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Apple fixed the MBP lineup, finally making them machines appropriate for their target audience, who need workstation-class laptops for video, engineering, and scientific work. This change wasn't done because of "a very small group of very vocal users/YouTubers". It happened because Apple brought in a range of established industry professionals, including creatives and computer scientists ("Pro Workflow Team": https://macdailynews.com/2019/06/05...earned-will-trickle-down-to-all-pro-products/) to ensure they delivered pro products that worked for them. Both the new Mac Pro, and these new MBP's, are a result of that.

However, I agree that has created a gap in Apple's product lineup. They need a lightweight laptop for people who want a big screen but don't need the workstation-level power the new MBP's offer. Really, what they need is a 15" or 16" Macbook Air.

In the meantime, the best option for you is probably a 14" MBP. It's more portable (smaller, and a half-pound lighter) than the old 15" butterfly MBP you seek, and vastly more powerful. The one downside is you give up 1" of screen diagonal.

And let's stop body-shaming the new MBP's ;).
total rubbish.

They didn't need to go back 10 years on the design to achieve this.
 
Agreed, now that Apple has doubled downed on professional laptops, I have to assume they will develop a fan less MBA 16 inch, with the old display tech at a slight upcharge.

I think a lot of people want a bigger display without the performance given by the new MBPs, Word / Reading / Safari, I can't imagine Apple not filling this market need.
 
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total rubbish.

They didn't need to go back 10 years on the design to achieve this.
Wow, that's a sophisticated put-down of my argument. If you want to see rubbish, just look at your own post.

Nearly everything about these new machines is vastly more advanced than what they were doing 10 years ago. Though it actually takes a modicum of understanding to see this, which your crude attempt at a put-down clearly indicates you lack:

unified memory accessible by CPU and GPU
specialized coprocessors for machine learning, video processing, audio processing, etc. etc.
substantial increase in cache
substantial increase in efficiency
huge increase in memory bandwidth -- up to 400 GBs, which is extraordinary and typically not seen outside of server chips that, by themselves, cost about as much as an MBP.
SSDs with I/O of up to 7.6 GBps
TB4 ports capable of driving up to 3 x 6 k monitors

multi-region LED dimming
120 Hz refresh rate
254 ppi pixel density

1080 p camera

And I could go on and on.
 
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Short story:

Does anyone know of any legit stores still selling the last 15" MBP Apple made before the fattening began, in Silver, sealed and with standard Apple warranty? (Failing that, the early intel 16")?

Long story:

I hate what Apple has done to the new MBPs. The only thing I like about them is the notch and slim bezels, everything else seems like caving to the demands of a very small group of very vocal users/YouTubers who wanted the laptop to be so chunky it couldn't leave home, wanted old legacy ports, and had an irrational hate of the Touch Bar that would have puzzled the best psychotherapists. They got what they wanted, good for them! I doubt Apple will sell many of these thick boys, but at least now the have managed to shut the YouTube crowd up, or better yet, to make them purr. Good for all.

But many of us who used to buy Apple's largest laptop did not care a bit about performance and even less so about SD cards. What we wanted was a large screen laptop by Apple, that's all. If a 16" MacBook Air existed, we would buy it by the dozen. Apple's old strategy was to upsell us to the Pro machines, which was fine because they were still relatively slim and portable. Now that strategy has gone. Perhaps Apple will eventually humor us, and release a 15-16" MacBook non-Pro with reasonable weight (I don't even care what they do with ports and Touch Bar, as long as the thing is somewhat portable). Until then, I would love to scoop up the last slimline 15" MBP made, or, failing that, the 16" before it became obese.
Apple is going to sell a metric crap ton of these “thick boys”. METRIC. CRAP. TON.

Go to the Apple Refurbished store and buy an actual Apple Refurb that has been extensively inspected and has a one year warranty along with the option of purchasing AppleCare+.

But truly, you’re wasting your money buying Intel at this point. Especially after these performance videos show just how fast the new MBPs are.

Good luck!
 
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I was thinking about holding out for the M2 in the next MBA because I do prefer slimmer design but I have a feeling the pro models will still exclusively reserve things like the 120Hz ProMotion display and 1080p webcam...
 
No OP, the 15" MBP is an absolute obese whale of a machine, I have absolute no idea why you'd want to carry one of those metal pieces of junk around. Absolutely nothing beats paper. Simply draw whatever it is you want to do with your computer onto the paper.

I'm seeking a sealed, standard A4 paper, preferably in bone white, with standard paper warranty (Failing that, a US letter size paper will do).
 
BTW for anyone living in the real world: I moved from a 15" MBP like the OP describes to an M1 Max machine and the thickness difference is practically not there. You won't notice it in the real world.
 
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Short story:

Does anyone know of any legit stores still selling the last 15" MBP Apple made before the fattening began, in Silver, sealed and with standard Apple warranty? (Failing that, the early intel 16")?

