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Article was a good read. Was good to know more about the development of Vision Pro. The photo was a bonus.
 
This might be Tim's Steve Jobs iPhone moment. Everyone said the original iPhone was too expensive and would fail with no keyboard and no apps. We all know how that ended.
There were also tons of people who were impressed with the simple user interface, the innovative design, and of course the combination of an ipod, phone, and internet browsing device. It was in a league of its own. And you know, it solved an obvious problem for lots of people because they no longer needed to carry all these separate devices around.

The AVP doesn’t really solve any problems. Aside the problem some people apparently have of wanting to watch Ted Lasso on a big screen projected onto their ceiling in virtual space. I mean, it’s not even particularly portable.
 
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Religious experience? Come on James, you can do better.

And about the whole product, there's one thing I retain from all the reviews and interviews:

- Lots of good UI ideas (some weird and some really bad as well)
- Incredible hardware
- Having the behemot power of Apple behind this product is the guarantee that this will not be yet another moonshot at the concept
- iPadOS as the foundation gives it a very strong head start.

But my extended time with the Vive at home and other VR headsets at work allows me to make one very concerning conclusion:

This technology IS ISOLATING, whatever the marketing department wants you to believe in.

Since the new rise of VR with Oculus, this and the other concerns I have still not changed at ALL.

- Watching a movie on a giant screen? Great ! But... what's the point of going alone to the movie theatre?
- Working on productivity stuff? Aren't you better served with a couple 4k screens, a mouse and keyboard and a powerful and versatile OS like MacOS or Windows? Yes you can do that with the AVP, but with a brick on your face and a sore neck. Why?
- You're stuck to your chair/couch. Moving with a VR headset is still not a solved problem. Mixed /AR experiences can offset the issue to a point, but as soon as it become too immersive, many people will be prone to sickness (Nilay told that even watching Avatar in 3D made him uncomfortable)
- Interacting with others: as long as you can't share your "world", your own cyberspace, with others, you'll feel forever alone.
-Sharing: the need for customizing the device to your eyesight makes it very difficult to share. Go go go individualism ! Same approach as the iPad: why encourage your customers to share a device when you can upsell a device to each of them ? That's why iOS and iPadOS will never see multi-user implemented, and I suppose that if Apple could, it would do the same to MacOS.
- Getting interrupted during your experience will always be awkward for the person interrupting because they can't see what they are interrupting.

Are we really after this lite dystopia experience? Is this really something solving any issues, or at least more issues than it creates? The first images of that AVP dad filming the birthday was already quite telling, and even if it isn't pushed as strong as before, the people who proposed this kind of ideas are still trying to get you on their coolaid.

I think the main issue is that people working at Apple aren't family guys, they all live alone or in environment far diffrent than what "normal" people live everyday, with kids, significant others, relatives always around the corner, talking to you, showing you a photo,...

Believe me, I tried to use the Vive for somehting else than short experiences, and it is NOT compatible with a family life.

It's not by chance than the Meta Quest is focusing on games and fitness, two activities many people like when they're in their own world.

My bet is Apple will probably have to pivot around and focus on these experiences instead of productivity, for short bursts of adrenaline. Like they did with the Apple watch.

Of course, this is just my opinion, but while I appreciate the technological prowess, I'm really not sold on the concept.
what a well-thought-through response. I think the target market here is the business class flier who already is used to spending time in the air alone and trying to get work done. This headset would be a remarkable purchase for that specific customer. For the rest of us scrubs, it's another story.

This headset is not portable. Apple devices normally fit into a pocket (ipod/iphone) or at least into a slim backpack. This headset requires its own carrying case. I don't carry around a DSLR for the same reason; it is just not convenient to bring in every situation.

I find it hypocritical and ironic that they say that they "pulled this device out of the future" and that they couldn't innovate it further at this time, when this product is actually remiscent of something rushed to the market. Why they would jump on the VR bandwagon in an awkward way before foldable phones is beyond me. They thought foldable stuff was not market-ready, but this scuba mask is?

Give me an iPhone with an extendable screen so that it can be pocketed and can be used for more than just quick and easy, lazy stuff. I want a device that can do everything, but I don't want it sitting directly on my face.
 
Why they would jump on the VR bandwagon in an awkward way before foldable phones is beyond me. They thought foldable stuff was not market-ready, but this scuba mask is?
If it's screen space you want, which gives more? A phone that can be unfolded to double its screen space, or a headset that effectively turns your entire field of view into a giant display which dwarves even the largest TV you can buy?
 
This article sums up my feelings on VP. It’s a solution in search of a problem. There is no clear use case. It exists to please Wall Street. Tim Cook isn’t going to be using this on a regular basis. My guess is not many at Apple will (outside of those working on the product).

Short-sighted article: needs are created (even Steve Jobs said so). What do we really need that we use daily and cannot do without? (too bad the generations before us lived happily without it). Statements like this have always been made when new products have come out that have never been seen before. Among other things, people forget that in the next few years it will come down to just a pair of glasses. Augmented/virtual reality is here to stay.
 
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Short-sighted article: needs are created (even Steve Jobs said so). What do we really need that we use daily and cannot do without? (too bad the generations before us lived happily without it). Statements like this have always been made when new products have come out that have never been seen before. Among other things, people forget that in the next few years it will come down to just a pair of glasses. Augmented/virtual reality is here to stay.
Lol, VR is barely here to visit, and AR hasn’t even arrived.
 
