Have you calibrated the watch by doing a 20 min walk outside with your phone? I did this and it says it gets your motion and pace set. Not sure if that's it but figured I'd mention it. Basically I just did a walk outside workout with the phone and it said it was going to calibrate. I've really only tested this with walks though generally when I bike or elliptical I use the workout apps. I think if you are lifting weights you have to use the excercise app. Maybe it has to do with the excersize type. Seems to get walking down for me at least which is the biggest deal for me because I'm not going to kick off excercise every time but don't mind as much statting an excercise if I'm doing a dedicated workout like cycling etc... but maybe one of these days I'll try and do a cycle without the app and see what happens. I'm guessing that would probably be a lot less accurate.
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Have you calibrated the watch by doing a 20 min walk outside with your phone? I did this and it says it gets your motion and pace set. Not sure if that's it but figured I'd mention it. Basically I just did a walk outside workout with the phone and it said it was going to calibrate. I've really only tested this with walks though generally when I bike or elliptical I use the workout apps. I think if you are lifting weights you have to use the excercise app. Maybe it has to do with the excersize type. Seems to get walking down for me at least which is the biggest deal for me because I'm not going to kick off excercise every time but don't mind as much statting an excercise if I'm doing a dedicated workout like cycling etc... but maybe one of these days I'll try and do a cycle without the app and see what happens. I'm guessing that would probably be a lot less accurate.
Yes I've done this. Walking was something like 100 calories without the workout app and 160 with. Not too different. The big differences are things like weight lifting, elliptical and other non walking activities.
Yeah that makes sense I really wasn't comparing calories just the progress of the excercise ring. I seem to get credit on the excercise ring regardless if my pace is good. Calories may be way different though. I really didn't do any comparison with that. I may try it though since my walk is pretty consistent it should give a good comparison.
It won't be fixed. Directly from Apple engineers and executives I've been in contact with. "This is how it was suppose to be designed with from the beginning but we were unable to implement it in time for 1.0 so it was updated in 1.0.1".
This new changed is permanent.
That's what I figured. I have learned to live with it at this point. It does a great job recording my sleeping heart rate which is a good indicator of training recovery, so I am happy with that.
I would imagine there will be some 3rd party apps this fall that will let you use the HR sensor in a more configurable way.
Except that now the watch (for me at least) does NOT function the way they are saying it will. Their site (still) says that the "Apple Watch measures all the ways you move, such as walking the dog, taking the stairs, or playing with your kids. It even keeps track of when you stand up, and encourages you to keep moving. Because it all counts. And it all adds up." Mine doesn't. If I don't use the Workout app, I get ZERO in my exercise ring, no matter what I'm doing during the day. Perhaps mine is malfunctioning. I'm supposed to hear back from the engineers today.
Yep, mine is similar. Does not work as a passive activity tracker as they advertise if you must always engage the workout app. Makes it hard to get a good idea of actual calories burned if it is this inconsistent with itself.
Oh trust me I completely agree and extremely frustrated about this. These are not the devices I purchased. It's false advertising and is a bait and switch. But there is nothing apple is will to do except allow me to return the products outside of the return window. They wouldn't even offer me a free sports band for the hours I've spent on the phone with the engineers and executive team or for the fact that the product changed.
I'm still hoping to hear something different from the engineers who are supposed to contact me. I know, I know, probably stupid of me to hope, but there certainly is a history of hearing opposing things from different employees
that is the biggest bucket of poo I've ever heard from Apple execs.
I can't believe this was apple's intended behaviour. If it was, they would have tweaked it so that measurements were taken everytime the accelerometer detected no significant movement. The fact that if you move a fair amount the watch won't take any reading whatsoever for a full day means this is not expected result.
I completely agree. I get 1-2 readings a day now instead of 50-60. If you wait 9 minutes and move your wrist, it starts the 10 minutes over again. You have to be completely still for 10 minutes. It's worthless.
"We were unable to break it in time for 1.0, but we kept at it and finally managed to ruin it for 1.01"
I don't believe them. I think it was actually working the way it was supposed to in 1.0. That is, under 1.0, the watch would take a reading every 10 minutes, but it would sometimes miss readings. I assume that it was discarding readings or not taking readings because I moved while it tried to take a reading. I think it skipped readings for me more often that it did to other people, because I have a physical condition that makes me make a lot of involuntary movements. And I think in 1.01, they made the move detection too sensitive, and now it's happening to a lot more people.
Why would they have updated the support article then? The new article says that it won't be taken while in motion.
That doesn't mean that they won't change it again based on customer feedback. They changed the support article once, they can easily change it again.
I think it was the support article that was wrong -- it omitted saying it won't take HR while in motion, when that was how it was working all along.
Fair point. But they keep telling me the change was for battery life. Which I think is crap. My battery is the same before and after. Except now I don't get the readings.
The original article said "heart rate will be taken every 10 minutes". 1 week after 1.0.1 was released, after everyone started complaining it was broken. The article was updated to read as it is. "Will attempt to take your heart rate every 10 minutes while arm is not in motion". (Not word for word but that's the main point).
Yes, this. And since we know it can take and record HR while in motion, because it did it before AND it does it if you're using the Workout app, this makes no sense to me. Why attempt to take it if it's not going to record it? Why not just take it and record it every 10 minutes like they advertised to begin with - and like it did to begin with.
Again, I completely agree with you. I've just given up hope that it will be changing back. Those that I have spoken with said that the change if so battery and more accuracy. Mine was very accurate before and my battery life is no different now, so I think its a bunch of lies they are feeding us.
I hate the fact that I have a product that has been changed without my consent. That is the biggest thing I took up with Executives. I paid for an item, and they changed it without telling me. If the software update mentioned this, I would not have upgraded, but they changed it.
Yes, I know. What I am saying is that for me, it worked from the very beginning under 1.0 as it is described now -- it attempted to take HR every 10 minutes, but skipped reading/recording every once in a while. I'm guessing that people didn't complain because they didn't get any skipped readings. Then in 1.01, I think the criteria for when it skipped readings got upped too much, and now everyone is complaining. Then someone noticed that they'd forgotten to mention the skipping readings feature in the manual, so they updated the manual. But they could leave the manual as it is, and adjust the motion sensitivity so it doesn't skip readings so frequently.