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That’s the whole selling point of Apple - the ecosystem.
Not even remotely true for me.

Had an iPhone with my MBP a year ago. Now I've got an Android. Hardly notice things being any less 'convenient'.

The selling point of Apple for me is high quality, attractive design, usability, and the fact that it holds it's value well.
 
Neither have an SD card, nor a headphone jack, so they can both flop for all I care. I'm sick of phones that cost more than twice what they used to, yet still expect their users to pay more than $1 per gigabyte to expand their internal storage when storage costs less than $.10 per GB.
 
I agree, it’s the evolution of technology. It’s how it works.

But your post aimed that Apple wouldn’t have any good ideas without Samsung. Therefore they have to copy the ideas.

I’m saying Apple isn’t in a rush to be first. They take notes, refine and the implement what they want when it’s right for them. You say “copy” and I say a well worth wait for something that ends up being above the rest (Face ID for example) in quality.

I’ve owned BOTH and liked BOTH. I think they BOTH need to exist. 👊😁👍
My issue with Apple is that from owning a Samsung and a Pixel I’ve had superior zoom photo capability for two generations now on Android (S21 Ultra, S22 Ultra, Pixel 6 Pro) Samsung’s first extreme zoom effort was indeed hot garbage but last year and this year have been stellar. Pixel 6 Pro has also been fantastic. If Google and Pixel can do this so well this year, I don’t know why IPhone 13 Pros were lacking in the zoom other than Apple chose to emphasize their video capability.

I prefer iOS for relatively better security and privacy and keeping compatible with friends and family, but I have been wishing Apple would have kept its zoom game on a par with Samsung. So I could get shots like this with an iPhone (file size reduced for the forum). I took this freehand, no tripod on the S22 Ultra. And of course the S22 Ultra has the built in S Pen, which is a useless gimmick for many people but has been an immense convenience for me. I wish iPhones had something similar, at least the Pro Max. My S22 Ultra is also light in comparison to a Pro Max and has no ugly camera bump. Also Apple has released features that weren’t really refined before. So I no longer believe features are held back to be perfected.


I’m not dissing iPhones at all. If I could have only one, it would be an iPhone. Overall I’m happy with the ecosystem.
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I often wonder if that’s the consensus of most folks on here. If Apple didn’t tie us in to the ecosystem and make it doubly hard to leave, I wonder how many would switch.
Even without the ecosystem I think I would stay with Apple. Customer service is iffy in the USA for Android phones. And the marketing is definitely more “in your face” on a Samsung phone. They’ve got a heavy marketing ecosystem going with lots of partners. I can shut it down but it’s a little bit of extra effort. Also my iPhones have been more rugged than my Androids. Samsung and Google love those curved edge displays that are hard to protect.
 
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My issue with Apple is that from owning a Samsung and a Pixel I’ve had superior zoom photo capability for two generations now on Android (S21 Ultra, S22 Ultra, Pixel 6 Pro) Samsung’s first extreme zoom effort was indeed hot garbage but last year and this year have been stellar. Pixel 6 Pro has also been fantastic. If Google and Pixel can do this so well this year, I don’t know why IPhone 13 Pros were lacking in the zoom other than Apple chose to emphasize their video capability.

I prefer iOS for relatively better security and privacy and keeping compatible with friends and family, but I have been wishing Apple would have kept its zoom game on a par with Samsung. So I could get shots like this with an iPhone (file size reduced for the forum). I took this freehand, no tripod on the S22 Ultra. And of course the S22 Ultra has the built in S Pen, which is a useless gimmick for many people but has been an immense convenience for me. I wish iPhones had something similar, at least the Pro Max. My S22 Ultra is also light in comparison to a Pro Max and has no ugly camera bump. Also Apple has released features that weren’t really refined before. So I no longer believe features are held back to be perfected.


I’m not dissing iPhones at all. If I could have only one, it would be an iPhone. Overall I’m happy with the ecosystem. View attachment 2041839
I completely agree. Apple needs to step up their zoom game 😁 Both sides need work. I started on Android and was back and forth for years. There’s features I love one each platform.

I no longer trust other companies (Google). Apple seems to be the lesser of evils right now. But I’m all about taking pictures and would love to have the zoom capabilities Sammy has brought to the table.
 
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I’m stuck in iOS like most of you. Apple Watch, HomeKit devices, Find My with AirTags, iMessage and so on. The tie in list is massive these days. Also I just like iOS more than Android…

However if ever there was a reason to switch a phone like the Fold would be it for me. I’ve had every single iPhone on launch day since the first one, I’ve never skipped one but the excitement isn’t really there anymore.

So this year I’ll get an iPhone 14 Pro Max. I’ll have an always on display that will interest me for about 10 minutes and then it’ll be just like my 13 Pro Max. Bit faster, probably won’t notice. Better pictures, I’m not big on pics so probably won’t notice much either, etc.

