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Apple is as strong today as it's ever been. In the last couple of years we've seen innovative products like the Retina MacBook Pros, the insanely great new Mac Pro, the deliciously thin iMac, phenomenal enhancements to iCloud, incredible new iPhones and iPad, vastly improved AppleCare offerings to grow the customer experience. The list goes on and on and on. Apple is not doomed. Apple remains the future of the entire tech industry. Everything Apple does shapes and informs the consumer as to what great tech should be.
 
Before Touch ID came out, the idea that touch sensors could be miniaturized to fit the little home button was laughable. Apple delivered.

True.


Where are the car integration platforms from Google and Microsoft? Apple delivered.

Hardly, next to Apple there where and are various products that deliver as well. There is no way people can state Apple revolutionized the car industry in this matter.

The first devices in history to have "ac" Wi-Fi? Apple delivered.

Probably so. But not very significant.

An incredible (and risky) concept for the new Mac Pro. The entire thing is a wind tunnel. It's pure premium art. And it's cheaper than the competition. Apple delivered.

Very simply untrue. Yes, it's a piece of art but taste is within the eye of the beholder (remember the trillions of ridicule remarks; trashcan to name one). Second, it's fast but totally not revolutionary, there are many demonstrations online both on youtube and the web in general that simply proof that the new mac pro isn't "cheaper" neither a "wind tunnel" compared to it's PC rivals. So your statement is clearly untrue.

Fantastic new re-imagining of iOS. It's not perfect (yet), but it's a bold step in the right direction. Apple delivered.

Again, eye of the beholder. Something personal, it's no fact only to the one that agrees. Personally, I do think iOS is a very nice OS, but that's just tast.

Ditto for OS X. Apple delivered.

Again, eye of the beholder. Something personal, it's no fact only to the one that agrees. Personally, I do think OSX is a very nice OS, but that's just tast.

Bold new pricing strategy for iWork and OS X. Apple delivered.

Nothing bold to it. You buy one hell of an expensive desktop computer and you get OSX for free which would have cost you otherwise as much as $20,- or a bit less or more. Nothing spectaculair, especially considering that Apple makes so much profit out of each product they sell thanks to cheap labour and hard working conditions of the primarily poor hard working people at the Apple factories throughout China.

All of this happened under Cook.

You make it sound like he's personally responsible. You lack to mention though the downside of his leadership, every leader has his or her downsides people denying that are known to be as groupies or apple fans which is ok of course but these people are not stating the facts. Yes Cook is responsible for a great bunch of good things but also a lot of bad things, the new Mac Pro is no longer the leading PC in the world of editing in which Apple DID had a huge marketshare with it's Final Cut X. After having ruined Final Cut X with a disgusting and laughable bad new designed Final Cut Pro they, Apple, lost it's entire industry in professional editing, I know, I work in this field and all the studio's that used to work on mac pro's where forced to continue with Adobe's Premiere which has by now a much bigger market share in the world of professional editing. Apple under Cook disbanded the world of professionals for years by not attending IBC (International Broadcasting Conference) any longer which they did in previous years under Jobs. And why should they indeed? They had nothing hi-end to offer in that field.

Apple went for the masses and let the professional users suffer. It's until now they try to get back a bit of that piece they had lost with the all new mac pro. But in the field of professional editing nobody gives a *beep* on how thin a machine looks, if you can get, for the same amount of money, a faster working, even when it's looks horrible, PC then guess what clients in that market will choose? Rhetorical question.

I work for decades now with Apple computers AND with PC. Both hardware and software, I've seen all of this happening. Apple is good for the masses and yes also good for pro's IF you're willing to pay more for not that much more you'll get out of the pc for less money. It's not me stating this, test are simply proving all of this.

I still love Apple computers, but I must admit that cheering Apple fans do miss the nuances, quite often I must add.

The e-books pricing case wasn't Cook's fault.

Well, partially it was.

The following are fair criticisms of Cook:

Siri and Maps haven't been completely fixed yet.

That's what I call an understatement.

Scott Forstall shouldn't have been fired.

