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Star Brood

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If it's screen space you want, which gives more? A phone that can be unfolded to double its screen space, or a headset that effectively turns your entire field of view into a giant display which dwarves even the largest TV you can buy?
Did you read the post that I quoted in mine? That's why. Completely shutting out reality is just a no-go in real life. A phone is already bad enough, why make the problem even worse? Imagine wearing these on a train? That's the only daily use I can think of for them. People bumping into you, blaming you, well, it's probably your fault for wearing such an obtrusive thing on your face anyway.

The Apple advertising team are having a very difficult time trying to portray why this is useful. This is a solution looking for a problem.
 
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Abazigal

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Did you read the post that I quoted in mine? That's why. Completely shutting out reality is just a no-go in real life. A phone is already bad enough, why make the problem even worse? Imagine wearing these on a train? That's the only daily use I can think of for them. People bumping into you, blaming you, well, it's probably your fault for wearing such an obtrusive thing on your face anyway.

The Apple advertising team are having a very difficult time trying to portray why this is useful. This is a solution looking for a problem.
One use case I can already think of is that it works great as a portable monitor someone like MKBHD can bring travelling with him. Imagine you are in a hotel, and you get a giant display to edit videos on, without having to lug said monitor along with you.

The second is immersion. Spatial video will supposedly be extremely realistic. There's also the promise of being able to experience live events like concerts or sporting events as though you are really there at the venue itself. Without needing to leave the comfort of my own home.

Third, it may just be nice to be able to read a document on a giant display.

I think none of us could have imagined the changes brought about by smartphones, just as none of us will be able to envision the changes that spatial computing might bring about. One thing's for sure. Whoever the first person to wear the Vision Pro in public will be, I sure as heck won't be laughing or mocking him (or her). :)
 
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Jamacfer

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I believe that it is the very first generation full of limits that will gradually lead us to true augmented reality. In other words, there will be no more distinction between ourselves and the virtual/digital world. In what way? We start with today's Vision Pro (heavy and bulky), then a slimmer and lighter model, then a pair of glasses, then maybe contact lenses...Today's smartphone and computer are quite distinct from our senses (we have to pick them up, turn them on and then put them in our pockets, etc.) tomorrow they will be "part" of ourselves.
 

makitango

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One use case I can already think of is that it works great as a portable monitor someone like MKBHD can bring travelling with him. Imagine you are in a hotel, and you get a giant display to edit videos on, without having to lug said monitor along with you.

The second is immersion. Spatial video will supposedly be extremely realistic. There's also the promise of being able to experience live events like concerts or sporting events as though you are really there at the venue itself. Without needing to leave the comfort of my own home.

Third, it may just be nice to be able to read a document on a giant display.

I think none of us could have imagined the changes brought about by smartphones, just as none of us will be able to envision the changes that spatial computing might bring about. One thing's for sure. Whoever the first person to wear the Vision Pro in public will be, I sure as heck won't be laughing or mocking him (or her). :)
The portable monitor is a good point and I would make use of that and its portability, but I have experience with VR glasses and any headset will become uncomfortable after a while, and it's unhealthy when it's uncomfortable.

Even if you can do heavy work on it, you will be limited to small timeframes and forced to take long breaks.
 

Jamacfer

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The portable monitor is a good point and I would make use of that and its portability, but I have experience with VR glasses and any headset will become uncomfortable after a while, and it's unhealthy when it's uncomfortable.

Even if you can do heavy work on it, you will be limited to small timeframes and forced to take long breaks.
Yes, today are uncomfortable but not in the near future. It is alway like that. Do you remember the Newton? I do because I owned it and I assure you it was really..uncomfortable and misunderstood in its potential.
 

makitango

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Yes, today are uncomfortable but not in the near future. It is alway like that. Do you remember the Newton? I do because I owned it and I assure you it was really..uncomfortable and misunderstood in its potential.
Many headphones are best-in-class for portability and comfort, but even they become uncomfortable.
This headset shares core similarities with other VR headsets that make these things inevitably uncomfortable, and some things are just not possible to adjust beyond a point where you make it too loose or the material too cheap.

The comfort factor will never be solved with a headset design that both blocks your vision physically or adds stress to your forehead, also physically.

But a mix of Google Glass, AR glasses and this AVP (I always read Alien vs Predator, jeez) could create a potent market if it could lose the headset part and go towards simple AR glasses. But Apple did not go that way, which is a shame because AR itself does have applications.
 

cmbarclay

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There were also tons of people who were impressed with the simple user interface, the innovative design, and of course the combination of an ipod, phone, and internet browsing device. It was in a league of its own. And you know, it solved an obvious problem for lots of people because they no longer needed to carry all these separate devices around.

