Has Installous been blocked? Weird Cydia uninstall problem

[rKunda]

Whats the difference between stealing apps and stealing music?

Everyone downloads music illegitimately

False.

I don't pirate but I have very strong qualms with data theft/tethering. It is of my opinion that an application that would not be granted copyright protection because it in and of itself infringes on the copyrights of others should be obtained without having to pay.

Either way the comparison is a bit extreme. Application/Data theft come nowhere close in severity to domestic violence in my opinion.

I don't want to sound course, but you completely misunderstood the very clear illustration. It's not data usage=piracy=rape=murder. /Obviously/ they are not the same /thing/ but they are the same /type/ of thing if the categories are moral and immoral.

 

[iUser4Lyfe]

As far as tethering goes, AT&T is not charging you for the data. They are charging you for the ability to tether to a laptop.

It is my opinion, as well as the opinion of users, that AT&T should not be charging for an ability that is already present on the phone. I fully respect that I should have to pay for the data that I use; if I use more than 2GB with or without tethering, I expect to pay the appropriate fee.

You see there is no "in my opinion" when it comes to the law. You are either stealing or your not. If AT&T is charging for a service, and you think the service is not worth your money then you have the right to NOT use the service. Tethering for free and then bashing software pirates is hypocritical no matter how you want to spin it

For the record, I could care less if you use Installous or tether. Just tired of this double standard of how people who pirate apps are the scum of the earth yet stealing from AT&T is somehow alright

 

[Block]

False.



I don't want to sound course, but you completely misunderstood the very clear illustration. It's not data usage=piracy=rape=murder. /Obviously/ they are not the same /thing/ but they are the same /type/ of thing if the categories are moral and immoral.

I was more trying to get at the fact that while your moral comparison does stand when it comes to severe issues such as domestic violence, it is not as convincing on significantly smaller issues.

"Don't criticize me when you partake in it too."

- This is a valid statement when talking about small (especially equal level) issues such as application and data theft.
- This is no longer valid when talking about domestic violence because of the severity of the issue and certainly not the case when the two are on opposite extremes (loitering vs domestic violence).

 

[PaHtSaN]

You see there is no "in my opinion" when it comes to the law. You are either stealing or your not. If AT&T is charging for a service, and you think the service is not worth your money then you have the right to NOT use the service. Tethering for free and then bashing software pirates is hypocritical no matter how you want to spin it

For the record, I could care less if you use Installous or tether. Just tired of this double standard of how people who pirate apps are the scum of the earth yet stealing from AT&T is somehow alright

I agree 100%, and by the way, those of us who unlock the iPhones and use it on a non at&t network are also taking something away from at&t. At&t im sure had to give something up to convice apple to lock them in the first place. I dont have a problem w it just don't be hypocritical.

 

[Stankonia]

Believe it or not, there actually are some legitimate uses for Installous.

For example, last week RunKeeper Pro (which I paid for and can post the receipt if needed ) pushed an update that completely broke the app by causing it to crash every time it was launched. Since I run a lot and rely on the app to keep track of my time and distance, I was able to grab a previous version to hold me over until there was a new update released to fix the crash bug.

Since you often see app updates that are buggy as hell and cause these types of problems, it can be useful to have a way to restore to a previous version. As long as you paid for the app, I don't see why that would be a problem.

Of course, people say the same thing about legitimate uses for torrents despite the overwhelming use being for piracy, so I guess this post won't change anyones mind

 

[sidewinder]

Whats the difference between stealing apps and stealing music?

Everyone downloads music illegitimately

Speak for yourself......I don't.

S-

 

[Armeniandave]

I had the same problem with iMovie.
Bought it then deleted it, later went back
to download it and they pushed an update
that only worked on 4.1

I installed installous and downloaded it and
it works fine. So am I the pirate or is Apple
the pirate for locking an app to a version of
iOS artificially?

Also I have used installous to try out apps
before I bought them. I'm not talking about
.99 app more like $17 apps. I used it for a week
and just bought it. I can say without trying it
there is ZERO chance I would have bought it.

