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Has Apple become complacent?
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Right, right. Sheep people don't know what they want. But they sure don't have a problem telling independent survey folks about how much they love their iPhones....
That's OK then. You do need it so obviously every other person in the world will too.
Where did I say I need it.
It isn't a deal breaker to me, but cut and paste would be a useful addition to the iPhone. The iPhone is already a good phone, what is the problem with wanting it to be better?
Point well taken LOL!
Nothing is ever so simple. Is it really hard to understand that I love the iPhone but hate Apple's unwillingness to address some very basic shortcomings?
When people whine about battery life or 3G coverage, I tend to be unsympathetic because these problems aren't unique to the iPhone. But we're talking about functions that have been widely available on every other smartphone for years. Apple's unwillingess to implement them smacks of a kind of paternalism that really grates on me.
Poor choice of words on my part -- I was trying to capture Apple's attitude of telling customers what they want. But why does what I'm saying preclude loving the iPhone? Can't loving it include wanting it to be better?
Absolutely.
And if the OP ever took time to acknowledge that point in his posts, I don't think he'd get half the flack that he typically gets when he posts.
i bought an iphone because i wanted it for what it could do... not what i wish it could do.
Amen +1. Even if they did add MMS and Copy/Paste, people would still find something to complain about and then blame it on Apple.
Hmmm good post except its based entirely on a stereotype. Want a more accurate stereotype? Teenagers know more than their fathers about technology, and with the same technology in hand (whatever it may be) a teenager can typically be 10 times more productive, in a far shorter period of time, and they can adapt to new technology far more quickly as well.
Note: this is also a stereotype, although I think it's more true than yours.
Here is how I see it. A lot of people who bought the iPhone (like me) fully recognized its technological shortcomings; however, for people like me, it made more sense to buy a phone to do simple tasks in everyday life. I don't really have an interest in running the command line in my everyday life. In fact, I hate technology because it often only gives the illusion of efficiency. You spend all your time fixing or tweaking a computer or a device, so that eventually it might be efficient, but that illusion never reveals itself. This is coming from someone with extensive experience in web development, some software systems development, and someone who has been using computers daily for most of his life. I prefer the iPhone because it allows me to get done what I need to get done - check/type emails, browse the internet, communicate with people (phone and sms), and enjoy some of my media (iPod, YouTube). I didn't buy it because it's a processing powerhouse, a number crunching daemon, I bought it because as someone who doesn't want to waste any more time in front of a phone screen than I have to, the iPhone made the most sense. I take direct offense to your comments because you're implying that A) I'm a teenager or a housewife, and B) I don't know anything about technology. I am quite certain I am not a housewife, and sadly I'm no longer a teenager either, but I am sure as hell I know more about technology than most (including you, I would wager). So stop insulting iPhone owners - because unlike people like you we bought it because we knew what it did and didn't do (and although we might gripe about small things), and we're still happy with our product choice. Can you say the same?
Edit: and there is a difference between technically and technologically. I think you meant the latter. Might want to edit your post...
I'm not going to buy an iPhone until it can mix my drinks and fetch my slippers. I don't understand why Apple hasn't implemented these features. They're losing a lot of customers, like me.
ey calm down. two-button mouse took 20 years at apple. hopefully we would be alive by the introduction of mms and copypaste.
I make very close to six figures in salary and IMO this phone is expensive. A $200 phone (for 8GB iPhone) is expensive, especially when you factor in the data plan. Tell me what normal teen can afford that on their own?
You just knowing of geeks who have the iPhone doesn't say much. I can say like this, looking at the sales figures, there's not enough geeks to make up even 10% of the sales
I'd like to see your figures. You're pulling what you're currently posting out of your anus, I think. And, the same can apply to you...you must know a lot of housewives and teens (and not so much about geeks). Me knowing geeks in IT with iPhones says a great deal, IMO. None of those guys use their iPhone to troubleshoot...they've better tools for that.
You can be a geek and not know (initially) how to use the phone. I definitely had to adjust to the iPhone...it is NOT a traditional phone and I most certainly am a geek. A tool can be geeky and still not have copy/paste functionality (give me a freakin' break)...if a person needs functionality to do the job, they should use the proper tool. I'd not be using an iPhone to shell into a router, for example, not when most techs are issued notebooks to do such troubleshooting.
It's a freaking phone. If you need that much functionality to get your geek-on, there are other phones out there that you may need to look into. I can geek out with this phone easily. I've telnet'd into my public web server and made changes on the fly with telnet alone. It was slow, even using a wifi connection, and I had to hunt and peck at the keyboard to issue my commands (while waiting for them to show 2 sec after pressing a key). Even if you had cut/paste, you'd still have to deal with latency issues and the fact that you have to use a virtual keyboard to type your commands. I had the same issue with my Zaurus SL5500, though...even with a real keyboard, typing commands was slow enough to where I wouldn't want to troubleshoot that way every day (or even every week).
But you are sitting here griping about bug fixes when in fact everyone benefits from them. So what's your problem? Do you want Apple to fix bugs or allow you to do as you please?
I'll take a functional phone, thanks.
Most teens I know are on family plans (that cover their voice + text needs) and only have to cough-up for some of the cost of the data plan.
