week.
 
Originally posted by dashiel
a computer only becomes obsolete when it can no longer accomplish the tasks it was designed to do. i use a dual 500Mhz G4 and 667Mhz powerbook, everyday for work, despite being 4 and 2 years old respectively they are not obsolete.

people insatiable need for "top of the line" has more to do with ego than actual need and ultimately proves to be an unfulfilling quest, how long do computers remain top of the line these days 6-7 months?
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...come on friend. I have a mac SE that i can still do word processing on (which is my number one use on a computer) are you saying that just because my mac se can still word process, that its not obsolete next to my G5? i think your idea of obsolete is wrong.
I dont think that people necessarily have an insatiable need for top of the line components. I just think that when people want to fork out 3 or 4 big ones, they want it to be justifiable! and not on what is older tech. Yes, that purchase will be outdated in 7 months or less, but to get a product that is ALREADY outdated for that kind of money would be a horrible experience.
which is why there is so much anticipation at times like these, when there are possibly updates coming.
I have owned 6 macs. The only one that i still own is the Mac SE. ive had an indigo imac, ti powerbook, 17 in imac, 12 in powerbook, and a 17 in powerbook. Each that ive owned, ive used for a certain period of time, then posted on Yahoo classifieds. I have sold each one of them at a price which was sufficient to pay for at least 85% of the next models price(except the 12 pb for 17)
why do i practice this? well, yes i like the newer better stuff. why? it works better.
i spent a very long time with my Mac SE before i started this practice. I was a believer of squeezing every last bit of life out of these products. But the practice of selling them while they still have good value- then getting the newer stuff is much more rewarding.
WILL great updates come today, or tomorrow, or at the superbowl??? WHO knows. But its worth the wait
 
why should upgrades be announced at the superbowl? The original ad was announcing a completely new way of doing things, not a speed bump.

And why tie a global brand into a very odd sport only played seriously in the US?

...or are we all Americans now?
 
well, Apple is VERY American. In fact you could even say that Apple is VERY Californian. OR you could even say that Apple is VERY Silicon Valley (cupertino/san jose) (if you look at apple packaging, you can usually find a little sticker that says designed by apple in California)
Many product and service availability from apple see their 'DEBUT' in the United States. It would only make sense to announce the debut of a product or significant update at one of the most watched television events in the US.
 
I think that was valid 20 years ago, but not now.

And Apple is global - where are the machines manufactured? (Not in a garage, I'd wager....)
 
Originally posted by Jonnod III
I think that was valid 20 years ago, but not now.

And Apple is global - where are the machines manufactured? (Not in a garage, I'd wager....)
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well, they are manufactured in the same place almost ALL electronics are manufactured.
20 years ago? Well, lets take a look at two very recent products and services.
Perfect case- itunes and ipod mini.
how many millions of songs have been sold to US customers on iTunes?
-europe, other countries yet?

take a look at the ipod mini add on apple.com
-available to buy Now, worldwide in April
 
Apple is very global, yes. Im saying that updates, and new products see their availability debut in the US. Which is why it only makes sense to advertise them in the US
 
Originally posted by slimshady101
Where in the world is NeatGekko ?
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he recanted his story for this month so he still has a few days. I wonder how he is with that hand he promised to chew off. He may have passed out with all that blood loss. if we dont hear anything tomorrow then i guess it will be feb1.:confused:
 
I'd not like to take a dab at him but his comment about the iPod mini was indeed correct. There wasnt a 2GB ver and the price he said was exact. I know his other comments did not come true but they might be some kind of Apple's way of sudden change in plans.

As much I would like to believe his comments somehow I feel I might be disappointed. 3GHz G5 ! Yay ! No wait ! Ok, whatever we'll see soon...
 
Ok Ok,

I give in, the Supper Bowl is the best sporting occasion in the universe (apart from golf-cart hunting on Mars).

The USA gave us the Mac and all who sail in her.
Bow to the great USA.

now - just remind me who designed the funky Apple gear - oh yes, a Brit!

Cool the ardent natinoalsim and celebrate the 20th Birthday of a world beating brand!
 
