Yes. I understand perfectly. I also understand the BIG PICTURE of why there is a lawsuit to begin with.
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Yes. I understand perfectly. I also understand the BIG PICTURE of why there is a lawsuit to begin with.
That would be news to all the PPC owners.
It is not against the law, but it is clearly a violation of Apple's license agreement. Don't believe us? Read it yourself here:
http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx106.pdf
Yeah, if you don't mind violating Apple's EULA.
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well, the point people have been making is that the EULA specifically limits your license to using it on a Mac.....at least that's what the license says in the USA, if you're in Canada, it may be different for all I know
No one said it was illegal. We said it's a violation of Apple's EULA (which it is!), which is why it won't be supported.
I don't mind one bit.
Right.. I'm supposed to thank all of the users who offered up ignorant advice and adamently claimed to know the truth when in fact they had no idea what they were talking about. Gotcha..
They said it was against the EULA, which you can read by yourself. How is that ignorant?
We told you the truth. We didn't say it was illegal. We said it violates Apple's EULA. That is a fact. You confirmed it when the Apple rep said it wouldn't be supported. If you don't like the factual answers, don't ask the question!
We told you the truth. We didn't say it was illegal. We said it violates Apple's EULA. That is a fact. You confirmed it when the Apple rep said it wouldn't be supported. If you don't like the factual answers, don't ask the question!
There seems to be some confusion about "illegality" (violation of law) and EULA violation (a breach of a contractual agreement not to use OS X on a non-apple machine). Also, I doubt that the Mac support person Dawgma spoke to is a lawyer or that the company would be bound by his statements should they choose to pursue action. It sounds to me as though, at least for now, the stated policy as relayed by the support representative is that personal-use Hackintoshing is a breach of EULA, though not a violation of law, and that Apple will back up its EULA by denying support, at least in this one case.
That's actually reasonable, and of course Apple would take greater steps to enforce its EULA if a company is trying to SELL Hackintosh PCs--heck, not only does Apple have an obligation to defend its brand, that's $$ out the company's pocket, potentially.
Op just kill the thread. You'll get no help here. Head over to hackintosh.org or insanelymac.com and they will get you on your way.
I'm very disappointed in the rest of you.
I'm very disappointed in the rest of you.
The correct word is "You're."
Back to the original question, here is an article, or rather a series of linked articles, on how-to from lifehacker.com:
http://lifehacker.com/348653/install-os-x-on-your-hackintosh-pc-no-hacking-required
Dawgma
Before you get your knickers in knot.... please realize that the members here merely told you what the SLA says. "...you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at a time. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer, or to enable others to do so."
http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx106.pdf
I don't think anyone here has ever bothered to call Apple to see if they actually meant it when it says ".... you agree not install... the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer."
When you ask how to install a "legitimate" copy OS X onto a PC you were asking how to do it within the limits of the SLA. So, you were told what the SLA says.... which is that a copy of OS X is not legitimate if its installed onto a PC. Also note the line that says you can't "... enable others to do so." Which means that, in a very technical sense, if someone had advised you on how to install OS X onto a PC then they would be violation of the SLA, unless they didn't actually own OS X at the time.... but, that is hair splitting to the nth degree.
The Apple employee may have told you otherwise, but they would be contradicting the SLA as written (which is not the same as being wrong or right). Apple may have an internal policy that allows employees to interpret the SLA like that, but I think that would be news to this thread.
If you are asking how to "technically" install OS X on a PC, then you will need to go to different source to ask. For the most part, the members here are pretty tough on people who violate the SLA. This is not to start the SLA is legal/illegal argument, just that the members here - for the most part - choose to abide by the terms of the SLA
People here, for the most part, were trying to help you... within the limits that you had set in your initial question by asking how to install a "legitimate" copy on PC. You may not have liked the answer, but it was IMO the correct answer.
Before you get your knickers in knot.... please realize that the members here merely told you what the SLA says. "...you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at a time. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer, or to enable others to do so."
http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx106.pdf
I don't think anyone here has ever bothered to call Apple to see if they actually meant it when it says ".... you agree not install... the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer."
When you ask how to install a "legitimate" copy OS X onto a PC you were asking how to do it within the limits of the SLA. So, you were told what the SLA says.... which is that a copy of OS X is not legitimate if its installed onto a PC. Also note the line that says you can't "... enable others to do so." Which means that, in a very technical sense, if someone had advised you on how to install OS X onto a PC then they would be violation of the SLA, unless they didn't actually own OS X at the time.... but, that is hair splitting to the nth degree.
The Apple employee may have told you otherwise, but they would be contradicting the SLA as written (which is not the same as being wrong or right). Apple may have an internal policy that allows employees to interpret the SLA like that, but I think that would be news to this thread.
If you are asking how to "technically" install OS X on a PC, then you will need to go to different source to ask. For the most part, the members here are pretty tough on people who violate the SLA. This is not to start the SLA is legal/illegal argument, just that the members here - for the most part - choose to abide by the terms of the SLA
People here, for the most part, were trying to help you... within the limits that you had set in your initial question by asking how to install a "legitimate" copy on PC. You may not have liked the answer, but it was IMO the correct answer.