Before the iPhone came out, one of the most popular teen phone was (still might be) the Sidekick. Until a year or so when they came out with a super-cheap model, its MSRP was around $199, and its monthly data plan was $20. It's now $25. Now here comes the iPhone 3G with pretty much the same MSRP and a data plan that's only slightly more expensive. I don't think it's so far fetched to see teens being a good iPhone 3G market.
Eh, I'm a developer, not an English professor. Besides, the point got across and actually I am fairly happy with my product choice. Funny how everyone hates having to be politically correct until they can use it as a point of an argument, isn't it?
I was going to type this huge diatribe about my motives buy hey, screw it. I have my reasons for wanting Apple's ear about the iPhone. If ya'll think it's great and Allah himself couldn't do a better job, great. Go argue with a wall. If I feel the need to be judged, I'll call someone up to the job.
What does being an English professor (which I am not), have to do with not using ignorant stereotypes to try to justify your claims? I have no problem with you wanted to improve the device, non whatsoever, and I have a laundry list of improvements of my own. Look maybe I came off the wrong way, I didn't really intend to get angry at you specifically. But it's just that the iPhone is a phone, and a lot of people are taking the whole debate about features way out of context. I'm sorry I don't mean to fight with you or to suggest you don't know what you're talking about - I'm just frustrated that it's like people either criticize the phone or criticize those who buy it.
If Apple were to add every feature they wanted, they would still complain it doesn't brush their teeth.
I can afford the phone for one, so can alot of people you see while being out on town. Im a college student, but paying $600 for the phone ain't a problem, other phones cost around there anyhow.
Saying that the better part of the iPhone buyers are the tech geeks are funny, if that was the case Apple would have included copy paste and so on. The reason Apple is not including these things are because a majority of the users do not care about it.
Im not saying the iPhone ain't a geek tool, just saying it's not aimed at tech gurus/geeks.
I see teens all the time using em on the subway and stuff.
Hrmm...I travel and I live in an area with lots of kids, teens included. I live in one of the richest parts of the country and I still don't see teens with this phone. I see tons of IT guys with them, though.
I've yet to see any teen with an iPhone. I know of several that actually have iTouches (I've asked them). Maybe you see teens with iTouches?
The average iPhone user isn't going to be interested in copy/paste, and to be honest, as a geek, I'm not really interested in copy/paste either. I've laptops and a linux-based PDA that are better geek tools. Even jailbreaking the thing doesn't quite give you such a geek tool as a laptop...it wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the virtual keyboard. I try to do remote shelling and remote access to other network devices and this just doesn't scale well.
Hi.
You're full of crap.
I'm what you might call mildly technically-oriented: I can (and do) program in 8 different languages, can write in assembly for three different architectures, and make my living coding.
And I can tell you that my "phone of choice" sure as hell isn't gonna be running Windows Mobile.
You know what the #1 killer app on my iPhone is? OpenSSH. #2? Mail.
For me, the two most important features in such a device (other than the ability to make and receive calls and text messages) is a usable mail client and a stable, secure, well-developed, open source SSH client. I bought an iPhone specifically because it's the one phone on the market that is both *nix-based and has an efficient, streamlined UI.
Windows Mobile not only sucks at making calls (can't tell you how many times I've had old WM phones hard lock midway through a call), but the mail client is nowhere near as streamlined and efficient as MobileMail.app. Oh, and don't start me on the comparison between Cocoa and the Windows Mobile API... night and fscking day my friend, night and day. Yes, Obj-C is quirky, and yes I wish there was GC on the iPhone, but it's still light years ahead of anything MS has come up with. .NET is decent, but it's really just too little, too late.
But by all means, don't let that stop you from parroting what you've heard elsewhere.
you're a programmer and you prefer the iphone despite the fact that it doesn't have cut and paste? the UI of the iphone is esthetically pleasing, but if efficient to you means a bunch of icons sprawled across several screens then i'd hate to see the code you write.
i'm not even sure what kind of connection you're even trying to make with being technically oriented and preferring the iphone when one of your main uses is just the mail.app. are you trying to say that you code FOR the iphone as well? in that case i suppose it would make sense.
either way, by and large i dont think anyone can disagree that the iphone IS GENERALLY pretty much aimed towards the 'teenagers/housewives' crowd. not literally, but just people who want a simple device with novelty apps and can play a bunch of crappy games. just look at the top paid/free apps in the store and you can easily find out who the majority of iphone users are. when something completely useless and stupid like 'koi pond' becomes the top app for weeks on end, then you know what your main crowd is like...
You dont know much about programming do you?
Why would cut and paste matter at all when making an app?
Edit: and you seem to be confusing whos buying the phone with who its aimed at:everyone.
Also guess whos buying it? everyone. Its even doing swimmingly in the business market, go figure.
for the third revision apple is going to introduce a software update that will only work on the third gen iphone, this update will include: copy and paste, MMS, video recording and a few other things people are clamoring for. Apple will have everyone getting rid of their 3G iphones and everyone will be lining up around corners for days all over again. Don't you guys know how the demented money hungry mind of steve jobs works by now? The mans a marketing and business genius i'll give him that.