I said this before simply offer a trial ala rock and
much of the piracy will go away. There's always a
few that will pirate no matter what but they get too
much attention. You can also blame some of the developers who put out low quality apps. I'm sick of being burned and there is ZERO recourse against them. Make a quality product such as angry birds and your app will sell. Also price it fairly.

Just my opinion......

 

[MikePA]

The solution to this problem on MacRumors is simple and all it requires is for people to follow the rules and when they don't, for the moderators to actually do their job instead of spending all their time protecting newbies and policing signatures.

Discussions about piracy and cracked apps violates MR rules.

I've reported many Installous threads and the moderators do absolutely nothing about them. More often than not, such threads are started by newbies who clearly do not read the posting rules when they register.

So, the Moderators and Administrators of MacRumors should either enforce the rules about piracy and cracked apps threads or change the rules.

 

[rKunda]

I'm inclined to agree with Mike. Enforce the rule or remove it.

 

[Pez555]

screw anyone who uses cracked apps. you all are stealing, no matter how you want to fabricate it.

why should the rest of us suffer just because you cant be bothered to do enough research about an app you might want. you are all cheapskates. what comes around goes around though.

 

[PaHtSaN]

The solution to this problem on MacRumors is simple and all it requires is for people to follow the rules and when they don't, for the moderators to actually do their job instead of spending all their time protecting newbies and policing signatures.

Discussions about piracy and cracked apps violates MR rules.

I've reported many Installous threads and the moderators do absolutely nothing about them. More often than not, such threads are started by newbies who clearly do not read the posting rules when they register.

So, the Moderators and Administrators of MacRumors should either enforce the rules about piracy and cracked apps threads or change the rules.

Well aren't you the good hall monitor!! :-D

 

[spamdumpster]

The solution to this problem on MacRumors is simple and all it requires is for people to follow the rules and when they don't, for the moderators to actually do their job instead of spending all their time protecting newbies and policing signatures.

Discussions about piracy and cracked apps violates MR rules.

I've reported many Installous threads and the moderators do absolutely nothing about them. More often than not, such threads are started by newbies who clearly do not read the posting rules when they register.

So, the Moderators and Administrators of MacRumors should either enforce the rules about piracy and cracked apps threads or change the rules.

I hate to, but I agree with Mike on this one, too. Change the rules or enforce them.

Also, if the last line of your sig was about liberals being in charge of all problem areas of the country or something along those lines, it was probably changed because it was untrue, not because it was politically incorrect. There are lots of areas of the USA that are in a lot of trouble economically, but are run by conservatives, not liberals. Indeed, even most tea partiers believe that Bush is to blame for a large chunk of our current economic problems, and he was not a liberal. Plus, some areas of the country are doing relatively well (i.e., compared to others) and are run by liberals (my home state of Mass. being one).

One big piece of evidence for this is that red states tend to be net takers of federal tax dollars and blue states tend to be net payers: http://www.visualeconomics.com/united-states-federal-tax-dollars/

 

[rKunda]

That was out of the blue, no pun intended. Now I am curious what signature was that was removed.

 

[spamdumpster]

That was out of the blue, no pun intended. Now I am curious what signature was that was removed.

It might have been something different, but the one I'm thinking of said, "Cities and States In The Crapper: Name one not run by a liberal."

 

[MikePA]

It might have been something different, but the one I'm thinking of said, "Cities and States In The Crapper: Name one not run by a liberal."

Nope.

 

[spamdumpster]

Nope.

Well, what was it?

Reminds me of that joke, "How do you keep an ****** in suspense." Then you don't say anything.

[Sensitive Mods - For the record, I'm the ****** in the joke. Get it?].

 

[MikePA]

Well, what was it?

I was told by the Mod I cannot put the specific phrase back in my signature nor anything like it. I concluded that also refers to putting it into a post. Sorry,

 

[Block]

The actual rule states

Warez/Serials/Keys. Do not post software serial numbers or keys or refer people to specific websites, software, or techniques whose purpose is to break or bypass software licensing methods, distribute cracks, or obtain or use commercial software or media in violation of its license and/or for copyright violation. Do not ask for or give such help.

