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Thank you, this is a great help. I will review everything and start planning the hardwire. Some of my confusion is based on an AE being used to either extend a wireless network or being used as a device for iTunes, a printer or Playstation. It sounds like the AE does both at the same time based on the settings. I should be able to hardwire the AE to the stereo and the PLaystation both of which are in the basement with the AEBS. I can get one more AE on the first floor but will have to choose between the Apple TV or the AE to the stereo. BTW, I didn't mention I had an old base station (space ship G) on the second floor also on the network. I appreciate everyones patience with my questions and thanks again for all the great tips. I will check your other posts.

For the stereo and playstation, when you do the wiring, I highly recommend the powerline adapter with the multiple ethernet ports found here:
"UNIVERSAL INTERNET ADAPTER FOR HOME ENTERTAINMENT-
http://netgear.com/home/products/hometheater/networking-for-home-theater-and-gaming/XAVB5004.aspx

You could plug into the above, one airport express, your playstation, and 2 other home entertainment devices.

I have another suggestion, seeing as you have more than one AIrport Extreme (assuming they are the older models without the DB built in). How about setting up a Dual-Band wireless network? One could be set to 802.11n 5.0GHz only, and the other to 802.11 n/b/g 2.4 GHz. I have this setup in my own home and it works flawlessly. Devices like computers, ipad, that have the "n" capability would connect to that network. Devices that can only connect to a "b/g" network,(like many cell phones), for instance, will connect to the 2nd network.

The benefit of the above is that you would not suffer the interference from household appliances on the 5GHz band.

Edit: I should mention that my 5.0GHz is extended in the hard-wired manner with the powerline ethernet adapters, but my 2.4GHz network is extended wirelessly with only one Airport Express. (It was not necessary for my setup, to have both my networks extended directly.)
 
Thought this image would be helpful for explanation of the Powerline Home Entertainment setup:

xavb5004_network-connections18-14999.jpeg
 
For the stereo and playstation, when you do the wiring, I highly recommend the powerline adapter with the multiple ethernet ports found here:
"UNIVERSAL INTERNET ADAPTER FOR HOME ENTERTAINMENT-
http://netgear.com/home/products/hometheater/networking-for-home-theater-and-gaming/XAVB5004.aspx

You could plug into the above, one airport express, your playstation, and 2 other home entertainment devices.

I have another suggestion, seeing as you have more than one AIrport Extreme (assuming they are the older models without the DB built in). How about setting up a Dual-Band wireless network? One could be set to 802.11n 5.0GHz only, and the other to 802.11 n/b/g 2.4 GHz. I have this setup in my own home and it works flawlessly. Devices like computers, ipad, that have the "n" capability would connect to that network. Devices that can only connect to a "b/g" network,(like many cell phones), for instance, will connect to the 2nd network.

The benefit of the above is that you would not suffer the interference from household appliances on the 5GHz band.

Edit: I should mention that my 5.0GHz is extended in the hard-wired manner with the powerline ethernet adapters, but my 2.4GHz network is extended wirelessly with only one Airport Express. (It was not necessary for my setup, to have both my networks extended directly.)

I just ordered the Powerline Adapter and was also looking at the Entertainment one as well. That would workout great for the first floor and as you suggested I could plug in my AE to the stereo, the Apple TV 2 and my Blueray. The TV is there as well but I can't get a cable to the ethernet port on the back of the TV (long story). The Playstation is in the basement but close to the AEBS. I also still have my previous AEBS (first generation N) that I could use to create a roaming network. With all these options I learned about today, I really excited about getting this done. If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to post up or email you a diagram of my AE/s, AEBS and their respective locations. It would make more sense and easier to describe everything. I agree with your idea about a 2.4GHz network too. Can't wait to try it. Thanks again, this is good stuff.
 
I just ordered the Powerline Adapter and was also looking at the Entertainment one as well. That would workout great for the first floor and as you suggested I could plug in my AE to the stereo, the Apple TV 2 and my Blueray. The TV is there as well but I can't get a cable to the ethernet port on the back of the TV (long story). The Playstation is in the basement but close to the AEBS. I also still have my previous AEBS (first generation N) that I could use to create a roaming network. With all these options I learned about today, I really excited about getting this done. If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to post up or email you a diagram of my AE/s, AEBS and their respective locations. It would make more sense and easier to describe everything. I agree with your idea about a 2.4GHz network too. Can't wait to try it. Thanks again, this is good stuff.