From what I've heard he should have, and they rightfully did. He was a horrible manager, words described by his own employees working for him.

Instead, they should have given him an independent project where he didn't have to run into Ive and others he didn't get along with.

He was responsible for rolling out Apple Maps. And we all know how bad Apple maps was and in many ways still is. Inferior to google maps at least.

Josh Browett. The ex-retail chief. That was completely on Cook.


Overall, I give Cook a B+. After 2014, he'll have earned his A+.


Your opinion. I give Cook a C. It was higher before, but after failing to fix the very bad designed IOS7 for the new iPad Air which therefor crashed multiple times each day for several months, I lost my trust in Cook. It's a disgrace that so many people who had payed so much money for the new iPad Air had to "suffer" with these frequently shut-downs for months before Apple came up with a fix. Besides other failures, like Ping, and Apple Maps the crashing iPad Air is another big minor for Apple in general.

I love Apple, but I'm no Apple fanboy and realistic enough that 'even' Apple makes lot's of bad decision, especially when it come to serve the high-end market which they had lost years ago.
 
The issue didn't fall to Forstall regardless. I imagine there are plenty on the legal team that would be required to validate Apple's designs. And even if that weren't the case - I don't believe Forstall willingly STOLE the design. It's a fairly common design (now). More likely either an oversight or that Scott believed the changes made were significant enough to not be concerned.

The claim was that he was told it was copyrighted, and was adamant that it wasn't. It sounds like his decision, against advice by others. If that is true then I'm not saying he willingly _stole_ the design, but he willingly created a situation that was very costly for Apple, both in dollars and in PR. I don't know if that is what happened, that's why I asked if it was documented anywhere.

And excuse me, but why was he paid a huge salary? Because _he_ had the responsibility. So no matter whose mistake, he was responsible. However, according to the poster I replied to, it was indeed _his_ very deliberate mistake.
 
If I had to guess, the author rushed to get this book to market before Apple had time to release anything this year, since most likely Apple will be releasing an iWatch and a major iPhone upgrade, plus maybe a major AppleTV upgrade.

They'd look like an idiot trying to say Apple doesn't release anything new if they release 2-3 major products just beforehand.
 
I love how the book cover is styled to look like the post-jobs-design. It's already iconic..
 
The claim was that he was told it was copyrighted, and was adamant that it wasn't. It sounds like his decision, against advice by others. If that is true then I'm not saying he willingly _stole_ the design, but he willingly created a situation that was very costly for Apple, both in dollars and in PR. I don't know if that is what happened, that's why I asked if it was documented anywhere.

And excuse me, but why was he paid a huge salary? Because _he_ had the responsibility. So no matter whose mistake, he was responsible. However, according to the poster I replied to, it was indeed _his_ very deliberate mistake.

Bolded to show that if that's the scenario - where was LEGAL during this issue. If there was a legal issue as to copyright or not, legal should have been involved. And if they were and Scott ignored it - then it's on him. Otherwise I maintain it was on legal to determine.
 
Apple is far from being doomed under Cook

My feeling is that Microsoft survived more than a decade being managed by someone who is clearly incompetent (Ballmer) without meeting its doom, so Apple could probably do just fine with Cook for more than twice that long. Cook's biggest screw-up was his initial retail hire. What was he thinking? Apple's retail outlets are a huge part of its success story, and he threw them under a bus with that hire. However, everyone makes mistakes and if Cook can keep ones like that one to a minimum, I think Apple will continue to thrive. Besides, it is really difficult to regard a company with strong sales and $147 billion cash on hand as one that's in decline. Apple's cash hoard now counts for nearly 10% of ALL corporate cash held by nonfinancial companies. (http://blogs.wsj.com/cfo/2013/10/01/apple-now-holds-10-of-all-corporate-cash-moodys/). There must be several thousand companies that would love to be in such a decline!

