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HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray [misc discussion]

monkeytap said:
which BR disc are you refering to? I thought you did not have a blu-ray player? sony insideres have confirmed region coding is only being used for movies during the theatrical run.
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Stop throwing up menial BS excuses for why there are more (and please stop beating around the bush with it) region free HD-DVD than BR films out there.

this has been explained to you by me and others, but never gets through your thick skull.
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Thanks, reported.


"you actually, for once, taught me something!! good job! I did not know xbox 360 offereded HD sources....what do they offer?"

im still waiting to hear how many titles they offer.... :D
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http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=HD+video+downloads+on+Xbox+marketplace&spell=1
It's called Google.



or even care about HD? for someone who doesn't care about HD you sure act like you know what your talking about..
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Again, and please answer this next time you reply, why do you seem to memorise my posts but skip out on the important stuff? I own a PS3. I just don't use it for films or games (at the moment).
And where have I been wrong?

i tried searching to find what titles are available on marketplace, still havent gotten a real answer from any of your fools, you are still complaining I did not know about it!!!! only could find v for vendetta and looney tunes....the bitrate is pathetic!
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Then you must be very bad at using Google.

TBi said:
[snip]
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LOL :D
 
GFLPraxis said:
You never HAVE; you have never posted in any thread outside of Blu-ray debates where you harp on about HD-DVD sucking. Even Blu-ray fans get annoyed with you.
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umm...since we are all digging through my history...sure I have:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/373128/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/363275/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/400823/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/317494/

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blu-ray fans get annoyed with me? how about hd-dvd fans admit they are wrong to me, and blu-ray fans appreciate my posts:

compliment

misinformation

admitting defeat


I would not have to harp on about hd-dvd sucking if everytime I posted some guy (sometimes you and the other people this message is meant for) brings up a completely irrelevant hd-dvd talking point, as if it matters anymore!!
 
MacRumorUser said:
That's a predictive chart and not current figures (hypothesis), just to make that clear for people.

I think it will take a little longer than 6 months for it to happen like that, but maybe 12 or so.

I think there are still way too many people who are happy with DVD who aren't making any format decision or leap to HD, and chances are its going to take a lot longer for them to do so. :)
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MRU, that isnt predictictive its real time. Its the first days of January sales. Predictive would look just as bad though. Standard DVDs had nothing to do with the chart either.

HD DVD will die a quick death, rumors have the remaining two studios jumping ship within weeks.

Monkeytap, while your enthusiasm may be great for the BD format your tact at excecuting that entusiasm has left much to be said. Calm down a bit, stop being so insulting and demeaning and people might listen to what you have to say instead of just getting defensive.

90% of all BD are region coded, here is a list of the ones that are not http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=88390&postcount=1. Another list http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=20656&region+coding
Note that most older Warner titles were region free, but newer ones will be region locked.

Ed
 
Ed H said:
Monkeytap, while your enthusiasm may be great for the BD format your tact at excecuting that entusiasm has left much to be said. Calm down a bit, stop being so insulting and demeaning and people might listen to what you have to say instead of just getting defensive.Ed
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i appreciate the concern, and admit I have been way to insulting about this for anyone to actually listen....(when I am insulted I insult back, I also admit that, even if its wrong :D )

with that said....

I have tried calmy explaing things, and angerly explaing things....both ways they weren't listening.
 
Ed H said:
MRU, that isnt predictictive its real time. Its the first days of January sales. Predictive would look just as bad though. Standard DVDs had nothing to do with the chart either.
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LOL!! Do you know what I did ? I saw the date format and forgot it was the USA (backwards) date format and therefore assumed it was based on a 6 month cycle rather than 6 days :D :eek::):p

Here's a site I use for the BluRay regions based on people testing the disc and such as often a disc can report say B and it actually be multi-region.

http://bluray.liesinc.net/

Thankfully now with both my USA PS3 and Euro PS3 I can buy any and not worry too much about it.

GFLPraxis said:
Heh. British people spell funny.
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How dare they spell things according to a language that they created & is named after them ! :p
 
this thread for sure won it's "this thread won't die" award

good god i'm happy i can totally sit out this format war and wait until some 70 bucks player are available who will be able to do gazillions more than the current rather buggy first generation players
 
takao said:
this thread for sure won it's "this thread won't die" award
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I tried killing it off on several occasions after it became apparent that it was being hijacked, but failed. :(

I regret ever starting this thread.
 
raggedjimmi said:
Stop throwing up menial BS excuses for why there are more (and please stop beating around the bush with it) region free HD-DVD than BR films out there.