Hope you ordered the one with the multiple ethernet ports; it's just SO useful. I think post your diagram if you can, because that way others can see and contribute if need be.:) I can also show a screenshot of all 4 of my base stations' setup in Airport Utility if you need it.It shows the dual band setup, plus how they are extended both directly and wirelessly.
 
All of Apple's documentation on this just talks about 802.11n but in the case of extending, I don't see anything anywhere about the 5Ghz band and none of the info I can find on the Express has anything about it one way or the other, just that it's 802.11n.

Thank you again, I truly appreciate the help.

Change the 5Ghz channel to 161.
 
Hope you ordered the one with the multiple ethernet ports; it's just SO useful. I think post your diagram if you can, because that way others can see and contribute if need be.:) I can also show a screenshot of all 4 of my base stations' setup in Airport Utility if you need it.It shows the dual band setup, plus how they are extended both directly and wirelessly.

Here is a picture of my current setup. The primary AEBS Dual Band is in the basement along with the other AE's shown below it. I've noted the ones on the first and second floor. The G5 desktop has an airport card with the old antenna and it pretty much sucks for reception even though it's only 25' away on the same level.

These devices are all hooked up through a wireless network and all of the AE's except for the printer are newer AE "N". The AEBS Gen 1 N is the previous model to the dual band. Right now the performance is slow but it works. I can hardwire the primary AEBS dual band to the stereo AE and Playstation in the basement and the stereo AE and Apple TV on the first floor. But as you know there are limited ports on the AEBS. I'll put my flame suit on and let you have at it. Thanks.
 

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Here is a picture of my current setup. The primary AEBS Dual Band is in the basement along with the other AE's shown below it. I've noted the ones on the first and second floor. The G5 desktop has an airport card with the old antenna and it pretty much sucks for reception even though it's only 25' away on the same level.

These devices are all hooked up through a wireless network and all of the AE's except for the printer are newer AE "N". The AEBS Gen 1 N is the previous model to the dual band. Right now the performance is slow but it works. I can hardwire the primary AEBS dual band to the stereo AE and Playstation in the basement and the stereo AE and Apple TV on the first floor. But as you know there are limited ports on the AEBS. I'll put my flame suit on and let you have at it. Thanks.

:eek: Looking at your diagram makes my head explode, just thinking of the strain your primary AEBS is under!
The question is - which base stations do you want to hard-wire together in order to create your roaming network? I have 2 Time Capsules (AEBS)[original 802.11n/b/g - not dual-band] and 2 Airport Express devices. With them, I have set up a dual-band Wifi network:

AEBS 1) is 802.11n 5.0GHZ extended via ethernet (powerline adapter) and a Roaming network to an Airport Express (AE).
AEBS 2) is 802.11 n/b/g extended wirelessly to the second AE.

Here is a diagram of my setup:

INTERNET SETTING-ALL.jpg

The AEBS on the lower left, called "STUDY n/b/g" is the primary device, connected to the Modem.

What I am thinking, is that you have the newer dual-band AEBS in the basement as your primary unit, and the older AEBS hard-wired to that (with the powerline adapters) on the 1st floor. There is one really BIG "but" to this setup. The 2 powerline adapters (the first being plugged into the primary, the 2nd into the unit upstairs), HAVE to be on the same electrical circuit, otherwise this setup is NOT possible. This can be the situation in some older houses with multiple electrical circuits. You can see this the first time you plug the powerline adapters into their electrical outlets. If the indicator lights show red, you are out of luck, and means they are on different circuits. The color green depicts the optimum connection between the 2 units for the best data transfer between them. An amber light is still okay, but not the best. I found I had to try several outlets for the secondary adapter before it gave me the "green light".

You would then have the choice of extending both of these networks, the "n" and the "b/g" (or "n/b/g") yet again via the roaming setup to the AE's, or wirelessly. Obviously if you do not want to suffer bandwidth degradation, you would not select the latter. I am not sure of the exact number of devices you can use in a roaming network, but I would see 3 units is a very safe bet.

Hope what I am saying is clear....if not fire away, and I'll also don my Flame Suite.:p

NOTE: if you elect to do the above with your newer, dual-band AEBS, make sure to give each network a different name (SSID). So say for example, the 802.11n 5.0GHz SSID is "Speedy n", and the 2.4GHz is called "Crawler n/b/g" -on the older AEBS (upstairs), extending the "n" network, you would have the identical setup, same network name - "Speedy n", same password, security, BUT you would set them on DIFFERENT channels. See pic below:

ROAMING NETWORK SETUP.jpeg

edit: open each of the above attachments on a separate page, that way the detail will be clear.
 