The AVP doesn’t really solve any problems. Aside the problem some people apparently have of wanting to watch Ted Lasso on a big screen projected onto their ceiling in virtual space. I mean, it’s not even particularly portable.
You have Good points. First we had the personal computer, then the mobile computer and now a spatial computer. Time will tell.
 

marstan

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Apple Mouse, HomePod (it even had to be discontinued before relaunching, let's see how long they can hold their breath this time), Butterfly Keyboard, Ping and countless "gate"-infected products where Apple's excuses were so laughable that they became memes on the internet.
Don't forget the trashcan "can't innovate my ass" MacPro.
 
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G5isAlive

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The vast majority cares but doesn't know about it. There's a difference.

Huh? how can they care about something they don't know about?! there is a world outside of MR. The point is people are not complaining about how slow their base configuration MBA's are. They don't care.

Again, I don't need to cut off my arm to know that it hurts.

facepalms. evaluating a new type of technology is hardly the same as cutting off your arm. this is not a reasonable comparison. I guarantee you whatever you think you know about the APV, if you actually try one, you will learn something new which may or may not change your opinion. thats what every single reviewer says. they could not anticipate it.
Apple Mouse, HomePod (it even had to be discontinued before relaunching, let's see how long they can hold their breath this time), Butterfly Keyboard, Ping and countless "gate"-infected products where Apple's excuses were so laughable that they became memes on the internet.

memes is hardly the standard for bad. The apple mouse was first introduced in 2009. not recent. But agreed not their best design. the HomePod is doing well thank you very much (in the HomePod mini and v2). not a failure as you claim. the butterfly keyboard, shrugs, is what it is. reality is it worked for the vast majority but agreed not their best design. Ping was 2010. not recent. bottom line is there isn't a company in the world that isnt enviable of Apple's track record for success. It didnt get to be #1 by failing. Its just too early to tell on the APV.
why I used the word "problems" in its correct meaning
wrongo. there is this thing called a dictionary, "Problem"

1. any question or matter involving doubt, uncertainty, or difficulty.
2. a question proposed for solution or discussion.

just because you chose to select one meaning doesn't mean its correct to overlook the first meaning. and your original post just wasnt clear as you were comparing it to other devices. and talking about technology. but cool you want to restrict and and rephrase your argument. fine. you dont think it addresses a problem. yawn.

Feel free to enjoy the wait time. Some people also enjoy waiting for Jesus

Wonder why you feel the need to be offensive about religion. but okay. you missed the point again, but I get it, you are a 'what can you do for me now' kind of guy. Not all of us are. Some of us work towards a future.

Enjoy your now. Seems boring to me.
 

Star Brood

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Feb 8, 2012
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I believe that it is the very first generation full of limits that will gradually lead us to true augmented reality. In other words, there will be no more distinction between ourselves and the virtual/digital world. In what way? We start with today's Vision Pro (heavy and bulky), then a slimmer and lighter model, then a pair of glasses, then maybe contact lenses...Today's smartphone and computer are quite distinct from our senses (we have to pick them up, turn them on and then put them in our pockets, etc.) tomorrow they will be "part" of ourselves.
Oh god, I can't wait until Xiaomi makes a cheaper version that puts ads right into your cornea.
 

tomtad

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View attachment 2343824
Red: speaker grill locations
Blue: +/- buttons
(That's how it seems to me)

Yes it's a current iPad Pro so the camera angle which is throwing it off. The speakers are at the bottom, the pencil is on the side and placed slightly off centre so it's overlapping the volume buttons.
 

InvertedGoldfish

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I’d wager $5 cook isn’t wearing the porn goggles when the cameras are not pointed at him

He has a good enough life to not need to hide in cyber world and his reality is much prettier than anything that silly device can render
 

dogstar

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I think they wildly hit the wrong mark with this first iteration. It’s sort of like releasing an iwatch that weighs 2 pounds and is tied to a large battery pack. A watch by definition has to be a certain size and weight.

The same with this, I wish they had just released glasses that did not cause any strain or impinging of our view of reality. Even if that meant a much much reduced feature set.

What would be cool is just glasses with augmented reality (overlay of information in real world) and possibly some kind of simple web browsing if possible and topped with a ChatGPT+ super advanced AI user interface that only apple could do right. Then as tech grows, grow the functionality of the glasses, but don’t EVER make them NOT GLASSES.

Glasses, airpod pros, and maybe a light beanie over the head. It shouldn’t be much more than that, what a normal human being might wear day to day on their head.
 
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