Heroes Season 1, part 2

[Raid]

All in all a good episode! The biggest debate between my friends is figuring out if Sylar and Peter really dead. The argument for both of them being dead is mainly from a writing stand point, as both are very powerfull and the show could degenerate to a point where Peter solves all the problems or Sylar creates havoc with their continually growing powers. Which would lead to a yawn fest of formulaic plots or contrived situations, requiring others to save the day or villans that Sylar isn't interested in their powers. The weak point in the argument is that Peter did survive the blast in the alternate future, so why not this time around?

As for Sylar...

I was a bit surprised as hiro was in a perfect position to swing and decapitate sylar as he slumped over and fell

I was thinking the same, and expecting him to do it. Maybe he was going to and then Sylar pushed him before he saw the opportunity. More than likely it's done so we could ask "Is Sylar alive?" for the next 4 months isn't it a move rule to always kill the villians twice?

Nathan could concevably be alive if he flew away from Peter before the blast...

The new villian Molly mentions (the one who is 'worse' than Sylar) will be interesting to see especially how/why Molly knows him/her.

Stray question. Is bad ass Japanese for constipated?

Well at that particular moment I'd have to say... yes. But the future Hiro we saw in other episodes sure looked it.

 

[weldon]

One thing that bugs me is that Peter's ability to absorb powers is too inconsistent. He should be able to absorb all of Sylar's powers too. He should have been able to fly away on his own, since he's been around Nathan forever. He should have been able to heal Parkman, since he's been around Linderman. And so on and so on.

It feels like bad plot to me when Peter's absorbed abilities are either conveniently present (the threat of explosion) or absent (the inability to fly away on his own).

With Hiro's time traveling, I could see a whole story arc devoted to the back story of the conflict between those with powers. Kensei is one story, but what about the Petrelli's ancestors? How about Linderman as a young man, etc? I think that's what "Generations" refers to - a new arc about the history behind the current supers.

I think the "person worse than the boogey-man" has yet to be introduced.

 

[mattscott306]

One thing that bugs me is that Peter's ability to absorb powers is too inconsistent. He should be able to absorb all of Sylar's powers too. He should have been able to fly away on his own, since he's been around Nathan forever. He should have been able to heal Parkman, since he's been around Linderman. And so on and so on.

I believe all of these questions have been looked into in this thread. Peter can't absorb sylar's power because he needs to pull from the original source, not another mimic. He couldn't fly away for one of two reasons: 1. He can only use one power at a time (I think this is false as Sylar can use two powers at the same time) or 2. Because he was focused on trying to keep himself from exploding. And finally, he hasn't been shown around Linderman, so we can't be sure that he has absorbed his power, we know the radius is about ten feet (thats about how far he was from Ted when he stole his power) so even if he was in the same room as Linderman he might not have been close enough to take the power.

With Hiro's time traveling, I could see a whole story arc devoted to the back story of the conflict between those with powers. Kensei is one story, but what about the Petrelli's ancestors? How about Linderman as a young man, etc? I think that's what "Generations" refers to - a new arc about the history behind the current supers.

I think the "person worse than the boogey-man" has yet to be introduced.

I agree with you on both points there, I think that would be an interesting series (but I will say I'd rather see a continuation of the another present time arc). The writer of the comic Ctl-Alt-Delete says it best:

Dear Satan...
01:44 AM - Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - by Tim

Want to trade one soul (near-mint condition) in exchange for one new episode of Heroes every day for the rest of my life.

Do you accept?

 

[nateDEEZY]

One thing that bugs me is that Peter's ability to absorb powers is too inconsistent. He should be able to absorb all of Sylar's powers too. He should have been able to fly away on his own, since he's been around Nathan forever. He should have been able to heal Parkman, since he's been around Linderman. And so on and so on.

It feels like bad plot to me when Peter's absorbed abilities are either conveniently present (the threat of explosion) or absent (the inability to fly away on his own).

With Hiro's time traveling, I could see a whole story arc devoted to the back story of the conflict between those with powers. Kensei is one story, but what about the Petrelli's ancestors? How about Linderman as a young man, etc? I think that's what "Generations" refers to - a new arc about the history behind the current supers.

I think the "person worse than the boogey-man" has yet to be introduced.

I figured Peter was using all of his strength to prevent himself from blowing up, because last time he had to "contain" ted's ability he passed out.

 

[angelneo]

I was a bit surprised as hiro was in a perfect position to swing and decapitate sylar as he slumped over and fell

Well, Hiro can freeze time, he probably freeze sylar and then stab him, which is why sylar did not react.

I find the finale rather well done. Instead of going to usual comic style where a battle royale would take place, they choose to go a different route.

 

[furcalchick]

I passed Sylar coming out of the subway today.

did he try to open your head?

i think that's where he went after the end of the show.

and what's volume one called?

 

[majapapaya]

did he try to open your head?

Like I said earlier he responded nicely to my blabbering comments. I just wish it happened today so I could have ask all these questions that were raised on the forum.

i think that's where he went after the end of the show.

It's rather funny that you brought that up. He did slide into a manhole.

and what's volume one called?

??? ???

 

[furcalchick]

i loved the ending...so much better than 24's cheesy ending. but i was a bit disappointed in a way, it didn't match any of the visions. and i think something seemed cheesy with the ending (very minor though). the whole show was great.

the claire gun moment reminded me of a similar scene in sonic 06, and i was a bit sad at the end.

it looks like niki has super strength as well, and she isn't as evil as she seemed in the earlier shows, it's like she's a guardian angel (fallen, probably).

and i don't think we can say anyone is dead...i see nathan, peter and sylar sitting out next season and coming back later in the series.

and it looks like angela was head of the company and probably has some ability of some sort.

can't wait till season two (and hopefully this doesn't get canned like jericho did).