The rumours say 2025 earliest for Apple Foldable… *sigh*
 
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Personally, it doesn't seem like any smartphone comparison is complete without also acknowledging that any Apple product benefits from the full weight of the Apple ecosystem. Just based on that alone, the galaxy fold would be considered a hard sell compared to even the cheapest iPhone in Apple's lineup. 😛
Heh, then I'm clearly doing it wrong, as all I'm interested in is an iPad for some games :)

Yeah I’m here too. I truly do appreciate Samsung trying something different but Apple has me locked in. I’m not even sure how I could get away from it. Sucks because seems hardware innovation is happening elsewhere but I can’t leave lol.
Eh.. it's been done. Just try out Windows and Android. Migrate things over. Unless you're a "creative type", you can find most of what you need on Windows (probably for cheaper). Some of Apple's privacy stuff is nice, but make sure that it's really a concern. I've seen too many people use a MacBook, but then spend 1 an hour on day using Facebook, and use a suite of Google products anyways. Whenever I ask why people use iOS or Android, the reasons we cite on these tech sites don't always come into play. They do so b/c "my [acquaintance] suggested an iphone", or they just like how Android or iOS works. They couldn't care less about the ecosystem, privacy, choice of hardware, customization options, etc.
 
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I’ve owned BOTH and liked BOTH. I think they BOTH need to exist. 👊😁👍
I prefer Android and Windows, but I absolutely do NOT want monopolies. It would've been better to have a 3rd player, but that's not feasible in tech. You can bet if Apple's the only player in town, they'll make Microsoft look tame in comparison.
 
Heh, then I'm clearly doing it wrong, as all I'm interested in is an iPad for some games :)


Eh.. it's been done. Just try out Windows and Android. Migrate things over. Unless you're a "creative type", you can find most of what you need on Windows (probably for cheaper). Some of Apple's privacy stuff is nice, but make sure that it's really a concern. I've seen too many people use a MacBook, but then spend 1 an hour on day using Facebook, and use a suite of Google products anyways. Whenever I ask why people use iOS or Android, the reasons we cite on these tech sites don't always come into play. They do so b/c "my [acquaintance] suggested an iphone", or they just like how Android or iOS works. They couldn't care less about the ecosystem, privacy, choice of hardware, customization options, etc.
The "ecosystem" argument is really weak. That's the first thing people say to avoid the question.

Google Photos: Runs on both, better than iCloud Photos
Google Drive: Same on both
Apple Music: Runs on both
Apple iCloud Mail & GMail: Works on both

In 2022 you don't need to be locked into the eCoSyStEm. It's a weak argument for people that won't just say I don't like anything not Apple. I have everything I need spanned across Mac, iOS, Android, & ChromeOS. I find this works nice and lets me take advantage of other products and tools.
 
The "ecosystem" argument is really weak. That's the first thing people say to avoid the question.

Google Photos: Runs on both, better than iCloud Photos
Google Drive: Same on both
Apple Music: Runs on both
Apple iCloud Mail & GMail: Works on both

In 2022 you don't need to be locked into the eCoSyStEm. It's a weak argument for people that won't just say I don't like anything not Apple. I have everything I need spanned across Mac, iOS, Android, & ChromeOS. I find this works nice and lets me take advantage of other products and tools.
I mean there are things like purchased apps that won’t transfer, iMessage, syncing apps across iPad and iPhone ect
 
I often wonder if that’s the consensus of most folks on here. If Apple didn’t tie us in to the ecosystem and make it doubly hard to leave, I wonder how many would switch.

The biggest thing that is stopping me is iMessage, if that worked fully on Android I’d probably leave. iPhones and Apple watches and such have become so stagnated, the same phone every year with a slight bump in camera and SoC and small small software changes. I want new things to happen with my tech and Apple clearly isn’t interested in doing that anymore.
 
Neither have an SD card, nor a headphone jack, so they can both flop for all I care. I'm sick of phones that cost more than twice what they used to, yet still expect their users to pay more than $1 per gigabyte to expand their internal storage when storage costs less than $.10 per GB.
iPhone 13 pro doesn't cost more than $1 per gigabyte to expand internal storage...
 
You mean show Apple how not to do things over a 4-5 year period while Apple refines similar features before releasing it.

Couldn’t agree more. Keep it up, Sammy.
What a stupid post.
Apple won't do something perfectly from day one. Nobody does.
I'd rather have the option to buy/use a feature that was improved over time than not at all.
 
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foldable will die off eventually. good concept and all with this folding screen, but again... it's not going to last like those Motorola razr era.

and Samsung does not have strong phone as well
 
Poor Samsung. Working so hard to show off more devices no one will buy.
 
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