Help with extending 5Ghz Extreme (Please Help)

[andy.barron]

Hi, I did check that (honest!) but it did not give any workable solution? It suggested to allow the device to distribute DHCP which on a roaming network is not correct?

Have I missed something?

 

[laurenr]

My setup:




Sorry, I had posted wrong pic.

 

[andy.barron]

That's ok but I already changed it to DHCP as your pic.

In the house it sets ok & gets the correct IP but in the garage goes back to the 194 range.

The powerline gives excellent results in garage on the LAN (see pics) it's just when the AE is there it goes to the 194 range for some reason?

 

[laurenr]

That's ok but I already changed it to DHCP as your pic.

In the house it sets ok & gets the correct IP but in the garage goes back to the 194 range.

The powerline gives excellent results in garage on the LAN (see pics) it's just when the AE is there it goes to the 194 range for some reason?

Have you tried to reset the AE to factory default settings, and then reconfiguring it from scratch? I would suggest this as it seems to be the one device that is "misbehaving"?

 

[laurenr]

After resetting everything, does Airport Utility now see all the base stations? Before you mentioned it was only seeing the one in the garage? Are your various devices (computer, iphone, etc) connecting to the internet/network all over the house, or just in the garage?
Funny thing, I have two Airport Extremes, two Airport Express units. Airport Utility sees all of them and my devices can connect to each one. BUT, one unit has an entirely different range in its IP Address. See where I point with the blue arrow; it is the only one displaying 75.XXX.... instead of the 10.1.XX like the other three:



(Please note, that in my Dual Band Network setup, one of the AE units is extended wirelessly (Exp n/b/g), the other via a Roaming setup(Exp n), but this should not apply to your setup. I just point this out in case you noticed the discrepancy between mine and yours.)

 

[andy.barron]

Basically no. If you connect a laptop via cable to the Powerline in garage it sees the house network but does not include the garage AE. All is as though you were in the house & on the gigabit network.

Go wireless & it then sees the Garage AE only & on the 194 range...

So basically in the garage wired is fine. Go wireless & it gets the 194 range!

This is doing my head in!!!!

(On your config that you have sent, the STUDY needs to update to 7.5.2 maybe?)

 

[laurenr]

Basically no. If you connect a laptop via cable to the Powerline in garage it sees the house network but does not include the garage AE. All is as though you were in the house & on the gigabit network.

Go wireless & it then sees the Garage AE only & on the 194 range...

So basically in the garage wired is fine. Go wireless & it gets the 194 range!

This is doing my head in!!!!

(On your config that you have sent, the STUDY needs to update to 7.5.2 maybe?)

Wow! That is really weird...will require some sleuthing I think. I'm thinking now that you could have a PPPoE problem lurking in the background, that is if your internet is via DSL.

I know about the update, but I had actually just downgraded the firmware on my base station. I had recently changed over from DSL to Cable, and for some reason that base station would not play nicely when on version 7.5.2

 

[andy.barron]

the self assigned IP is because it cannot get an address, which is really weird as we know the cable gives an IP address when its plugged into the laptop?

So its just the AE not getting the address, so this is really strange...

 

[andy.barron]

I think is is compatibility related & am on the case right now.....

 

[DocP]

Hi im sorry to just jump in right here but I have what I think is a number one question to the whole powerline plug scenario.

In my house the wiring is old (not ancient but not new) and instead of having 3core wiring (live, neutral and earth) I only have 2 core (live and neutral) and the sockets are all run off a spare to get the earth (im not sure if this makes sense but its what my electrician tells me). Now he doesnt think the sockets will work because of this. Can anyone shed some light and and tell me if they will or will not work. I have looked everywhere for the answer and the question doesn't seem to have come up for anyone before.

Thanks Tom.

 

[laurenr]

the self assigned IP is because it cannot get an address, which is really weird as we know the cable gives an IP address when its plugged into the laptop?

So its just the AE not getting the address, so this is really strange...

I think is is compatibility related & am on the case right now.....