1) Do not post the pirated materials
2) Do not refer people to the pirated materials
3) Do not ask for or give help to users wanting to obtain pirated material

It does not however encompass discussions about the morality and ethics of piracy, just on the act of piracy itself.

Also note that while the primary use of Installous is to pirate applications (just like BitTorrent), the application has other usages too.

 

[maturola]

The actual rule states



1) Do not post the pirated materials
2) Do not refer people to the pirated materials
3) Do not ask for or give help to users wanting to obtain pirated material

It does not however encompass discussions about the morality and ethics of piracy, just on the act of piracy itself.

I agree, Installous is just a tool, like Netpster or Kassaa was back in the day.

 

[MikePA]

I agree, Installous is just a tool, like Netpster or Kassaa was back in the day.

I assume you mean Napster and Kazaa?

 

[kainjow]

The actual rule states



1) Do not post the pirated materials
2) Do not refer people to the pirated materials
3) Do not ask for or give help to users wanting to obtain pirated material

It does not however encompass discussions about the morality and ethics of piracy, just on the act of piracy itself.

Also note that while the primary use of Installous is to pirate applications (just like BitTorrent), the application has other usages too.

This is correct. It's not against the rules to ask for general help with tools like Installous, or discussing piracy in general, but saying "here's how to download MyCoolApp for free" or something along that lines is not allowed.

If you think something is against the rules, report it, or if you have general questions/concerns about a policy, either contact us or start a feedback thread in the correct forum. Otherwise, this is an off topic discussion and should stop here with my post. Thanks.

 

[sidewinder]

It's not against the rules to ask for general help with tools like Installous....

How can that be? Installous is a tool with only one purpose.....to help with Installous is to help with piracy...which is against the rules.

S-

 

[maturola]

How can that be? Installous is a tool with only one purpose.....to help with Installous is to help with piracy...which is against the rules.

S-

We all know that is the reality, but still not against the rules (on here), it is a tool and it can be use for other things, It allow you installed IPA bypassing the certification signing, It could be use for instances for distributing beta copies of an app without the need of adding those devices as part of the developer pools. It could be use for Debugging of program conflicts allowing you to installed older versions of Applications that are not longer available. As it have been said before Guns don't kill people, People kill people.

 

[Block]

How can that be? Installous is a tool with only one purpose.....to help with Installous is to help with piracy...which is against the rules.

S-

The same can be said of BitTorrent. While the primary use of Installous is piracy, it isn't its only function. I'm sure there would be those who would argue that the purpose of Jailbreaking is to promote piracy and to help with Jailbreaking is to help with piracy.

This thread has gone horribly off-topic and we should respect the moderators and discuss this issue in another thread.

 

[MajesticNJ]

Great points but sadly the majority of the people using Installous are using it to get apps for free and in the end it hurts everyone.

I'm afraid I have to disagree with the consensus here. I also use installous, but not in a bad way. There are so many crap applications being put out (probably the majority) that I would have never purchased had I been able to try them first.

I'll give you an example of my use. There are around 5 different travel apps that i thought "may" meet my needs. They range in price from $4.99 to $9.99. Instead of blowing $25 to $50 to figure out which "ONE" app was right for me, I downloaded all five from using Installous.

I try all five for a few days. Decide which one I want. Delete all five and then go to the app store and purchase the one I decided I like. I see nothing wrong with this.

The problem with not getting to try before you buy is that there are sooo many: 1) crappy apps being put out, 2) so many app reviews being paid for or written by the app developer, 3) so many stories of app developers not responding to your problems or inquiries, 4) apps that cause my phone to crash. The list goes on and on.

I just don't think its fair to use the "herd" mentality to jump on anyone who uses installous. Like most other things in this world, there will always be those who abuse the system. I find it hard to believe, that if everyone used installous the way i do, one person on these boards would complain that installous is a bad thing.

It's like the gun haters. There are great uses for guns. When someone is murdered with a gun, its not the guns fault or the gun that is bad, its the person using it.