One more thing (there always is) - with the above setup, the Primary AEBS has the ethernet cable running from one of its LAN ports to the first Powerline Adapter. From the 2nd adapter,(upstairs) you would run the ethernet cable to the WAN port of the other AEBS. If you use the Airport Express units to do this, then obviously, they have only the one ethernet port.

The reason I suggested the configuration in my post above, is that the 2nd AEBS being used upstairs would offer you those 3 extra LAN ports, into which you can plug in whatever entertainment device you wanted. You could also use one port to extend the range of the network with yet another Powerline Adapter to an Airport Express in a different location, to extend the range of your slower "Crawler n/b/g" network. This would give internet access to devices, like some computers (Mac G5) and cell phones, that do not have the 802.11 n capability.
 
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One more thing (there always is) - with the above setup, the Primary AEBS has the ethernet cable running from one of its LAN ports to the first Powerline Adapter. From the 2nd adapter,(upstairs) you would run the ethernet cable to the WAN port of the other AEBS. If you use the Airport Express units to do this, then obviously, they have only the one ethernet port.

The reason I suggested the configuration in my post above, is that the 2nd AEBS being used upstairs would offer you those 3 extra LAN ports, into which you can plug in whatever entertainment device you wanted. You could also use one port to extend the range of the network with yet another Powerline Adapter to an Airport Express in a different location, to extend the range of your slower "Crawler n/b/g" network. This would give internet access to devices, like some computers (Mac G5) and cell phones, that do not have the 802.11 n capability.

Thank you for taking the time to review my setup and offer suggestions. It all sounds good, but I do think getting the Powerline on the same electrical circuit between two floors will be a challenge. My kit should be arriving today so I'll get to try it over the weekend. I'm going to read over your suggestions and advice a few times and then decide what to try based on the outcome of the Powerline kit. Thanks again and I'll let you know how its going in a few days. Have a great weekend.
 
Thank you for taking the time to review my setup and offer suggestions. It all sounds good, but I do think getting the Powerline on the same electrical circuit between two floors will be a challenge. My kit should be arriving today so I'll get to try it over the weekend. I'm going to read over your suggestions and advice a few times and then decide what to try based on the outcome of the Powerline kit. Thanks again and I'll let you know how its going in a few days. Have a great weekend.

There could be a good chance that two different floors in your house are on the same electrical circuit - that's the situation in my house.
Good luck with your setup!
 
There could be a good chance that two different floors in your house are on the same electrical circuit - that's the situation in my house.
Good luck with your setup!

It appears I have a set of outlets on the first floor and basement on the same circuit and will be able to use the Powerline Adapter. Now that the new Time Capsule has been released along with a GEN 5 AEBS, I'm going to buy a new TC and that will allow me to use my GEN 3 and GEN 4 AEBS to hard wire most of my previously wireless AE's. The new confirguration should work out nicely and I will also use the Powerline for one area as well. When completed, I should only have one totally wireless AE on the network. That should solve my network issues.:) Thanks again for your help and when completed, I'll follow-up with a post and diagram.:D
 
It appears I have a set of outlets on the first floor and basement on the same circuit and will be able to use the Powerline Adapter. Now that the new Time Capsule has been released along with a GEN 5 AEBS, I'm going to buy a new TC and that will allow me to use my GEN 3 and GEN 4 AEBS to hard wire most of my previously wireless AE's. The new confirguration should work out nicely and I will also use the Powerline for one area as well. When completed, I should only have one totally wireless AE on the network. That should solve my network issues.:) Thanks again for your help and when completed, I'll follow-up with a post and diagram.:D

That's REALLY great news about those electrical outlets being on the same circuit!!:D I would place the new Gen 5 AEBS in the most central location in the house because rumor has it, that it's range extends further than previous models. I will be purchasing one as well, to replace my aging units.

What I love about this Roaming Network setup with the Powerline Adapters, is how far-reaching I have been able to make my 5.0GHz network, (3 bars upstairs and down:D) I sure hope you have the same success!!

I'll be really interested in seeing your diagram, please post it when you have the time.
 
brilliant thread & possibly the most informative I have read on the subject!

I have one question though.... if you extend only the 5ghz network does that not give you little access for your iPhone (if you have one)?

great hread though:)
 
brilliant thread & possibly the most informative I have read on the subject!