Plus Cook has shown discipline in not wasting this cash; Google appears insane in contrast as when they recently burned away 19 billion on a messaging service. My biggest disappointment with Cook is that under him I expected Apple to have plenty of product available to meet demand at product launches; in this regard they failed miserably with the iPhone 5s and the new Mac Pro. Part of this is that undeniably demand for these products was huge -- yet another sign that Apple is far from being in decline.

Decline?

HA! Even i think this book is likely her own written masturbation to try and prove to herself something... or perhaps she just wants to buy stock and it's too expensive for her...


anyways.

I think Apple is in a cross roads. This is no longer the tightly focused company it was 10 years ago.

One thing that is more apparent now than it was in the past, even under Steve was the sheer collective mass of the company. it is a very very large Juggernaut.

Combine that in with Cook as CEO and you have a markably different Apple. Where jobs was this technological visionary, that saw what people wanted and was very enthousiastic about it and driven, Cook is the quiet, Stalwart CEO. Jobs exuded charisma. Cook exudes nothing but cold, calculated business.

I don't see Cook as the product guy. I see him as the guy you actually want running your corporation for profits.

This is a fundamental shift in the face of Apple. People don't like change. People will see this as the decline.

I see it not as the Decline, but as the point where the decline might happen. It also very likely might not. Cook hasn't been at the helm long enough. This isn't some small company of a few hundred employees that will live or die in the matter of months by good or bad leadership. This is a Multi Billion dollar company at the forefront of several multi-billion dollar industries. This sort of shift will take years to have its affect. Which means at this point, nothing but pure speculation.

I however do have my doubts. there's no "Doomed" Apple. Only sheer incompetence (see BBRY) could return Apple to it's near collapse again. Cook is not incompetent by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Good grief this is iOS in the car 1.0 and from the looks of it is a better implementation then Google and Microsoft has ever had in the car. The jury is still out, it's too soon to make that determination. I'm sure there will be plenty of software updates for iOS in the car.
Version 1.0 is no excuse. You could see, the iPhone was going to be a useful concept even before it was ready for sale. When I think about iOS in the car, I think about using an iPad mini as a sat nav. Google and Microsoft never made it into the car, so being better than them is pointless. You could be better than them and still fail.
 
Version 1.0 is no excuse. You could see, the iPhone was going to be a useful concept even before it was ready for sale. When I think about iOS in the car, I think about using an iPad mini as a sat nav. Google and Microsoft never made it into the car, so being better than them is pointless. You could be better than them and still fail.
V 1.0 looks great to me. I'm sure the masses will feel the same. It's all about safety and simplicity, and Apple has once again delivered.
 
I'm sorry booyahbooyah but you're startlingly wrong about a number of your assertions. Most of these things that you're claiming Apple did "first" were more like the iPod: other companies did it "first", but Apple made it mainstream. And some things are just wrong. Let's go down the list.

Before Touch ID came out, the idea that touch sensors could be miniaturized to fit the little home button was laughable. Apple delivered.

Fingerprint sensors the size of the home button have been on PC laptops for ten years. I had one on a consumer-grade HP junker from 2006. The tech sort of just faded into obscurity recently, probably because it was a disjointed feature on a platform that didn't care (Windows, the honey badger of operating systems). Hopefully the iPhone with top-branded marketing towards this feature will end up making Touch ID as mainstream as the iPod.

Where are the car integration platforms from Google and Microsoft? Apple delivered.

You apparently have no idea how well Microsoft is embedded in the auto market. Ford Sync (Microsoft-driven) has been a mainstay of Ford's lineup since 2007. That's just the best-known implementation of Windows Embedded Automotive, which has been around since 1998. I've also got an aftermarket radio based on it (JVC brand), and I picked it because reviews suggested its interface was actually more consistent, less buggy, and easier to use than the competition.

You can be forgiven for not having heard of this, though. I happen to think it was pretty smart for Microsoft not to market its car integration as "Windows" because then everybody would expect a Start button and wonder why they couldn't run their old crap programs on it. Think Windows RT. And of course it doesn't integrate with Windows Phone, but I'm still not sold on whether that's even useful.

As for Google, aren't they making cars drive themselves? I'd be pretty concerned if those cars had Android integration.