Thanks, reported.


http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=HD+video+downloads+on+Xbox+marketplace&spell=1
It's called Google.


Again, and please answer this next time you reply, why do you seem to memorise my posts but skip out on the important stuff? I own a PS3. I just don't use it for films or games (at the moment).
And where have I been wrong?



Then you must be very bad at using Google.



LOL :D
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im at work so can't read xbox related sites.....this is all i can find:

At launch there will be over 800 hours of SDTV, and 200 hours of HDTV.
Neither TV nor movies are streamed; they are only downloaded, although you can stream short preview clips from the Live interface.
You can only download content to your Xbox 360 drive -- not to an external drive.
Your "purchased" TV programs can be downloaded an infinite amount of times to an infinite amount of consoles; you may also play them back on friends' 360s with your removable drive.
Deleted TV shows can be re-downloaded later; HDTV shows can be re-downloaded in either HDTV or SD.
Movies can be watched an unlimited number of times the first 24 hours. Plays after that period will cost the same as the initial download, although the movie data isn't necessarily deleted. You can keep the movie data on your drive up to 14 days without re-downloading it.
Downloads are in VC-1 (aka WMVHD) at 720p, 6.8Mbps video with 5.1 surround.
An average HD movie download should be between 4-5GB, and a two hour SD movie would be 1.6GB.
An average 1 hour (44 min) HDTV download should be about 2.2GB, and an average 1/2 hour (22 min) HDTV download should be about 1GB. A 1 hour SDTV download should be about 600MB, and a 1/2 hour SDTV download should be about 300MB.
This service will not be available for MSN TV users, Vongo subscribers, or any other Microsoft partners. It is Xbox Live only.
You cannot download programs through the Xbox Live web interface -- they can only be transported to your 360's removable drive.
There aren't any drive announcements being made, so if your puny 20GB Xbox drive is near or at capacity, you're out of luck, kid.


I don't memorize your posts at all....I do remember you owning a ps3, but not for movies. if I am "skipping important stuff" I do not know what you are refering to.....

I just don't understand why you are still bringing up region coding as a positive trait for a dead format. its up to the studio if they want to release a title without region coding, and have you even considered what kind of security/limitations will be used by providers of your heralded DD?

no consumer likes region coding or things of that sort, but its a sad reality you just have to accept.
 
MacRumorUser said:
I tried killing it off on several occasions after it became apparent that it was being hijacked, but failed. :(

I regret ever starting this thread.
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It's all fun. Don't worry about it. Ignore it if you don't like the discussion. These kinds of things make the community interesting :)
 
studios utilizing region coding

"The second next-gen title to surface from dual-format supporting studio New Line, like 'Hairspray' before it, The HD DVD version of 'Rush Hour' will hit stores sometime after the Blu-ray. (As part of its initial announcement for 'Hairspray,' the studio said that region-coding concerns would prevent it from immediately releasing many of its early titles on HD DVD, but it promised they would see release sometime in early 2008.)"

Im just trying to illustrate how region coding is a harsh reality you just need to learn to live with if you want new movies at the best quality.

you are right, hd-dvd had an advantage in that matter for its brief life, but the fact that it is a dead format shows it was just another shortcoming of the format (from the eyes of studios)
 
Ed H said:
Calm down a bit, stop being so insulting
Ed
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This right here should go for all involved in this little spitting contest...lets just discuss what's ahead for the HD era.

Well moving on now.....Bu-ray seems to be the HD medium of choice just as DVD became standard BD will do the same. More and more people are moving into the HD era.



Bless
 
MacRumorUser said:
Having someone hijacking your thread, calling us all fools, calling people thick..


So much fun! :eek:
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You know what they say

"Don't feed the troll...


just play with it!"

Think of how much fun you could have had with this lil troll! Hours of fun watching him scamper around digging up little tid bits of information to show his master! Like a cat bringing you a dead rat! If you were a girl you'd almost say it was cute (the troll, not the dead rat)!
 
