Apple traditionally lags about 1/2 of the VRAM that the competition provides. That was the part I was latching onto.
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Apple traditionally lags about 1/2 of the VRAM that the competition provides. That was the part I was latching onto.
still dont care, people said the same thing about when the u31 came, looking at the mobo you could clearly see that they were designed very much the same and the external design also had heavy influences, still dont care
regarding the innards we have to wait and see what apple will put in there, historically they dont use the gtx line or anything above mainstream
the 765m is a gk106 gpu and its a hot and not juicy sipping gpu, there is a real need to improve and design new psus for apple if they ever come with something like that, actually they need one now. Basically unless they come up with something along the lines of 120w psus, no, the razer will still be more powerful than the new models
Give me one laptop with similar price tag to the 15" rMBP with 2x more VRAM. I'm not denying it, I really want to know for sure.
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This isn't true. Not all GTX cards perform better than GT counterparts. The 15" rMBP's GT 650M was designed (by Nvidia) to outperform the GTX 660M. It's still a detail that is up for grabs. Until we see what Apple puts in the new rMBPs, we can't claim this for sure.
Here is a link to the best laptops of 2011!!!! Several of them had 2gigs of VRAM.
http://www.akascope.com/2011/10/19/best-laptops-of-2011/
You are really arguing that Apple is not stingy when it comes to VRAM? Come on. SINCE YOU ASKED, go to dell and pick ANY laptop with a dedicated GPU, and it comes with 2Gigs VRAM minimum.
simple, get pretty much any gaming laptop out there, or even mainstream consumer models, when we enter the workstation class with their ECC buffered vRAM you also see more
not really, they perform pretty much the same, and since they actually are the same gpu, with just different clocks...
check it out the differences from the gk106 to gk107 and you will see whats likely and not likely
still the fact remain about power consumption, unless they come with a new psu, 760m aint that likely to happen, since its just a gk106 with lower clocks, still possible, however not likely
in the end would think that they would throw out a 150w for the 17 model (which uses a 47w cpu and the 765m, so more resemling of the rmp 15) if it wasnt needed? if they could they would do away with 120w
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No, where did I argue? I asked to see some proof. Judges ask for evidence all the time, doesn't mean they already made up their mind which way to rule...
Your argument is incredibly sloppy. You don't factor in anything except GPU VRAM?!? What about screen size, price, CPU, etc.
The best example for your argument is the Lenovo Y500. Excluding the Retina display, I think it offers better performance for the same price (similar spec) or less than the 15" rMBP. Seriously, you got owned. Big time.
I didn't say comparable machines. Just that Apple is stingy when it comes to VRAM. You go to DELL.com and grab any machine with a dedicated GPU, and it has 2Gigs of VRAM. Same for ASUS, etc... You go to apple.com and they are selling MBPs with dedicated GPUs with 512Megs of VRAM and 1G of VRAM.
When the PC world was shipping 1Gig pretty much standard, apple was shipping 256/512, now that it's 2Gigs standard Apple ships 512/1G
It's one of those things you have to begrudgingly accept, when dealing with Apple.
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probable is the 750m and the 8870m, there are always the outlier runners like the 760m, however aside the power issues (heat) there are the power consumption issues, with such a limited psu, comes limited choices
just a FYI that razer uses 150w psu, apple maxes at 85w, the 150w is for the 17 model, but its used in the 14 too. Main difference in terms of power between the 2? one cpu is 37w (14) the other is 47w (17w), which the latter is exactly what the rmbp 15 is going to have
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PC world does not ship 1GB VRAM standard. Look at the majority of Windows PCs sold (they are UNDER $1000 price range), they have integrated graphics. Hardly 1GB VRAM.
I'm pretty sure other PC vendors are selling laptops with "dedicated GPUs with 512Megs of VRAM and 1G of VRAM". The whole point of "comparable machines" is self-explanatory. I can go around trashing Toyota and their metal cars when Bugatti is using carbon fiber. That really doesn't mean much since it's not COMPARABLE. One costs $20K+ and the other millions. It's not comparable.
well there is no denying that they drank heavily on the mbp fountain
Im already contacting a reseller to see if I can put my greasy fingers on one
For "comparable machines", Apple has had a tendency to offer both less RAM and VRAM, than the PC laptops.