Apple has not designed Snow Leopard (or any other version of OS X) such that you can just pop the disc in and install it on a PC. You will indeed need to look elsewhere (read: not on MacRumors) for the additional software, drivers, and scripts needed to make it work (yes, even with a "legitimate copy" there are still workarounds necessary to get OS X running on a PC, and hardware compatibility is a definite issue. You can't just expect it to run on any PC hardware you wish-- this goes back to Apple not supporting it. It's entirely possible that you may not be able to get some of your hardware components to work, or at least not without problems.)
It's doable but it's not terribly user friendly-- Apple has no interest in making it easy for you to do, as their software promotes their hardware.
Legal issues aside, you seem to want to buy the retail version of OS X, pop it into your PC and have OS X running after a normal install. This is not going to work. You need a custom build of OS X that will work on PCs. Apple does not provide such a build, and members here have directed you to the correct place to obtain these builds.
I could ask a similar question here: "I want to install UNIX/LINUX on my iPod, but Apple does not have any information on this! I called Apple and they said I could do it but they would not support it!"
Is it possible to run LINUX on an iPod:Yes
Is it possible to run a retail/standard installation of LINUX on an iPod:No
(http://ipodlinux.org/wiki/Main_Page)
Is it possible to run OS X on a PC:Yes
Is it possible to run the retail version of OS X on a PC:No
I could ask a similar question here: "I want to install UNIX/LINUX on my iPod, but Apple does not have any information on this! I called Apple and they said I could do it but they would not support it!"
Is it possible to run LINUX on an iPod:Yes
Is it possible to run a retail/standard installation of LINUX on an iPod:No
(http://ipodlinux.org/wiki/Main_Page)
Is it possible to run OS X on a PC:Yes
Is it possible to run the retail version of OS X on a PC:No
You mean the box set.
Legally, is there actually any difference between those three scenarios? All involve installing the software without a valid license to do so.
I'd be ready to call troll on this one if the OP didn't come back quite so much. Instead I'm just calling this one someone who can't understand why when people tell him he can't do something the way he wants, he can't just whine and yell until they tell him it's ok.
OP, there's been no misinformation in this thread (ok, I take that back, there was one post about family packs being full version or some nonsense like that, but I think everyone, including you, ignored that one), nor have you gotten the correct answer from Apple (if you indeed called them). It is a violation of Apple SLA (contrary to popular opinion, they don't use an EULA, though in principle it's almost the same) to install Mac OS X (any version) on a non-Apple-branded computer. You therefore will be in violation of the license, and in addition to receiving no support, will not have what could conceivable be considered a "legitimate" copy. The illegitimacy comes from breaking the license, not breaking the law.
Before you go shouting about how unhelpful the community here is, why don't you go back and look at how many (correct) answers you got before you even decided to go call Apple (if you were going to ignore us, why didn't you call them first?). I think you'll find that this community was quite helpful as far as we are able to be, and you simply got your "knickers in a knot" as one of the earlier posters so succinctly put it, all because we didn't give you the answer you wanted. You've (intentionally?) misrepresented what we've said and what you were told on the phone by Apple, all so that you can make yourself feel better and try to make us look bad.
You want to go install Mac OS X on your PC? Go ahead. This isn't the place to get support for that, but you're welcome to ask questions here about legitimate installations on a Mac or other unrelated questions. Want to run away crying to mommy about how we mistreated you? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
We've tried to help you (or rather, everyone before me, because I'm a little late to the party on this one), but you just refuse to be helped, it seems. If you want to leave, good riddance. If not, try to be a little less whiny and a little more willing to accept an answer next time.
jW
OP, there's been no misinformation in this thread (ok, I take that back, there was one post about family packs being full version or some nonsense like that, but I think everyone, including you, ignored that one), nor have you gotten the correct answer from Apple (if you indeed called them). It is a violation of Apple SLA (contrary to popular opinion, they don't use an EULA, though in principle it's almost the same) to install Mac OS X (any version) on a non-Apple-branded computer. You therefore will be in violation of the license, and in addition to receiving no support, will not have what could conceivable be considered a "legitimate" copy. The illegitimacy comes from breaking the license, not breaking the law.
Before you go shouting about how unhelpful the community here is, why don't you go back and look at how many (correct) answers you got before you even decided to go call Apple (if you were going to ignore us, why didn't you call them first?). I think you'll find that this community was quite helpful as far as we are able to be, and you simply got your "knickers in a knot" as one of the earlier posters so succinctly put it, all because we didn't give you the answer you wanted. You've (intentionally?) misrepresented what we've said and what you were told on the phone by Apple, all so that you can make yourself feel better and try to make us look bad.