I have an idea - there is a possibilty that the powerline adapter in the garage is not on the same electrical circuit as those in the house, and is therefore obtaining that self assigning IP address. Try this experiment:
Unplug the garage unit, and plug it into an outlet that is as close to the garage as possible; then check it using Airport Utility to see if the issue is resolved.

I'll be interested to see the results.

 

[laurenr]

Hi im sorry to just jump in right here but I have what I think is a number one question to the whole powerline plug scenario.

In my house the wiring is old (not ancient but not new) and instead of having 3core wiring (live, neutral and earth) I only have 2 core (live and neutral) and the sockets are all run off a spare to get the earth (im not sure if this makes sense but its what my electrician tells me). Now he doesnt think the sockets will work because of this. Can anyone shed some light and and tell me if they will or will not work. I have looked everywhere for the answer and the question doesn't seem to have come up for anyone before.

Thanks Tom.

From what I understand, isn't the purpose of the "earth" core to prevent an electrical "short"? If this is true, the Powerline Adapters should work. Is there any way you could purchase them, test them out, and return them if you do not get the desired results?
However, there is a caveat to this theory; the problem with "old" wiring could be the integrity/purity of the current that runs through these lines. There is a strong risk of "line noise" that could interfere with the signal. Like I posted above, even with a "modern" circuit, I had to try more than one outlet before I got the "green light", signifying optimum connection between 2 units. I do believe that one can find Powerline Adapters that incorporate Noise Filters; these would be your best bet. Also, if the powerline adapters have those indicator lights, you will soon know.

 

[andy.barron]

I have an idea - there is a possibilty that the powerline adapter in the garage is not on the same electrical circuit as those in the house, and is therefore obtaining that self assigning IP address. Try this experiment:
Unplug the garage unit, and plug it into an outlet that is as close to the garage as possible; then check it using Airport Utility to see if the issue is resolved.

I'll be interested to see the results.

Ok, took the powerline in the house last night & get the same problem!!

However as I was getting IP correctly when I hard wired via powerline in garage, it would suggest it's on same ring.

 

[laurenr]

Ok, took the powerline in the house last night & get the same problem!!

However as I was getting IP correctly when I hard wired via powerline in garage, it would suggest it's on same ring.

Have you tried resetting the AE to factory default settings?

 

[andy.barron]

Yea, & now have connected an AEBS & am getting the same thing.

My guess is that these Powerline can bridge via wired but cannot bridge to a wireless extender.......

 

[laurenr]

Yea, & now have connected an AEBS & am getting the same thing.

My guess is that these Powerline can bridge via wired but cannot bridge to a wireless extender.......

That totally puzzles me, because they work flawlessly in my home. Have you looked in detail at my setup pics to verify any discrepancies? I have also done the identical configuration in 3 other homes.

 

[andy.barron]

I have & checked with these many times. I'm on to the supplier of the Solwise to see if I can get some answers..

You are welcome to Team View into my system to see if you could help maybe?

 

[laurenr]

I have & checked with these many times. I'm on to the supplier of the Solwise to see if I can get some answers..

You are welcome to Team View into my system to see if you could help maybe?

Just checking in to see if you got any answers from Solwise. I'll check back in the morning,(if I have time in between hurling stuff into my case) see if we can perhaps do an Ichat "screen-share" so I can look at all the tabs in your Airport Utility.
If not, I will be in the same Time Zone as you by Wednesday - Spain, which is actually 1 hour ahead of the UK, I think....

 

[andy.barron]

Just checking in to see if you got any answers from Solwise. I'll check back in the morning,(if I have time in between hurling stuff into my case) see if we can perhaps do an Ichat "screen-share" so I can look at all the tabs in your Airport Utility.
If not, I will be in the same Time Zone as you by Wednesday - Spain, which is actually 1 hour ahead of the UK, I think....

Hi There Its actually a dealer who said I could send them back if they do not work as expected, which is a shame as they get full gbit wired... Still waiting from them to reply.