Just wanted that said.
So let's see what amount of VRAM the supposed GT 750M will get. And if they offer 2 GB, let's see if that is also an option for the low end MBP.
Are there even any power or thermal issues to be concerned about with adding an additional 1GB of VRAM? I don't think there is, or nominal at best. Maybe space issues?
With regards to the new Razer Blade I'd be more concerned with the lack of upgradability more than anything. This will have the same issues as the rMBP 4 years down the road (at least if you apply the rMBP logic demonstrated on this board evenly to all PCs). Guess this is where we're all heading.
With regards to the new Razer Blade I'd be more concerned with the lack of upgradability more than anything. This will have the same issues as the rMBP 4 years down the road (at least if you apply the rMBP logic demonstrated on this board evenly to all PCs). Guess this is where we're all heading.
actually yes you have more heat because of the added vram
4 year old pc you dont upgrade, you donate, use as a back up, but you just buy another. I cant do meaningful upgrades on a 4 year old desktop, why would I waste money on a notebook?
lets go the desktop breakdown
a 2009 desktop would net you a core 2 duo, a AM2+ phenom 2 or if you got the AM3 that wasnt compatible with all the AMD cpus from them, or if you really splurged late 2009 a Nehalem i7 900 series
Now cpu upgrade path? none, its only in the family, the AMD cpus are worse, since they lacked performance even if you managed to score a AM3 and compatible cpu
GPU upgrade path? very limited, you are cpu limited here, not to mention that you are probably going to need a new PSU as well
ram? most of that era used DDR2, with some boards compatible with the now considered low speed DDR3 ram (1066mhz was the norm)
Storage? thats the only thing you can really upgrade, but SSDs dont solve all the problems here
So a 4 year DESKTOP, will need to be entirely redone, with the possible exception of the storage, case and ODD if you still use it
and guess what you can change on the razer and rmbps? storage
its where we were headed for 4 years now, socket change, gpus and cpus consuming a lot of power, the change for DDR3 and the now soon change to DDR4
actually unless we are talking in a redesign on the cooling system along with a new psu
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7002/hit-the-road-jack-intels-mobile-quadcore-haswell-skus
and the 4702 is indeed a 37w!
bitch Im always right
Looks nice in black, I would buy it if they kept the same aluminium design, kind of like the black iPhone 5.
I got to play with this at a private Razer event recently. It's not a MacBook Air "killer" unless you want that form factor and Gaming is your primary use of the computer. If this is the case and you have $2500 (tax + upgrades) to spend, then this is a great mobile gaming rig.
It blows my m14x out of the water which blows my MBP in Bootcamp out of the water.
It blows my m14x out of the water which blows my MBP in Bootcamp out of the water.
what I take from this is that it blows stuff up
I dont think that with 6h possible of battery life gaming is the only thing I can get out of that pc
Yep, change what I said in your first statement, and hold me to what you changed. Hilarious. I always talked about machines WITH DEDICATED GPUs.
I point out Dell to you as a company who's machines with dedicated GPUs shipping with 2Gigs of VRAM, as you asked, and that is not good enough.
3 out of 4 machines under $1000, the other being $1049. All ship with 2Gigs of VRAM - http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-15r-se-7520/pd
Apple is currently selling machines at 1/4 this amount of VRAM. Yes, a refresh is coming within days. But that will put Apple back at it's normal 1/2 the VRAM of pretty much everyone else offering DEDICATED GPUs.
After this, if there is no pleasing you, I shall stop.
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Was gonna sell my 2013 rMBP, but after these screen shots of the horrible screen. No way. Its too bad.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc...s/14-inch-razer-blade-1155531/review?attr=all
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc...s/14-inch-razer-blade-1155531/review?attr=all