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Help me find a new non-obese MBP
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You don't want a laptop, you want a tank. For a non-creative like you who doesn't do much creative work at all and just posts on the Internet and types some documents at home with basically no travel, why don't you just buy an expensive gaming Windows laptop.
The rest of use creatives: we'll keep holding Apple to a higher standard. This is 2021, a full 20 years after the first Apple PowerBook TiBook. That laptop was Apple's first real thin bezelled laptop that was groundbreaking. It had a widescreen 15.2" screen and small bezels, was made out of titanium, and housed a G4 chip that for the time was quite powerful. It weighed 5.3 lbs, which is 0.5 lbs more than the new 16" MacBook Pro M1 Max. The thing is, the new MBP weighs exactly the same amount more (0.5 lbs) as the previous 16" Intel MBP it's replacing.
This isn't progress. This is compromising too much and not innovating at a pace needed. 20 years of R&D and Apple laptops are getting heavier, even with a chip that is supposed to be so much more powerful with better thermals.
For the rest of us creatives, who actually do creative work and travel, having a laptop that you have to lug around that weighs half a pound more is noticeable. Apple should be able to make the 16" thinner and lighter without compromising on performance. They didn't push hard enough, and slapped on legacy ports. Here I sit with this beast on my lap. The difference in weight is noticeable compared to my 16" Intel MBP.
The days of Steve Jobs gracing the stage and pulling a laptop out of an envelope are over: that was well over a decade ago.
Eh, there's more than two opinions in the world about MBPs where pros don't care about the weight and thickness and non pros want a MBA. I'm a pro and I would have preferred something lighter because I want to pack my laptop everywhere I go without even thinking twice about if I want to carry the extra weight.
I would keep an eye on eBay. I've seen some proper vendors on there selling certified refurbished units that came with Apple warranty, but don't know of any right now selling 15" ones. One vendor in particular was selling a build of the i7 13" MBP that wasn't available in the Apple Refurbished Store at the time and was selling it for less than Apple was. Sometimes vendors have old stock sitting around.
B&H has also been known to pull up a crate full of old stock out of the blue from time to time for a clearance sale.
Same here. Went with the 14” since its’s the best compromise but I would kill for an 16” air
Yes.. this whole post seems strange to the point of wondering if the OP is trolling.
The new 16" laptops are .66" thick. Are we really complaining a professional workhorse computer with a 16" screen being 2/3rds of an inch thick?
Many MBP users did not bother with the silly 2016+ MacBooks with useless Touch Bars and an array of dongles because they got rid of all the ports, and have been holding out for exactly this computer. Im not sure the verification, but I heard multiple reports saying Apple was expecting the highest amount of existing users to upgrade to this model out of any new MBP launch before. That's indicative of the large number of holdouts who you claim are just a very small group of very vocal users/YouTubers that Apple caved to. You are in the minority and you clearly don't realize it.
Speaking of holdouts upgrading.. the 15" version of the 2015 and older machines many were still using before these 2021s came out were .71" thick, .05" thicker than the new MBP that comes with an even larger screen in a slimmer size. So are we really going on about "the fattening" of MacBook Pros because the most controversial designed/worst MacBook pros ever were .05" thinner than the new ones..? 🤔🤦♂️
OP has a point though... if you want a large-screen Mac laptop, you have no choice other than to go for a 16" MBP. Similarly, if you want a machine with more than two ports, you have to go for a MBP, or buy a dongle/hub.
Having something like a 16" Air in their lineup won't do much to affect MBP sales but I bet would sell a reasonable amount. With the move to M1 silicon, I'd love to see a proper ultra-light laptop of 12" and a larger Air.
Having something like a 16" Air in their lineup won't do much to affect MBP sales but I bet would sell a reasonable amount. With the move to M1 silicon, I'd love to see a proper ultra-light laptop of 12" and a larger Air.
The 16" feels much thicker and fairly heavy compared to my older 2016 15" MBP. I didn't buy one, I was just trying one out at the Apple Store while there for an iPhone issue. It was pretty surprising though.
I wonder how the 14" stacks up size wise compared to the older 15"?
I wonder how the 14" stacks up size wise compared to the older 15"?
When Apple Silicon opens up a whole new world of possibilities for a 15” thin and light it seems a waste not to pursue that in some form. They had to make too many compromises with the Intel based 15” in 2016, but it was still a fantastically compact and light full size laptop. Now they could probably go even smaller without any of those compromises! I know I’d love to see it, if the 2016 had actually worked as intended it would have been a great machine.
I really don't get what the fuss is about at all, people are acting like it's a massive increase in thickness when that's just not the case.