The first devices in history to have "ac" Wi-Fi? Apple delivered.

Um, so? Unless you have Google Fiber there's no way your internet is even fast enough to saturate an "n" connection. And since when has a tech spec like this been evidence of Apple's innovation?

An incredible (and risky) concept for the new Mac Pro. The entire thing is a wind tunnel. It's pure premium art. And it's cheaper than the competition. Apple delivered.

If the new Mac Pro proves to sell well, I'll give this one to you. Although I have a tough time thinking of a glossy trash can as "pure premium art".

Fantastic new re-imagining of iOS. It's not perfect (yet), but it's a bold step in the right direction. Apple delivered.

Ditto for OS X. Apple delivered.

So jumping on the "flat UI" bandwagon is innovative? The re-imagining boggles me because Microsoft was the first to adopt this design aesthetic and I got the impression people didn't like it. So why is everybody doing it now? So that even more people will hate their computers and phones? Let alone that the Microsoft "tiles" idea justified the design language, but the iPhone interface is still designed for even the simplest and most unnoticed of skeumorphisms (like pop-out buttons).

Although I'd also like to take this moment to ridicule Android for flat-out copying the iPhone interface design instead of daring to make something new and different like the Microsoft Phone interface.

As for OS X, I have yet to see it change much at all from 10.5 Leopard compared to the amazing improvements from 10.4 Tiger to 10.5 Leopard. Personal gripes to follow: I never use the app overlay (guess I'm too accustomed to Spotlight), but the notification center is nice (at least that it comes with instead of the messed up stuff with Growl). Multi-monitor support is better but I'd really like to be able to switch into full-screen apps with a key combination like I can with spaces.

Bold new pricing strategy for iWork and OS X. Apple delivered.

It's hard to call it "new" when this has been the pricing strategy for OpenOffice.org and Linux for...well, as long as they have existed. But sure, it's "bold" to start giving stuff away they always wanted everyone to have anyway. It's seriously in their best interests for everybody to upgrade their OS. Also, the need to buy an office program separately is a pervasive annoyance for Windows customers.
 
An incredible (and risky) concept for the new Mac Pro. The entire thing is a wind tunnel. It's pure premium art. And it's cheaper than the competition. Apple delivered.

The less people know about manufacturing, the more they think it's magic.

This is just deep draw aluminum, made the same way as millions of fire extinguisher bottles or scuba tanks. Heck, they might've gotten the final idea from fine cooking pots, some of which are made almost exactly the same way right down to robotic polishing.

Google and Microsoft never made it into the car, so being better than them is pointless. You could be better than them and still fail.

Microsoft made into cars, but they seem to be overwhelmed by later UI advances.

As for Google, they made it into cars in a different way, because Android is available to anyone. There are plenty of touchscreen Android based multimedia radio/CD/DVD replacements out there, including units on eBay for a few hundred dollars.

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V 1.0 looks great to me. I'm sure the masses will feel the same. It's all about safety and simplicity, and Apple has once again delivered.
It's not about simplicity as such. You have to cover many complex tasks and make them look simple. When you want to conquer the central spot in a car, you have to do climate control and cruise control and car settings and on and on. Apple hasn't delivered half of what is needed. Show me the sales numbers to proof me wrong.
 
It's not about simplicity as such. You have to cover many complex tasks and make them look simple. When you want to conquer the central spot in a car, you have to do climate control and cruise control and car settings and on and on. Apple hasn't delivered half of what is needed. Show me the sales numbers to proof me wrong.
Climate control mabey, but cruise control and anything having to do with the motion of the car no thank you. Not even close to a necessity.
 
Climate control mabey, but cruise control and anything having to do with the motion of the car no thank you. Not even close to a necessity.
Than how you can call it integrated into the car? It must fully replace carmakers own solutions like BMW iDrive or else it won't prevail. Remember the iPhone, these are not three separate devices, this is one device. Now turn that around, this it not one device, these are three separate devices. Doesn't sound compelling to me.
 
