If you're holding out for the rumored M2 15 inch Air, the leaker in the tweet attached is reputable and highly accurate. Also attached is a render based on his rumored specs sans notch. Looks hideous to me, irrespective of the notch, how can there be off-white bezels??? Apple's way to up-sell the new 14/16 to consumers and prosumers.
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Enough of a percentage for Apple to listen, reverse course and bring them back.
Maybe in 5 - 10 years USB-C will be more ubiquitous as a display connector on TVs, Projectors and Monitors, until then HDMI is literally everywhere and used by everyone.
SD Cards will continue to be ubiquitous for the growing middle tier of media production that makes up online content creators and businesses getting into video. SD is cheap, reliable and fast enough to record professional 4k video, and there will be a heck of a lot more people using it and a MBP than people using using high-end recording media.
I will agree with you here, a half-pound is a significant increase. However, everyone needs to understand, this isn't designed as a hybrid consumer/professional laptop like the MBP of past. It is Apple listening to a segment that are looking for portable performance that isn't compromised by design and the answer to how do you make a laptop that can hit the gas and run full-throttle, unhindered, until it runs out of battery or just keep going if on AC. For those that don't care so much about aesthetics or power consumption, it's the portable 2019 MacPro... or Apple's version of a Dell Precision workstation laptop if you prefer, it's unapologetically industrial.
I think/hope Apple has finally figured out that there is a distinction between the up-market consumer buying their "Pro" products as a status symbol and the professional Mac customers that don't care about shaving two sheets of aluminum foil off the design and adding 2 hours of battery life every year. I am almost certain an up-market MacBook is being worked on in the labs at Apple to replace the spot in the lineup where the 13" MacBook Pro is looking pretty odd.
I agree with this statement. I would love a 15" MacBook Air but the only way to get a large screen on Apple machines has been to go Pro unfortunately. I don't need the power of the Pro machines but I can't deal with 13" machines. I'm currently testing the 14" Pro. Somehow I feel a 15" MacBook Air would significantly cut into the sales for the 16" Pro machines and that's why I don't see Apple going down that route, which is really too bad.
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I don't think it looks that bad. Plus I bet you they offer a "black" option at the top end that adds a premium for nothing other than the color exclusively for the up-marketability of it. It's not like they haven't done it before...
Also, with the way the world and economy is starting to list a little, I think it would be really smart for them to have a really strong, no BS 14/15" form factor that screams incredible value like the M1 Air does when MicroCenter puts it on Sale for $799.
"Apple caved..." ??? Apple built what the customer wanted... hardly "caving"... Y'all should just take your ball and go home, stomping your tiny little feet all the way.
Agree. I don't use the legacy ports for the most part, but I certainly don't find them offensive in any way. I'm glad MagSafe is back and I'm happy to use the USB without a dongle.
Why don’t you wait for next year on the rumoured 16” MBA that Apple is working on rather than going nuts on a laptop you don’t like?
These are not assumptions. The data transfer speeds of the latest USB C are superior to SD Cards. I have read about camera makers like Sony and Nikon including high bandwidth USB C data ports on some of their cameras for the very reasons I'm mentioning.
I don't know how many MacBook Pro Users use the SD Card slot, so I have never made an assumption about it, or anything really... but there is no evidence that the vast majority of MacBook Pro Users will use a built in SD Card slot, or even need it. There are over ~100 million Mac Users. How many of them use an SD Card slot? And if this is so important, why not put it on the iMac? And also put it on the iPads and iPhones...
And if you do need to plug your SD Card into your Mac, then you can easily do it with just USB C, thereby negating the need to build in a legacy port:
USB-C to SD Card Reader
The USB-C to SD Card Reader transfers high-resolution photos and videos at UHS-II speeds to your Mac or iPad Pro. Buy now at apple.com.
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Now, Apple has legacy, thicker ports like HDMI and the computer has gotten thicker, in part, to accommodate these old ports. It's as if Apple's head is disconnected from its body: there is no arbiter of logic at the company anymore and dumb things like this slip through.
Go into Photography forums and see people complain about not wanting to use SD Card slots: they're expensive, they're easily lost, they wear out, they error out, etc. My wife has been a professional photographer for 25 years and I don't see her or others using SD Cards anymore. I'm not generalizing across the world based on this, but their workflow is interesting: USB C directly into their 12.9" iPad Pros where they use the stylus to edit the photos directly. The photos also appear on their Macs via iCloud sync as needed, or in some cloud storage. They don't need thousands of photos downloaded to their Mac: they select the ones for shortlist from the shoot and go from there. Perhaps other Photographers may work like this too.
Unlike some others, I don't accept the world around me as set in stone. I move forward. Technology companies like Apple facilitate the movement forward. They bring industry along with them. They do this by displaying their new technology, onboarding consumers onto it, and partnering with industry for change. If Apple was any good at partnering anymore, they may have made strategic partnerships with the big camera makers to ensure that when they launched the first USB C MacBooks, industry was onboard and a lot of cameras would come with USB C dataports and perhaps a high bandwidth easy wireless transfer protocol from these cameras to Apple devices or even direct to iCloud, etc. or whatever.
I do know better. I knew from the second that the butterfly keyboard was under my fingers that it was crap and many people wouldn't like it. I knew from the second I touched the TouchBar that it was useless and needed to be removed. I knew from the second I experienced the notch on the iPhone that it was crap and would be removed within 3 years, but I gave Apple too much credit because they're old and can't move at the speed they used to under Jobs. And I know, for certain, that the SD Card Slot, the HDMI Port, and the notch will not be on Apple's MacBook Pros in 3 years because they are unnecessary and inferior to USB C: if they are still on there, I am officially switching to Windows because clearly Apple is standing still making fat, heavy, outdated and design screwed products.