Unfortunately I don't have an iChat account, is it easy to setup?

Im going to try to set up a separate wireless network in the garage & see if that works. I'll post back with the results shortly......

 

[andy.barron]

Ok, I'm actually in the garage typing this, connected via an ethernet cable into the AEBS which is connected via the Solwise Powerline.

This proves that the powerline is giving the signal at least.

I set up a different wireless network to see if that would give us any answers, my iPhone could see the new network (as could my laptop) but after joining neither could get an internet connection.

I will attach the AEBS settings to see if I have missed anything but I think the problem has to be in the powerline, no?

note; the channels are on automatic at the moment (I have had these on manual also) as it took the 5ghz up to 100 (which I do not get the choice of even with the option key held down).

 

[laurenr]

Ok, I'm actually in the garage typing this, connected via an ethernet cable into the AEBS which is connected via the Solwise Powerline.

This proves that the powerline is giving the signal at least.

I set up a different wireless network to see if that would give us any answers, my iPhone could see the new network (as could my laptop) but after joining neither could get an internet connection.

I will attach the AEBS settings to see if I have missed anything but I think the problem has to be in the powerline, no?

note; the channels are on automatic at the moment (I have had these on manual also) as it took the 5ghz up to 100 (which I do not get the choice of even with the option key held down).

Just checking in for a minute (busy packing). I looked at your setup. The only anomaly I see is that your Airport Extreme (the one connected to Modem), is set to BRIDGE mode.
My primary airport extreme is set to
"share a publice IP address". (This is the device connected directly to the modem).
The airport express is set to "bridge mode".
Look at the pics in post # 55 of this thread to verify my settings against yours.

Edit I made to your pic:



Edit: There is one little thing that concerns me, not sure if it is still relevant. You have "Use wide channels" checked. See discussions I found here that specifically refers to the UK setup:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/5779543#5779543

https://discussions.apple.com/message/8767438#8767438

 

[andy.barron]

Hi Laurenr, its not the primary AEBS but located in the garage & is bridging via the powerline.

 

[laurenr]

Hi Laurenr, its not the primary AEBS but located in the garage & is bridging via the powerline.

That is correct then, the way you have it set to bridge mode.
Gotta run, last minute packing to do. I leave this afternoon. Don't forget, to look up the Apple discussion I linked above about UK config.
I'll be in Marbella by wednesday (actually tomorrow - overnight stay in Madrid), so I will be in the same Time Zone as the UK.

 

[andy.barron]

That is correct then, the way you have it set to bridge mode.
Gotta run, last minute packing to do. I leave this afternoon. Don't forget, to look up the Apple discussion I linked above about UK config.
I'll be in Marbella by wednesday (actually tomorrow - overnight stay in Madrid), so I will be in the same Time Zone as the UK.

Hey, you concnerate on having (as you would say) an AWSOME time!!

I will put a copy of correspondence into your private message.......

 

[laurenr]

Well, I'm now a hop across the pond from the UK, and guess what I found?
The very same powerline adapters on a UK website, that I have at home, and work perfectly for me. Well, actually the UK ones are better, faster speeds:

http://www.netgear.co.uk/home/products/powerline-and-coax/high-performance/XAV5004.aspx

The one above had 4 ethernet ports to plug other home entertainment devices into.
Or, if you prefer the single port models:
http://www.netgear.co.uk/home/products/powerline-and-coax/

Andy, one more thing-when I arrived here last night, I set up a Wireles network for my Sister with a new AEBS, and got that same dang 169.254.XXX
I.P. Address. I reset the device to default, tried again, and got a "Double Nat." She was not sure of her type of DSL/cable service. After much (jet-lagged)brain scrambling, I changed the settings from "share a public IP address", to "bridge mode",(nothing else made sense with that 'double NAT'), and got the desired result,network functional. I think, when there is a conflict like that, the self-assigning '169.254.XXX' can result. Just a thought, with your particular probelm, but not sure.

Anyway, still check out those links above, because, as I say, they work perfectly for me