Not a good day

Well, I am a bit upset at so many changes in the release date of the G5's. Its not a matter of product supply, but more of price. The next G5 update will most definatly bring 3GHZ G5's. Dates have come and gone with prices that failed to meet expectations. This mess could all be avoided if the only place to buy a mac was on apples site or one of thier stores...but its a bit more complicated as we all know. The new line up will feature 4 models instead of the current 3. The top of the line(3GHZ) will be premium priced...so maybe those waiting could save a few extra bills for that new system. I would like to say sorry again for the fluctuations in release date but its not my fault...don't have that much power. *smiles* However you can all rejoice at the fact that 3GHZ G5's are coming. I am hopeful that negotiations will end on a positive note (besides the inevitable loss of jobs...) and we will see the release this week. Cheers
 
Re: Not a good day

Originally posted by NeatGekko
Well, I am a bit upset at so many changes in the release date of the G5's. Its not a matter of product supply, but more of price. The next G5 update will most definatly bring 3GHZ G5's. Dates have come and gone with prices that failed to meet expectations.....


That doesn't make much sense to me. Why would Apple have to negotiate price with outside distribution channels? One would think that Apple knows what their numbers are (e.g. break-even, anticipated volumes, etc.) and set the price accordingly. Am I missing something?
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Price problems

The price problem comes when you release an updated product...what happens to the prices of the current high end model and such. There are going to be 4 models now...its a little more complicated.
 
NeatGekko, what about G5 P'Books ? I'll NOT quote you on this but like you said we'll see 3GHz G5s soon. So what about G5 P'Books ? :rolleyes:
 
I would guess its a supply and demand thing. if apple comes out with a single 2.2,a dual 2.4 dual 2.6 and as neatgekko stated a dual 3.0 all those dealers that have the older models might have to sell them near cost. how many older 130nm are out there? we allready know of the new 90nm process so that has to be sold next to the older 130nm process. what if all new models are duals? what are the price points? a lot of things to consider for apple.
 
im expecting something remeniscent of the 20th anniversary mac from 1997 expect wih the new metal type theme and g5s probably a superdrive too:D also apples probably trying to blind side us with a delay to prevent the same fiasco they had with the g5s being exposed
 
Originally posted by dashiel
you know that just because apple brings out a 2.4 Ghz G5 next week doesn't make the current G5 obsolete or anything less than a great machine. there must have been something about apple's current offerings that made you "look forward to moving back to a mac". you can't win with the game you're playing, 3-5 years from now apple will be "on the verge of announcing speed bumped G6/7s" and you'll be in the exact same position.

if you like the current G5s but are really that worried a better machine will come out in the next month or two, buy one of the refurbed units, they'll set you back about $2400 ($100 less than a new dual 1.8).
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Yep, couldn't agree more! If you're always waiting for the next best thing, well, you'll always be waiting! And never happy. But, there are always people out there like that - always wanting the next best thing, never happy... Glad I'm not one of them.
 
Originally posted by Skiniftz
That's not the point though - if I'm going to spend over $4000 on a machine (£2299 in the UK) then I want the top end and I definitely do not want to find out that the machine I just bought is obsolete in a few days and that for the same money I could have gotten something faster.
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So you're saying if a 2.6 GHz G5 is announced in the next little while that my friend's Dual 2.0 GHz G5 that he recently bought is obsolete? Hmm, so what does that make my uncle's 800 MHz G4 iMac? They still operate as quickly as ever, and do everything their users need them to do. If you absolutely need a top of the line computer, okay, be my guest, but as a previous poster said, lots of the time people who "need" top of the line systems only "need" it to satisfy their egos, not their actually working requirements. My friend's Dual 2.0 GHz G5 is faster than anything I or he could ever need right now, and will be for the next few years.

By that reasoning, I guess someone better tell Virginia Tech that their supercomputer, the one that's 3rd fastest in the world is obsolete. Man, won't they feel foolish and behind the times with that old, slow, obsolete technology.... :rolleyes:

Edit: Just read your reply above - my fault for not reading it prior to posting. Due to ther nature of your work, I understand your situation better, and admittedly got a bit carried away in my reply. I still stand by the basis of my statements though. ;)
 
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