Long story:

I hate what Apple has done to the new MBPs. The only thing I like about them is the notch and slim bezels, everything else seems like caving to the demands of a very small group of very vocal users/YouTubers who wanted the laptop to be so chunky it couldn't leave home, wanted old legacy ports, and had an irrational hate of the Touch Bar that would have puzzled the best psychotherapists. They got what they wanted, good for them! I doubt Apple will sell many of these thick boys, but at least now the have managed to shut the YouTube crowd up, or better yet, to make them purr. Good for all.

But many of us who used to buy Apple's largest laptop did not care a bit about performance and even less so about SD cards. What we wanted was a large screen laptop by Apple, that's all. If a 16" MacBook Air existed, we would buy it by the dozen. Apple's old strategy was to upsell us to the Pro machines, which was fine because they were still relatively slim and portable. Now that strategy has gone. Perhaps Apple will eventually humor us, and release a 15-16" MacBook non-Pro with reasonable weight (I don't even care what they do with ports and Touch Bar, as long as the thing is somewhat portable). Until then, I would love to scoop up the last slimline 15" MBP made, or, failing that, the 16" before it became obese.
Your post makes me VERY happy, as someone about to sell their 2019 MBP.
 
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It is half a pound heavier than my 2018 but its not thicker it just has no taper. It feels really good. the 1/2 pound is allot in a 4 lb item I get that but this laptop feels really good sitting on a couch working. The hinge is much better the only ding I would put on the size is exra weight in my bag when I need to carry it.
 
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Short story:

Does anyone know of any legit stores still selling the last 15" MBP Apple made before the fattening began, in Silver, sealed and with standard Apple warranty? (Failing that, the early intel 16")?

Long story:

I hate what Apple has done to the new MBPs. The only thing I like about them is the notch and slim bezels, everything else seems like caving to the demands of a very small group of very vocal users/YouTubers who wanted the laptop to be so chunky it couldn't leave home, wanted old legacy ports, and had an irrational hate of the Touch Bar that would have puzzled the best psychotherapists. They got what they wanted, good for them! I doubt Apple will sell many of these thick boys, but at least now the have managed to shut the YouTube crowd up, or better yet, to make them purr. Good for all.

But many of us who used to buy Apple's largest laptop did not care a bit about performance and even less so about SD cards. What we wanted was a large screen laptop by Apple, that's all. If a 16" MacBook Air existed, we would buy it by the dozen. Apple's old strategy was to upsell us to the Pro machines, which was fine because they were still relatively slim and portable. Now that strategy has gone. Perhaps Apple will eventually humor us, and release a 15-16" MacBook non-Pro with reasonable weight (I don't even care what they do with ports and Touch Bar, as long as the thing is somewhat portable). Until then, I would love to scoop up the last slimline 15" MBP made, or, failing that, the 16" before it became obese.
Funny, these same vocal YouTubers in their unboxing reviews are astonished by the size, weight and chunk by these, particularly the 16. You can see the disappointment in their eyes. They won’t be overly critical because they’re shills but you can definitely see how shocked they are.
 
...you should try reading it! I acknowledge that I am not the target market. But I am also saying that Apple used to funnel a lot non-performance hungry users towards the larger laptops, because they simply did not make a large screen laptop other than the Pro.
I am one of those non-Pros that Apple targets for the aforementioned up-sell strategy. I’ve always been happy to give money to them because I am impulsive and cannot control myself. This time around, I can’t get over the weight, backwardized design, useless ports, and thickness and will stick with what I have. I think Apple made a mistake.
 
I was thinking about holding out for the M2 in the next MBA because I do prefer slimmer design but I have a feeling the pro models will still exclusively reserve things like the 120Hz ProMotion display and 1080p webcam...
I think the 1080p, the notch, and reduced bezels will be featured in the M2 Air 15/16. Agree about ProMotion. I don’t expect this new machine to be released until 2023 after Apple up-sells as many new 16’s to consumers and prosumers. And when it finally does come out, it will be pretty expensive.
 
I wasn't happy with them as announced, but playing with them in store, they really do look better in reality; would have preferred a tad lighter but it's not a dealbreaker. The 16" inch feels like the previous 16", I was thinking of going 14" this time, but when the time comes I will stay with 16 for the extra battery life and screen real estate.
 
The weight is absolutely relevant, as is the thickness. Professionals travel dude, they don't just sit at home, and the computer needs to be lappable. I have the 16" Intel MacBook Pro and it looks like the next generation version of these new MBPs, as it's noticeably thinner and smaller. What happened to how efficient these M1 processors are and how Apple should be able to make a thin and light laptop... well, now that they added back the legacy ports... it's all so stupid.
Not to me. 5 lbs is nothing and the size is also irrelevant. I'm typing this on the new 16" right now. I prefer it large. If it's too much for you, lift some weights.

If Apple made a 17 or 18 inch, I'd buy that too.
 
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Here is the M1 MBA and the new 14-inch, back to back.

Hmmm the MacBook Air must be obese in your opinion.

I come back to the MBP forum every day for a good laugh and I wasn’t disappointed.
 
As far as these new macbook pro being slightly thicker and heavyer is simple because
Apple needs to repair all the older ones were they are tired
of fixing the thinner and lighter Macbook pros recently.
who really knows how many of the recent models broke from dropping just for
being thinner and lightweight, since most add an apple care plan and are covered.
 
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