2nyRiggz said:
Well moving on now.....Bu-ray seems to be the HD medium of choice just as DVD became standard BD will do the same. More and more people are moving into the HD era.
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personally i was hoping that both lose and thus for the next medium sit together finally and come up with a single medium from the beginning ..for example one that isn't as large as the current ones
 
Markleshark said:
Thing is, I think everyone is a looser here. This format, generation, call it what you will wont last very long.

Jimmi has the right idea.
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HD downloads are far away from taking off, IMO....720p? sub 7 mbps bit rates?

the most limiting factor (at least in the US): bandwith and internet availability.

biggest downfall: consumers still want physical medium, I don't give a hoot but average Joe would rather have it in his hand than on his harddrive.
 
monkeytap said:
HD downloads are far away from taking off, IMO....720p? sub 7 mbps bit rates?

the most limiting factor (at least in the US): bandwith and internet availability.

biggest downfall: consumers still want physical medium, I don't give a hoot but average Joe would rather have it in his hand than on his harddrive.
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Which is of course why iTunes has been so successful...

Bandwidth is a factor in the US?

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The UK is lagging behind everyone in the Internet speeds and bandwidth category and I've never had a cap, limit or speed problem... Ever. I think thats a poor excuse, personally.

HD downloads are no further off 'taking off' than Blu-Ray is as a household optical media.
 
Markleshark said:
Which is of course why iTunes has been so successful...

Bandwidth is a factor in the US?

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The UK is lagging behind everyone in the Internet speeds and bandwidth category and I've never had a cap, limit or speed problem... Ever. I think thats a poor excuse, personally.

HD downloads are no further off 'taking off' than Blu-Ray is as a household optical media.
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its not an excuse....as much as everyone wants to believe I am a blu-ray fanboy, im not.

itunes has proved very successfull for files around 5 MB, your right....but when you start talking about movies that are ~25 GB in size, it changes the context a little bit, do you agree?

true, they can compress the movies differently to reduce the size, but look up at the specs of the Xbox HD marketplace...movies are in 720p with bitrates only a fraction of what is possible with both hd-dud and blu-ray.

average joe: "I spent good money on my TV, im not gonna use all of my bandwith for a week to get a highly crippled movie (in terms of quality), not to mention that I can't even hold it in my hand" (in terms of quality).

and yes, bandwith is a HUUUUGE limit in the US when it comes to files of that size. not to mention there are still many many places in the US where high speed internet is not an option.

regarding your last statement: how many people IN THE WORLD, are legally downloading HD movies compared to buying blu-ray? I think i would give advantage blu-ray at the moment, just based on the numbers of standalones and ps3s out there.
 
monkeytap has made some good and bad posts in the past. Throwing "you only post in HD sections" at him is a little irrelevant because we all post in what interests us. I agree that he comes off as arrogant at times, but it seems he's trying to improve on that. Well I hope so anyway, because he has a good understanding and if he uses more reasoning instead of insults, people might listen more. :)

GFLPraxis said:
Heh. British people spell funny.
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There's a reason it's called England and the language is called English. I think they thought of it first. ;) Crazy americans with your "jell-o" instead of "jelly" and aluminum metal, whatever that is. :p Dropping 'u's here and there and throwing a 'z' in every 2nd word. It's murder! :eek::p
 
So, I suppose Sony's deserving of some congratulations. This is the first time they've won a format war...um...ever?

They're like Pinky and the Brain almost. "What are we going to do tonight, Kaz?" "Same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to win a format war!"
 
MacRumorUser said:
Having someone hijacking your thread, calling us all fools, calling people thick..


So much fun! :eek:
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I know I'm enjoying it. *sits back and puts my feet up on my desk* :cool:

I'm a little glad Blu-Ray is "winning" simply because I just happen to have a Blu-Ray player. If I only happened to have an HD-DVD player, then I'd be a little sad. And when I mean little on both accounts, I'm mean extremely little. *shrugs*

GFLPraxis said:
They're like Pinky and the Brain almost. "What are we going to do tonight, Kaz?" "Same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to win a format war!"
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Narf!

iEdd said:
Dropping 'u's here and there and throwing a 'z' in every 2nd word. It's murder! :eek::p
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We felt that 'u' was getting too smug being in so many words and 'z' was being so neglected by comparison.
 
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