I upgraded from a Late 2013 15" MacBook Pro to a 2019 16" MacBook Pro, that was a 0.71" thickness device to a 0.61" thickness device, a reduction of 0.10" (2.54mm) in total and in my opinion not particularly noticeable when it came to usage or travelling.
The new 16" MacBook Pro with the M1 Max is exactly in between the two previous MacBook Pros I had, coming in at 0.66 inch, an increase of 0.05" (1.27mm) over the 2019 model but 0.05" thinner than the 2013 model which is a completely negligible amount and barely noticeable unless you're bringing out callipers to measure it.
The only real difference is that it's not tapered so it looks significantly thicker despite that not actually being the case.
It's a little heavier than the Late 2013 15" MacBook Pro I had but I never felt that it was a heavy device at all in the first place.
I upgraded from a Late 2013 15" MacBook Pro to a 2019 16" MacBook Pro, that was a 0.71" thickness device to a 0.61" thickness device, a reduction of 0.10" (2.54mm) in total and in my opinion not particularly noticeable when it came to usage or travelling.
The new 16" MacBook Pro with the M1 Max is exactly in between the two previous MacBook Pros I had, coming in at 0.66 inch, an increase of 0.05" (1.27mm) over the 2019 model but 0.05" thinner than the 2013 model which is a completely negligible amount and barely noticeable unless you're bringing out callipers to measure it.
The only real difference is that it's not tapered so it looks significantly thicker despite that not actually being the case.
It's a little heavier than the Late 2013 15" MacBook Pro I had but I never felt that it was a heavy device at all in the first place.
Same thoughts here. Maybe for people coming from pre-2015 15” MacBooks or 2019+ 16” ones don’t notice as much of a difference, but the 2015-2019 ones definitely are better in terms of design and ergonomics. It may be the last forward-thinking design now that Ive is gone.
Too bad, but maybe they can slim it down again in later generations of the M if they can get it even more efficient and won’t need as much space for thermals/batteries. Not holding my breath though..
They have changed by 1 mm thickness 6mm width 8mm depth and 270g the biggest change here is weight that’s about the same as a small kids juice pack 250ml.
And gained .8 of an inch diagonal screen real estate and double the battery life against the 15 inch model to be honest this seems like a very good trade off from apple to be honest.
Do remember the intel machines just looked smaller because of the chamfered sides. The 14 inch is actually thinner than the thick part of the 13 inch pro for example.
16” Air would be a top seller. Hopefully fan boys will exercise some self-control and not spend $2,500 + for the MBP 16, and Apple will see this.
I know this seems like first world problems but I could carry my 2016 15” mb pro around with one hand and no way I could do that with the new 16
I can attest. It is a behemoth. Certainly a trade-off for the larger/more immersive screen and excellent battery life. I think I’ll wait until the end of 2022 to make my upgrade. We should have or know by then the specs of a larger Air, and who knows, maybe by then we’ll get upgrades like Face ID to the 14/16 MBP.
Could you do it with the old 16”? It’s not like this is Apples first 16” laptop and the new one is only slightly heavier than the old one with the old design.
There will not be a 16” Air. It will be 14”. The Air is a product that is supposed to be Apple’s most portable laptop. It was 13.3” like the 13.3” MBP. It will go to 14” like the 14” MBP. It will have a notch and should be thin. But don’t expect Samsung Bezel Blade thin: Apple no longer as the ability to pull something like that off. Steve Jobs is long gone…
Nah, I lost weight. I saw the light, higher fatalities if your bmi is over 30 with covid (I was 32). F-it do something about it. I am lightest I've been since before starting grad school 10 years ago.
The difference is less than 7/8 tenths of a pound (depending on pro/max).. i upgraded from a 13” and have been carrying the new 16 all over with one hand no problem? Sure it’s bigger, but that screen 😍. And I’ve only charged it once in the past week.
ok admittedly it looks bigger of course because of the square design that lets apple cramp better thermals and battery and cooling. But having a 16in, 13m1 air, its not stupid thick. Its an illusions really since the rubber feet are taller and combined with the square body makes it look bigger than it actually is.
So 4 lbs is a piece of cake…but 4 1/2….whoa, that’s just crazy talk. Got it.
Right! My MBA m1 is 2.8 and and my new 14 is 3.5. I will sacrifice .08 lbs for bigger screen.
I think you mean "professionals who need performance".
Personally i'm going to be all over a 14" once the crypto market settles down after this current climb and i cash some out. Currently on an MBA because at the time, apple had nothing with decent performance in this form factor so may as well go smallest...