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There are better and easier ways to become rich which doesn‘t involve making yourself look like a monkey or turn a product company into a service company, or one that feasts on incremental bean-counting and nerfing of SSD speeds in follow-up device releases, or praise the non-existent security benefit in their app review.

🙄 So why aren't them doing any of that then? They're so smart, but all they do is whine and moan on online forums. Also, the VAST majority of people (you know, actual humans) don't know about or care of "nerfing of SSD speeds." Get over it already.

These products brought applications with them that actual humans found useful. They‘ve had this in development for years and there is yet to be a single app to actually make this device worthwhile. Apple could at least offer one good app which would make this thing useful or genuinely better at something that would warrant a purchase.

Oh wow, I didn't realize that you had already used it and were able to make that determination.

Is is better at cultivating their stock and that‘s about it. The last really good product I remember was the AirPods. Or the mini devices (which addressed the issue of portability).

That's your opinion only, far from fact.

Apple is far from guaranteed with pioneering devices these days and they got a good number of flops. With a product guy with an actual vision that is not blocked like the Vision Pro, that would obviously be easier.

Name the recent flops.
 
I really don‘t see an actual problem that this device is supposed to solve. Maybe a problem needs to be created in order for it to solve it.

So the point of the original post, maybe you didn't read it, was about technical (mechanical) problems inherent to most VR or AR headsets. It was assumed one wanted a headset for whatever reason.

The reason (or lack of) for its existence at all is a separate question. But I agree with SJ when he said if you ask a study group what they want, they will only answer with what they know. I think it's likely the AVP will never be 'needed' except as a necessary step to pass through to get to the future. And a lot of people will rightfully wait for that problem to be solved. Me, I enjoy the journey.
 
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I agree with this Threads post. Apple is positioning VP to be the future of computing whereas VR headsets are more purpose built and you know what they’re for and what they do well. VP is kind of like let’s stick a bunch of cool tech in a product and see if developers/consumers stumble on a use case. Maybe it will be like AW and a few years from now the use case will be clear. But right now it seems more dystopian than the future of anything.

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This is going to age like a banana in a backpack. Also the dude hasn’t even used one. What a dope
 
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This is going to age like a banana in a backpack. Also the dude hasn’t even used one. What a dope
So what? I’ve the read reviews of those who have. None of them provided a killer use case. I’m not spending $3500 on something I’m not sure what I’d use it for.
 
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This product is now officially dead on arrival.


This reminds me of when the Segway scooter came out. Instead of having somebody who was really cool at the time, like Puff Daddy was, they had Bill Gates driving went around. The nerd factor was screaming so loudly that no self-respecting person except for a mall cop would get on it

So now we have an old nerdy white guy wearing this big clunky thing on his face.…
Actually it was Steve Jobs that promoted it, stating that it would change the way cities are designed. Is that cool enough?

Also, the Vanity Fair article as corporate PR is directed precisely at people who can easily afford this device, so it is both deliberate and effective. We old nerdy guys have purchasing power.
 
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He looks like a total dweeb wearing that thing. I'm going to suggest that he turn in his gay card!
 
Actually it was Steve Jobs that promoted it, stating that it would change the way cities are designed. Is that cool enough?

Also, the Vanity Fair article as corporate PR is directed precisely at people who can easily afford this device, so it is both deliberate and effective. We old nerdy guys have purchasing power.
This is fair enough. I watched a video where Andy Hertzfeld said he couldn't afford the Apple ][ when it first came so he would just go to clubs and places where it was sold to check it out. He had to wait for a sale to actually purchase one.
 
Yes, the pictures that Father would be taking is likely the gorilla tearing his children apart. Recall the kid who got into a gorilla cage a few years ago at the Cincinnati zoo. There was no hugging expectations.

Unlike you, I lean positive on this brand new kind of product, but I do NOT see it as some kind of (local) group/social device. IMO, it's in the bag or quickly removed when its owner wants to interact with others around them... much like I'm almost never pulling the laptop out at a social gathering. I even leave my iDevice in the car when I intend to be in social settings, not wanting "the precious" to have a chance at taking my attention away from the people around me with even a notification. No Watch either... partially for the same reasoning.

That shared though, we ALL have abundant time in solo mode, focusing in on getting our work done or watching some bit of entertainment on our own. To me, that's where this thing can fit in just fine... in the same spots where a user is focused on getting something done on their laptop or flying somewhere and wanting to zone out with some movie, next to the guy in a sleep mask (and sometimes still in their covid mask too), next to a guy watching something of their own choosing on the seatback screen, their iDevice or their laptop screen.
If you're talking about Harambe, that gorilla did not harm that child. Yes, he dragged him out of the water onto his alpha perch. He could have torn the kid to shreds, as you suggest, but that was not his intention at all. Then he was killed instead of tranquilized to rescue the boy.

For precedent, at the Brookfield Zoo (Chicago suburb) in 1996, a boy fell into the gorilla enclosure, was knocked out, and was rescued by a female gorilla named Binti Jua, who held him away from other curioius gorillas, and took him to the door where her keeper was motioning to bring the boy. She's still alive, at age 28, and people from all over the world continue to visit to see our heroine!
 