I have one question though.... if you extend only the 5ghz network does that not give you little access for your iPhone (if you have one)?

great hread though:)
Afraid not. The iPad can connect to an 802.11n (5.0GHz) network, but the iPhone can only connect to a 802.11 b/g (2.4GHZ) network.
 
Sorry, just re-read one of your previous threads laurenr & I think you cover this...:eek:

I am looking at doing a very similar setup here but with 1 AEBS, 2 AE (n) & 1 AE (g only). I am waiting for delivery of my powerlines, but a couple of questions if you don't mind?

I will look to hard wire all the AE & set up a roaming network, but wondered why you put them on different channels?
 
Sorry, just re-read one of your previous threads laurenr & I think you cover this...:eek:

I am looking at doing a very similar setup here but with 1 AEBS, 2 AE (n) & 1 AE (g only). I am waiting for delivery of my powerlines, but a couple of questions if you don't mind?

I will look to hard wire all the AE & set up a roaming network, but wondered why you put them on different channels?

The Roaming Network setup will not work if all devices are set to the the same channel. Ideally, they must be at least 5 channels apart. The wider apart, the better. With the 802.11n 5.0GHz config, you have a much wider selection - channels 36 - 161. On the 2.4GHz, you have channels 1 - 11 only. If you look at my pic above, you will see I have set the "n" network channels to 157 and 48. This will allow each computer/ipad/iphone to automatically connect to the AEBS/AE with the strongest wireless signal.

One important question for you - your AEBS - is it the model that is capable of a Dual Band Wireless configuration? I ask because you mention that one AE you wish to extend as "n", and the second AE as "g". In order to achieve this, you will have to set up 2 separate networks, and extend each one individually via the Roaming method.

Edit: Quote from one of my previous posts:
"NOTE: if you elect to do the above with your newer, dual-band AEBS, make sure to give each network a different name (SSID). So say for example, the 802.11n 5.0GHz SSID is "Speedy n", and the 2.4GHz is called "Crawler n/b/g" -...... extending the "n" network, you would have the identical setup, same network name - "Speedy n", same password, security, BUT you would set them on DIFFERENT channels."
The same would apply to the 2.4GHz network; eg. the Primary AEBS would be on say, channel 6, and the AE on channel 11.

Hope that makes sense.:)
 
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Firstly thanks for your reply:)

Yes I have the dual AEBS & have suffix'd the 5ghz network so both have separate names.

would you be so kind to show a screen shot of the main AEBS you are using, for instance what is the wireless mode you have (mine is currently set to participate in a WDS network, not sure if this is correct?)?

Thanks for your time!:D
 
Firstly thanks for your reply:)

Yes I have the dual AEBS & have suffix'd the 5ghz network so both have separate names.

would you be so kind to show a screen shot of the main AEBS you are using, for instance what is the wireless mode you have (mine is currently set to participate in a WDS network, not sure if this is correct?)?

Thanks for your time!:D

Your present configuration, which would not work as a Roaming Setup, because it is set to extend the network wirelessly. (Note: your box to "Allow this network to be extended" is probably checked at the present time):

TC1.jpg

MY setup - "Create a Wireless Network" with the "...extend.." box UNCHECKED:

TC2.jpg
 
I see, thank you (am setting this up at mo!)

I cannot seem to be able to get the channels up that high however, I have the alt held down when selecting & for instance on the 5ghz just get 36, 40, 44 & 48?

What am I doing wrong?
 
I see, thank you (am setting this up at mo!)

I cannot seem to be able to get the channels up that high however, I have the alt held down when selecting & for instance on the 5ghz just get 36, 40, 44 & 48?

What am I doing wrong?
When selecting the channels, hold down the OPTION key; this will give you a much wider selection.:D

TC3.jpg
 
I'm not sure if what type of Powerline Adapters you have, and whether they have the indicator lights or not, but if they do:
Your first Adapter is hardwired to the AEBS.
The second Adapter - whatever electrical outlet you plug into, take note of the color of the lights. For best results, you want a GREEN signal light. Red means they are not on the same electrical circuit, which would mean really bad news.:( Amber means they are "seeing" each other, which is fine, but data transfer speeds are not as high as with the green light. You can try different electrical outlets until you get the green light. I found I had to try several in my home.
 
yes, I'm holding the alt/option key but I get this::confused:

Ah! I just noticed you are not in the USA. I do know that different countries will show different channel selections. This should not be a problem with the Roaming configuration; I would select ch 48 on the AEBS, for the 5.0GHZ network, and ch 36 on the AE. The further apart, the better the result.
 
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