Scott Forstall was the guy who knew how iOS is made, and yet Apple fired him. iOS 7 is the result.

They should had done that couple of years ago when iOS started to show its wrinkles. iOS 7 is far better then the older versions for me and many others.

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Quite often what these people claim is that Apple didn't deliver anything... except the long list of things that they delivered, which don't count because we know about them. They basically blame Apple because everything Apple delivered since Steve Jobs left was delivered in the past.

Was it really? Yeah man, you could argue that multi-touch was delivered prior to Steve Jobs too, was it not? That much was delivered fingerprint scanner on mobile device before (Motorola did try it and failed with fingerprint thingy)
 
Than how you can call it integrated into the car? It must fully replace carmakers own solutions like BMW iDrive or else it won't prevail. Remember the iPhone, these are not three separate devices, this is one device. Now turn that around, this it not one device, these are three separate devices. Doesn't sound compelling to me.
Name 5 things you want iOS to control?
 
They should had done that couple of years ago when iOS started to show its wrinkles. iOS 7 is far better then the older versions for me and many others.

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Was it really? Yeah man, you could argue that multi-touch was delivered prior to Steve Jobs too, was it not? That much was delivered fingerprint scanner on mobile device before (Motorola did try it and failed with fingerprint thingy)

You could argue that this book is extremely biased, full of opinions and half truth and assumptions.

You could argue that because it's Apple it will grab an audience.

You could argue that the author doesn't have a really stellar record of being neutral?

You could argue that it isn't that easy to launch game changing devices at will, hence there are spaces between launches.

In the meantime Apple will stick with its incremental updates until they tackle another category of our lives.
Success not guaranteed.

Apple had duds with Steve and without Steve.

As long as Tim keeps the finances green it will be fine.

Since Steve isn't here any more it is best to look forward.

The past is only there to teach us what not to do!
 
Before Touch ID came out, the idea that touch sensors could be miniaturized to fit the little home button was laughable. Apple delivered.

Where are the car integration platforms from Google and Microsoft? Apple delivered.

The first devices in history to have "ac" Wi-Fi? Apple delivered.

An incredible (and risky) concept for the new Mac Pro. The entire thing is a wind tunnel. It's pure premium art. And it's cheaper than the competition. Apple delivered.

Fantastic new re-imagining of iOS. It's not perfect (yet), but it's a bold step in the right direction. Apple delivered.

Ditto for OS X. Apple delivered.

Bold new pricing strategy for iWork and OS X. Apple delivered.

All of this happened under Cook.

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The e-books pricing case wasn't Cook's fault.

When they made fun of green felt, it was Apple making fun of itself, not necessarily of Scott Forstall. It was only Craig Fed. doing it. Maybe it wasn't a pre-planned group pile-on. Maybe it was just Craig being Craig.

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The following are fair criticisms of Cook:

Siri and Maps haven't been completely fixed yet.

Scott Forstall shouldn't have been fired. Instead, they should have given him an independent project where he didn't have to run into Ive and others he didn't get along with.

Josh Browett. The ex-retail chief. That was completely on Cook.


Overall, I give Cook a B+. After 2014, he'll have earned his A+.

I kind of like this summary. While they have lost some of their fanatical edge that Jobs brought, for a business guy he has kept the ship steady.

People think that they need to bring out new products every year. Keeping it simple and refining and refining and making things better and rethinking human/device interaction is what they also do well.
 
Ultimately - Cook is in charge. And I think this book is mostly a dig at Cook. It's not like Forstall "snuck" in Apple Maps without anyone looking and no one could do anything about it.



I think that also describes many people here :)
True. But go read the press release about Peter Oppenheimer's retirement and compare it to the org announcement from 2012. The Oppenheimer release was glowing in praise and even had quotes from Peter. The org announcement had one sentence dedicated to Forstall, just saying he would be leaving and not thanking him for anything at all. Forstall obviously pissed off the wrong people at Apple. What you say about maps can also be said about iOS 7. It's not like Ive was off in some secret room designing it all by himself. These things don't happen in a vacuum.
 
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