You want to go install Mac OS X on your PC? Go ahead. This isn't the place to get support for that, but you're welcome to ask questions here about legitimate installations on a Mac or other unrelated questions. Want to run away crying to mommy about how we mistreated you? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
We've tried to help you (or rather, everyone before me, because I'm a little late to the party on this one), but you just refuse to be helped, it seems. If you want to leave, good riddance. If not, try to be a little less whiny and a little more willing to accept an answer next time.
jW
if im not mistaken it can be done but not with a retail copy of mac osx unless you have exactly the same hardware in your PC as would be found in a mac.. otherwise you have to use a hacked version or find some other way to get the drivers loaded... and there is always the possibility apple could (although unlikely) make future versions completely incompatible with your hardware... so if your feeling adventurous then by all means go ahead, but be forewarned you most likely have a big headache ahead of you trying to get everything working properly...
Like other have said, see what Apple v Psystar is all about. Apple doesn't want OS X on PCs, period.
Your answer: OS X will not run natively on any PC, only on Apple branded hardware (ei MacBooks, iMacs, Mac Pros, MacBoom Pros/Airs, & Mac Minis). If you want a Hackint0sh, then that would be a modified [noticed modified not pirated] version of OS X. Also, you do not need 10.5 to use 10.6. Mac OS X 10.6 (the $29 box) is a full version of 10.6. Apple only has 2 versions of stuff, the single pack and family pack and those are the full blown OS [albeit the family pack lets you install up to 5 Macs].
You can [as a DIY project] modify OS X installer to let you install on your PC. Just follow these rules. However, omit the whole building part and go straight to the part where you actually modify OS X for installation.
Okay original poster (OP) you do realize as others have stated you can not just take a copy of 10.4, 10.5, or 10.6 insert it into the optical drive and expect it to allow you to partition the drive and do a direct install.
Secondly, MacRumors is very picky on allowing people to talk about illegal/ gray areas. Be grateful that forum members pointed you in the right direction with the hackintosh link. (I also believe after looking over the links a couple of years ago I realized that your pc needs to be built from specific parts to allow for driver compatibility. This means that unless your laptop uses the same parts that apples computers use your screwed. It may have changed but I highly doubt it)
Thirdly, you should have done the proper research before going out and buying your computer. You then would have realized that for an "average joe computer user" (which is what you sound like after reading your original post) you should have just bought a mac and then bought a copy of windows and installed it through bootcamp.
Fourthly, you should not become angry and whine like a child. Most other forum users would agree that for your knowledge you have provided us with you do not know much about macs (some would say just computers in general since you seem to fail to grasp the concept of how its more complex then just inserting the install disk). Many users on here will only help users if the OP did go out and do research on the topic before coming on here.
Lastly, do not assume that every Apple representative knows everything or is always right. They are human. Keep in mind you are not speaking directly to Steve Jobs, Tim Cook, or Jonathan Ive. Many Apple Genius', staff, phone support etc have provided forum users with incorrect or wrong answer. Just MRoogle the topic and you will find a bunch of angry users ranting.
Oh and with that kind of attitude OP no one will want to help you...
Secondly, MacRumors is very picky on allowing people to talk about illegal/ gray areas. Be grateful that forum members pointed you in the right direction with the hackintosh link. (I also believe after looking over the links a couple of years ago I realized that your pc needs to be built from specific parts to allow for driver compatibility. This means that unless your laptop uses the same parts that apples computers use your screwed. It may have changed but I highly doubt it)
Thirdly, you should have done the proper research before going out and buying your computer. You then would have realized that for an "average joe computer user" (which is what you sound like after reading your original post) you should have just bought a mac and then bought a copy of windows and installed it through bootcamp.
Fourthly, you should not become angry and whine like a child. Most other forum users would agree that for your knowledge you have provided us with you do not know much about macs (some would say just computers in general since you seem to fail to grasp the concept of how its more complex then just inserting the install disk). Many users on here will only help users if the OP did go out and do research on the topic before coming on here.
Lastly, do not assume that every Apple representative knows everything or is always right. They are human. Keep in mind you are not speaking directly to Steve Jobs, Tim Cook, or Jonathan Ive. Many Apple Genius', staff, phone support etc have provided forum users with incorrect or wrong answer. Just MRoogle the topic and you will find a bunch of angry users ranting.
Oh and with that kind of attitude OP no one will want to help you...
Check out ProCD vs. Zeidenberg which makes very, very clear that EULAs are enforceable. The link goes the actual court decision. Don't be afraid, it is very accessible for the layman. It also explains very well the actual legal basis for EULAs and what they are good for.
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/metaschool/fisher/contract/cases/procd.htm
If we ignore that Apple is not very likely to sue a single end user, a court would likely take into account how much you knew that you were doing something wrong. If you bought a Dell computer, and a full license of Snow Leopard, and installed it without problems (which won't happen, you'll have to do something to make it install), and nobody ever told you that you shouldn't do this, then you might convince a court that you had no idea that you were doing something wrong. If you downloaded MacOS X from a torrent, you would have a much harder time.
Just go buy Snow Leopard and install it on your PC. It's $30 so I don't understand what the problem is (other than all the Forum Lawyers here). It's your choice to ignore there warnings. I think Lifehacker or Gizmodo had a tutorial on how to do this (install SL on a PC).