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I hate to be this way, but everyone who puts these on somehow looks older/aged more. It's like it's pushing their faces down, making them look like their face is sagging.
 
The thing is, the AVP doesn’t solve any of the technical issues that prevents us from building true-AR smart glasses and contact lenses. Apple also didn’t create this vision of the future, it’s been there since the 90s. So what’s the point? This is an incrementally better version of the Quest, but also worse for gaming and exercising, and very expensive. To repeat, it doesn’t solve any of the fundamental issues that existing VR headsets exhibit.
The technologies behind the first Macintosh were also not new, but the way they were implemented made all the difference.
 
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What normal? Is it normal to walk around with a metal brick in one's hand while ignoring the world around ourselves? Is it normal to carry said brick around in our pocket at all times? Is it normal to put a screen + keyboard on ones lap? It it normal to carry a screen + keyboard and another screen (tablet) and a third screen (phone)... all capable of running almost all of the same apps?

If the answer to any of those is YES, WHY is it "normal"? At one point in time nobody carried any of that. Perhaps it was abnormally weird to imagine anyone doing any of that then? In other words, give Vpro some time- like the rest of the mix- and while it will never be what I presume is your definition of "normal", it will likely find its spots for good productive/enjoyable use... just like the other products.

I lean positive on this product but I have no concept that a "normal" would be any form of 24/7 or 16/7. In fact, my own expectations is that this lives in the bag the majority of time for just about ANY Vpro owner... much like laptops. I doubt it will ever be OUT and as visible (normal?) as smart phones. On the other hand, except for when I'm working in the same space with others, I can imagine that just about every time I pull out the laptop to get things done, I might opt to use the Vpro super-sized screen instead of the laptop screen.

At home or office where I have traditional setups and/or big screen TVs, I imagine it will be in the bag almost 100% of the time- just like a laptop. However, as soon as I'm away from the places where the traditional is anchored, this offers the ability to have a super-sized screen on demand. Yes, we already have a super-sized TV at home for our social watching with family & friends. However, we can't balance that TV on the tray table when we're flying.

As opportunities present themselves to enjoy a super-sized screen in a sensible way, I'll enjoy it. When it makes more sense to lean on iDevice or laptop screen- such as when needing to share a screen with others- I'll NOT be using it. When it's time to be social, I'm very likely using NO screen devices at any time... which is as easy as choosing NOT to be using them. Unlike what some seem to perceive, this one is not glued or otherwise permanently affixed to anyone's face... just like a laptop is not permanently attached to anyone's lap. When it makes sense to put it (or the laptop) away, user puts it away. It obviously slips off as easily as folding a laptop closed... and then either going into a bag.

Careful - you're making too much sense.

I don't get it. What's the reason for the iPad to exist over the iPhone. A somewhat bigger screen. They do all the same things. Yet somehow a screen that is massive and fills your whole field of view is not useful or attractive to anyone, and this will completely flop?

Yes, it's expensive but so was the original Mac ($7,000 in today's dollars). Doesn't mean this doesn't have any usefulness or won't succeed as the price comes down.
 


Tim Cook has been finally pictured wearing the Apple Vision Pro headset. The photographs accompany a Vanity Fair article about the device, which leads on the digital cover of the magazine.

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This is the first time the Apple CEO has been seen wearing the device since its unveiling at WWDC 2023 in June. Given that Cook is usually keen to model and be seen using Apple devices, particularly during keynote events and speeches, it's interesting that the company appears to have been a little more reticent to take the same approach with Vision Pro, until now.

The article includes interview quotes from Tim Cook, Greg Joswiak, James Cameron, Jon Favreau, and others on their experience with Apple Vision Pro, how the headset was developed, and more. Here are some select quotes from the piece, which was written by Nick Bilton:
You can read the full review on the Vanity Fair website.

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Apple Vision Pro starts at $3,499 and launches in the U.S. this Friday, February 2. Apple has said the Vision Pro will launch in additional countries later this year.

Article Link: Here's What Tim Cook Looks Like Wearing Apple Vision Pro
Whenever I see anyone wearing these or the Meta Quest Pro I'm reminded of this.

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This article sums up my feelings on VP. It’s a solution in search of a problem. There is no clear use case. It exists to please Wall Street. Tim Cook isn’t going to be using this on a regular basis. My guess is not many at Apple will (outside of those working on the product).

 
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These pictures are staged to look like snapshots, but every single item in the picture is consciously placed. Do you really think there would be prototypes from upcoming products just lying around?
Now I have to look at back issues of Vanity Fair. I don't normally read it. Are they known for staged photos in their cover stories, or candid snapshots?
 
This article sums up my feelings on VP. It’s a solution in search of a problem. There is no clear use case. It exists to please Wall Street. Tim Cook isn’t going to be using this on a regular basis. My guess is not many at Apple will (outside of those working on the product).

Why do you imagine that would please Wall Street?
 
This might be Tim's Steve Jobs iPhone moment. Everyone said the original iPhone was too expensive and would fail with no keyboard and no apps. We all know how that ended.
 
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