 

[TheAnswer]

He did slide into a manhole.

I guess that's his new backdoor superpower.

 

[majapapaya]

I guess that's his new backdoor superpower.

I guess so, appearing in front of me in the SUBWAY, really funny looking back now, I wonder if he took on Mikas powers and doesn't have to pay.

 

[mattscott306]

can't wait till season two (and hopefully this doesn't get canned like jericho did).

Jericho you could tell was a little iffy all the way through, but Heroes- I'm thinking replaces 24 as the awards winner this year.

I wonder if he took on Mikas powers and doesn't have to pay.

He'd have to kill Micah first, and I'm doubting Jessica/Nikki is/are ever gonna let that happen.

 

[obeygiant]

I think the "person worse than the boogey-man" has yet to be introduced.

Coudl it be the samurai in the past that Hiro has gone to meet?

 

[mattscott306]

Coudl it be the samurai in the past that Hiro has gone to meet?

I think the Samurai from the past is to be viewed as a good/righteous character.

 

[TBi]

First off... why couldn't peter just fly himself... he has the power.

Oh and the samurai looks very like Hiro's dad.

 

[mattscott306]

First off... why couldn't peter just fly himself... he has the power.

That was discussed earlier. Most seem to think he can only use one power at a time, another theory is he had to use to much energy to focus on containing Ted's power he couldn't use another power.

 

[TBi]

That was discussed earlier. Most seem to think he can only use one power at a time, another theory is he had to use to much energy to focus on containing Ted's power he couldn't use another power.

I only read that after i posted it.

Do think that the samurai is George Takei though. I paused and zoomed in. He looks very similar and very old.

 

[mattscott306]

I only read that after i posted it.

Do think that the samurai is George Takei though. I paused and zoomed in. He looks very similar and very old.

Dunno, do you mind posting a few screenshots if you can? I'll buy the episode off ITMS when I get home and check as well.

 

[TBi]

Dunno, do you mind posting a few screenshots if you can? I'll buy the episode off ITMS when I get home and check as well.

Bit busy at the moment sorry. Will try later if someone else hasn't done so.

 

[2nyRiggz]

yeah, and nathan flying didn't look at all fake, or Peter glowing!

I was talking about how sylar stood there for like a couple of seconds and just let Hiro stab him..it wasn't a sudden stab like if he was surprised by it.

I can also roll my eyes too....but it is over used..oh what the hell



Bless

 

[TBi]

Here are some piccys

 

[AppleGuy08]

Wow, yah what a great episode. I was a little dissapointed though. For the past week the episode was advertised as "the 2 hour season finale of Heroes" however, to my dissapointment, it was only 1. As many have already said, peter and his inconsistent powers are sorta bugging me. But oh well, i'll let Kring do what he wants to his show. Its all good

Oh also, Keep August 28 in the back of your minds. Season 1 will be coming out on DVD. Itll be a 23 episode, 7 disc set. The DVD will also have all the behind the scenes stuff, commentary (cast/director) AND the origional unaired pilot! Im excited for that.

Finally, id like to request another title change to this thread. If possible, please make it Heroes, Volume 1 (or something like that) Thanks!

 

[kasei]

Here are some piccys

The time period is suppose to be 1671 which would make Hiro's father over 300 years old. If that's that case what is his power and does his sister also have some kind of power?

I think the person Hiro sees when he goes back in time is his ancestor and not his father.

 

[furcalchick]

Oh also, Keep August 28 in the back of your minds. Season 1 will be coming out on DVD. Itll be a 23 episode, 7 disc set. The DVD will also have all the behind the scenes stuff, commentary (cast/director) AND the origional unaired pilot! Im excited for that.

i'm hoping it's not too much...i'll pre-order it pretty soon, depending on a jericho dvd announcement.

 

[angelneo]

I was talking about how sylar stood there for like a couple of seconds and just let Hiro stab him..it wasn't a sudden stab like if he was surprised by it.

I think it's quite obvious that Hiro has frozen time for that moment, which is why Sylar did not react. If you can remember, Ando was commenting that Hiro can now use his ability faster than Sylar.

 

[atszyman]

Ok, I'm a bit behind here but I'm not sure about liking the ending or not.

Earlier in this thread I wondered why Peter didn't fly or why Nathan didn't fly him away, I guess I finally made an accurate prediction. I think Nathan is still alive. Once he started flying Peter I'm betting that Peter succumbing to the inevitability of his exploding stopped concentrating on holding back and started flying himself. Possibly even using his telekinesis to push Nathan away.

Peter can absorb powers from Sylar, he has already shown he has telekinetic abilities that we've only seen in Sylar so far, and we know that the telekinetic was Sylar's first kill. My theory on why Peter can/cannot use powers he should have supposedly absorbed is that he has no clue that he has absorbed those powers yet. Every power he has thus far he's seen in action or at least known of it's existence, he still has much to learn.

As for the next season, I've recently read an article on Heroes in EW and the creators have confirmed that the next season has to do with previous generations and how some of the organizations of "heroes" came to be. Mother Patrelli, Linderman, the Nakamuras will all be featured from what I had read. I don't think Hiro is Kinsei but I do think he is one of Hiro's ancestors.