Your argument doesn't hold up. The transfer rate of the USB-C connection is going to be limited to the speed of the media the camera uses. Yes, the latest flagship Sony camera, the a7 IV, has USB-C, but for media it uses SD cards. SD cards that can't come close to using the speed of the USB-C bus. There are two reasons camera makers are moving to USB-C: 1) it has been very successful replacing other mini/micro USB standards and is much more durable, 2) The superior charging capabilities of USB-PD for charging batteries and being able to power cameras without need for a proprietary power brick.
Yes, upper-end professional cameras are moving to CFexpress memory, but the majority of people, including those doing media in some sort of professional capacity (and that covers corporate, event, YouTube, podcast, news gathering and other non TV/Film related video creators) are going to be using SD for a quite a bit longer because it is so ubiquitous and cost effective.
Also, the vast majority of professionals (and even savvy consumers), regardless of the format their camera shoots, are going to use some sort of card reader over plugging their camera into their computer. No one wants their fancy camera/camcorder/drone/whatever out unnecessarily taking up space in their workspace or exposed to unnecessary risk of damage from accidental drops, spills and touches from curious passers-by. I'd be willing to be the vas majority of USB ports on cameras are never used except if they are the primary means of charging the device.
Your arguments are not based on supporting data. You make assumptions that are your own: “the vast majority”. Prove that the vast majority do and will do as you say or even want to. As it is, your rhetoric is based on nothing more than your own personal beliefs yet you state it as fact. The bottom line is USB C is a high data throughput interface that serves as the perfect interface for data transfer, inter alia. That there is no need for any other port, and specifically SD card slots (buy a $50 USB C dongle).
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You cannot script this stuff:
People having issues with the SD Card slot, but the USB C dongle works! HAHA.
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People having issues with the SD Card slot, but the USB C dongle works! HAHA.
14" and 16" M1 Pro SD Card Slot Problems
Anybody else having issues with the SD card reader on the new MBP? I have several SD cards that the MBP does not recognize but when using Apple's USB-C SD Card reader with the same cards the MBP recognizes them no problem. Any ideas?
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.. and there exist the option of external portable monitors. Use a MacBook Air and a 15" portable monitor. Otherwise use an iPhone and a 15" portable monitor.
Not me. I lost 15 Kg thanks to non-commute lifestyle and replace the time lost with exercising.
Doubtful. Most of the people here that are buying the new Pros don’t need the SD card slot. The same people are in the iPhone threads claiming that the new iPhone 13 is just as good as a DSLR.
I bet Apple will lose just as many sales from releasing a chunky looking computer that mimics a 2007 model, versus the amount of sales they lost from simply not having numerous ports.
Apple didn’t make the laptop for you personally, people do use as, I don’t, I use cf express but I’m not going to dive out the window because of it.
I have the new 16” MacBook Pro. It is ridiculously thick and heavy. It looks and feels old. Apple goes backwards adding thick ports like HDMI forcing the case to be thicker than if it just had USB C. And since Apple silicon is supposed to be so efficient, these devices at the least should not be getting any thicker or heavier: they should be getting a bit thinner and lighter.
Granted it may not have the most processong power, but the upcoming Samsung Blade Bezel is truly remarkable. That is what I would have expected from Apple with Jobs around: a version like that that would be the new Air, and then a thicker but still relatively thin version that is the MacBook Pro.
A guy can wish…
They are supposed to be pro machines I thought. Extra ports are welcome, I would have like not to trade a thunderbolt port for a MagSafe but oh well, but pro machines are for people who do audio, videos or anything else that need the power. A MacBook Air is for thin and light, I want all day battery, it to not over heat, should be almost silent etc. I had to put my old 16” off my desk because the fans would interfere editing video. If you want thin get a non pro machine, pro machines are not made so you can look cool in a coffee shop with a tiny computer pro means you using them to crunch do work. Apple blurred the lines on what Pro meant with the 1st MacBook Pro now you have people being posers trying to be show offs on the money they spent instead of people using them to do work. If you are editing a film for Netflix I’m sure you don’t give a damn about an extra half a pound computer.
Apple has marketed the power per watt of their chips being much better than the competition. I understand the desire for more power but it has to be tempered by design evolution: not just making a product half a pound heavier and thinking that is acceptable. It’s not really.
You don't want a MBP, you want a 16" Macbook Air. Ask for that, don't ask Apple to completely destroy the tool I need to do my work. The 2016-2019 15" MBP was the absolute WORST laptop Apple has made since the white plastic Macbook in the mid 2000's. I'm sure it was great for non-creatives like you who just type documents and read on it, but it completely failed for those of us who bought these based on the advertised performance and specs. The thicker, heavier updates are a welcome change because we actually, for the first time in almost 9 years, get a thermally capable powerful laptop.
Apple will never release a 16" MacBook Air. The 16 is reserved for Pros and people who want to give Apple a few thousand dollars.
So you're complaining that Apple finally made a good computer for their target demographic and you sadly do not fit into said demographic.
You can:
A) Keep complaining while nothing happens
B) Suck it up and buy one anyway
C) Look elsewhere like a logical person and buy a thin and light 15-17" Windows laptop
I am not complaining. I am stating truth. And I am perfectly fine purchasing the 16 exclusively for its bigger screen.