🙄 So why aren't them doing any of that then? They're so smart, but all they do is whine and moan on online forums. Also, the VAST majority of people (you know, actual humans) don't know about or care of "nerfing of SSD speeds." Get over it already.
The vast majority cares but doesn't know about it. There's a difference.
Oh wow, I didn't realize that you had already used it and were able to make that determination.
Again, I don't need to cut off my arm to know that it hurts.
That's your opinion only, far from fact.
How do you know it's far from fact? Do you have data to back it up?
Name the recent flops.
Apple Mouse, HomePod (it even had to be discontinued before relaunching, let's see how long they can hold their breath this time), Butterfly Keyboard, Ping and countless "gate"-infected products where Apple's excuses were so laughable that they became memes on the internet.
So the point of the original post, maybe you didn't read it, was about technical (mechanical) problems inherent to most VR or AR headsets. It was assumed one wanted a headset for whatever reason.
Oh I read it. You are missing the point again: It is irrelevant what limitations technical specs have (by your given point, even 1900 over 2000 mHz would be a "problem") because those are limitations and not problems which is why I used the word "problems" in its correct meaning vs you folks using it to put lipstick on a pig. I will say it again: There is not one actual problem that this product is solving. It has been in development since, what, longer than the Apple modem, and they didn't even have the skill or brainpower to come up with one single app that made anyone say "Oh yeah, I finally have a reason to buy it".
The reason why people still mention Steve's keynotes is because he was able to show off plenty of use-cases and solving actual problems with e. g. the iPhone, or the Watch, or the iPad and Mac. Mac vs PC guy was also about that, it was 100% practical and 0% theoretical, and that's why it was called innovation.
The reason (or lack of) for its existence at all is a separate question. But I agree with SJ when he said if you ask a study group what they want, they will only answer with what they know. I think it's likely the AVP will never be 'needed' except as a necessary step to pass through to get to the future. And a lot of people will rightfully wait for that problem to be solved. Me, I enjoy the journey.
Feel free to enjoy the wait time. Some people also enjoy waiting for Jesus. This is by fact a product which has no current purpose and that purpose may come or it won't. The shareholders go fed up that Apple dumped too much money into the project with nothing to show off, that's why it was released and everybody knows it. That's the same reason why project Titan got reduced to a dustball. Because there is not even a checkpoint they reached which they set for themselves.
So what? I’ve the read reviews of those who have. None of them provided a killer use case. I’m not spending $3500 on something I’m not sure what I’d use it for.
^This. Apple has all the money in the world to advertise and glorify its product and yet failed to even communicate one good enough use case for people actually wanting to buy it. I can't imagine anyone here wanting to buy it and I don't think that many are here who cannot afford it.
Short-sighted article: needs are created (even Steve Jobs said so). What do we really need that we use daily and cannot do without? (too bad the generations before us lived happily without it). Statements like this have always been made when new products have come out that have never been seen before. Among other things, people forget that in the next few years it will come down to just a pair of glasses. Augmented/virtual reality is here to stay.
Short-sighted because it is not praising it?
When it comes down to just becoming glasses, then of course it would be different because then, you won't obstruct your environment like that anymore. Many use-cases for mere glasses having AR features built-in easily come to mind, like seeing information about the building in front of you, seeing the bus behind some houses to know if you need to run in order to get it, etc. But the VP? Zero.
 
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It always amazes me how many folks here disparage this product without having ever tried it and yet feel 100% justified in their opinion, all the reviews be damned
It amazes me how the fanboys who have never even used a VR helmet have the opposite opinion. Let the returns begin!
 
When many reviewers like this one, say they were sceptical but are “blown away” by the experience, there must be something to it. I believe this is a glimpse into the future of personal computers/media devices. Also loved the fish tank anecdote.
I have a bridge for sale, if interested.
 
It amazes me how the fanboys who have never even used a VR helmet have the opposite opinion. Let the returns begin!

I hope you're not talking about me, because I have explicitly reserved judgement on the whole thing. At 48 years old, I know what I don't know.
 
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Short-sighted article: needs are created (even Steve Jobs said so). What do we really need that we use daily and cannot do without? (too bad the generations before us lived happily without it). Statements like this have always been made when new products have come out that have never been seen before. Among other things, people forget that in the next few years it will come down to just a pair of glasses. Augmented/virtual reality is here to stay.
I remember when Tim Cook said the wrist was interesting and people only wore glasses because they have to. Now big, bulky googles on your face is the future? Please. Cool tech in and of itself isn’t a product. VP is the ultimate tech for tech’s sake product.
 
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This. Apple has all the money in the world to advertise and glorify its product and yet failed to even communicate one good enough use case for people actually wanting to buy it. I can't imagine anyone here wanting to buy it and I don't think that many are here who cannot afford it.

Short-sighted because it is not praising it?
When it comes down to just becoming glasses, then of course it would be different because then, you won't obstruct your environment like that anymore. Many use-cases for mere glasses having AR features built-in easily come to mind, like seeing information about the building in front of you, seeing the bus behind some houses to know if you need to run in order to get it, etc. But the VP? Zero.
I read Gruber’s review and and basically watching movies was the only thing VP really excelled at. But even that…you’re still wearing big, bulky googles on your face. I wonder what the commentary was like here back when Google Glass first came out. My guess is a lot of it was snarky. Even now I’m seeing plenty of pro-Apple analysts throw snark and shade at Meta yet are completely bullish on VP. Metaverse is a joke but spatial computing is the future even though both are just BS company marketing terms.
 
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”Big, bulky googles” are the present, light glasses are the near future. PS what is the future? A better camera on the iPhone or a new processor on the MacBook? Again, AR and VR are here to stay.
 
I remember when Tim Cook said the wrist was interesting and people only wore glasses because they have to. Now big, bulky googles on your face is the future? Please. Cool tech in and of itself isn’t a product. VP is the ultimate tech for tech’s sake product.

For me that’s it in a nutshell. Undoubtedly a technical marvel and impressive achievement, but I personally think it’ll be a commercial failure in the context of “the next big thing”.
 
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