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Hewlett Packard Not Convinced of the Value of Thunderbolt
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Yes, but many new HP machines have USB3 in them, if Apple releases TB and USB3.0 cable simultaneously, which they most likely would... otherwise they can't sell their iPhones, iPads and iPods, remember, you have to connect your devices to iTunes before able to do anything with it.
The extra bandwidth on Thunderbolt has very little effect to it, because unless apple somehow designed a controller to max out the solid state storage in iOS devices, 5Gbps vs 10Gbps means very little. Heck, even if apple manages to top SandForce controllers currently capable of pushing through 500MBps, that's still within the theoretical limit of both standards. Not to mention that none of the build options from any Mac computers is capable of pushing more than 250MBps. Only users with aftermarket SATA3 SSDs are capable of a higher transfer. Thus, making an iDevice with Thunderbolt or any other standard makes very little difference.
Don't get me wrong, I love apple products, but apple has a record of pushing some standards that never really reached popularity.
You know certain people were saying basically the same thing when apple went USB exclusive on the iMac.
They'll still be around as workstations, but very few people will be buying new PC's in the traditional desktop form factor by the end of this decade. The laptop has already replaced the desktop as the most popular form factor. Tablets and smartphones will continue to crowd the desktop (and even the traditional laptop) out of the market.
I love newegg, but what's happening there is indicative only of the very tiny geek marketplace - less than 5% of the PC industry as a whole.
That's nice. But with Thunderbolt you don't need a desktop PC to take advantage of desktop peripherals, like high-end graphics cards or external accelerators. In fact, you could plug a Thunderbolt-equipped tablet - or even a smartphone - into an expansion box and take advantage of desktop-class graphics and storage hardware.
So why limit yourself to the desktop form factor?
You won't. Which is why the desktop as we've known it is on its way to becoming virtually extinct.
Nice to see HP's completely out of the loop on this one, though. Even Dell has figured out Thunderbolt is the wave of the future.
Oh well. They'll always have printer ink that costs more per-ounce than gold...
Backward compatibility with USB 2 is no advantage on a computer with plenty of USB2 ports. 10 times faster than USB 2 is no advantage when it is less than half the speed of Thunderbolt. Thousands of peripherals for USB 2 are no advantage again; you'd have to count the ones that actually use USB 3.
Correct.
Funny how i have never seen a computer with USB3, not that they don't exist just aren't very common.
Again read above, your eSATA argument is weak eSATA was only a minor improvement over Firewire
Plain old wrong, i have a SATA 3 drive in my computer right now.
Wrong.
Display port is a superior standard to HDMI and why have both display port and HDMI when you can get HDMI from the display port?
Blu ray is gaining market share but not as much as Online download. Blu ray drives are big and require power i would much rather have that go towards a second HD.
HDMI has absolutely no advantages over Display port (I wonder why professionals use Display port?), the latest HDMI is comparable to Display port however the Display port standard is due for update which will up the ante again. Also Display port can have longer cables, better signal over longer distances and another advantage which is stuck on the tip of my tongue.
Thunderbolt will be optic when Intel find a way of releasing it while keeping it affordable.
I wasnt aware that lenovo were using DP. Even still - without the 'big boys' using it its never going to catch on like USB has.
As for the 30pin connector, its a MASSIVE fail simply because its proprietary and exclusive to Apple products...it doesnt even come into this argument.
HP is like every other PC maker and will use USB 3 which is a standard now.
Where is Thunderbolt anyway???? Where are peripherals? I know they announced but none have shipped. I think if you spun it the way HP sees it ....
We picked USB 3 because we wanted customers to actually be able to use it
Where is Thunderbolt anyway???? Where are peripherals? I know they announced but none have shipped. I think if you spun it the way HP sees it ....
We picked USB 3 because we wanted customers to actually be able to use it
Yeah, I hear that HP has a computer for him and 90% of the People on this planet!!!! We Apple fans don't need no crappy USB3!!! We have thunderbolt, a new port that nobody uses and has few, if any devices that will work with it!!! Wooo Hooo, and it allows ours Macs to be so THIN and elegant!!! And we get to hang a bunch of sexy, elegant, and gorgeous dongles off the side of our Macs.
Cant stand wireless actually...too many people use it causing all 13 channels to be full, thus terrible quality signal. I'll take a Cat5e any day
Dont get me wrong. I would love thunderbolt to succeed...it seems like an awesome technology. But the fact remains, and can not be denied: If additional manufacturers OTHER THAN APPLE do not get on board, it will flop...big time.
If you think I'm wrong here then you are delusional. Most people don't buy macs, thats a given. What Intel/Apple need to do is get their asses in to gear and get deals worked out with Dell, Toshiba, HP, Sony, etc to get Thunderbolt put into their lines.
Will they actually be INCLUDING the connection?
After all Apple are on the Blu-Ray Disc Association and yet they don't have BD drives/support.
Personally I think HP will include thunderbolt once there is actual need/demand for it since they will be trying to keep costs as low as possible.
Intel also need to get it included by OEMs and peripheral makers if they want it to succeed.
And how many 80MB hard drives do you have in your closet that were going to be "as much storage as you ever need"...?
But, it's it elegant, delicious, gorgeous, and most importantly thin? Does it have the Sexy!!!!!! Will it make me feel special at Starbucks?????? As you know from reading these forms, features don't matter - Our computers have the Sex!!!!!! We're skating to where the puck is going to be!!!!!
Steve love us, and cares about all of us.
I have an old Apple external scsi hard disk in a drawer I think its about 100 meg and full of newton applications
Which was stolen from Xerox
True.
Still as far as i know Xerox didn't actually have a working GUI?
Who can take it seriously now, when it is supposed to be replaced by what it was supposed to be ?
No, you don't need an upgrade to your computer only cable. The port is Optic enabled but Intel wont ship Optic cables till they can make them cheap enough.
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People actually think the reason for slow sync speeds is because of USB. Oh my lol
Only a moron would assume Flash RAM won't be getting faster in the coming years. In fact, the Flash RAM in the iPhone 5 is likely to be substantially faster than anything we've seen deployed to date in an iOS device - plenty fast enough to saturate USB2 or even USB3.
http://hitechanalogy.com/apple-64-g...5-to-get-24nm-toshiba-smartnand-flash-memory/
And of course, Thunderbolt would allow iPhones and iPads to access external, desktop-class hardware - everything from graphics cards to RAID arrays. You could easily convert an iPhone or iPad into a full-fledged computer with the help of a Thunderbolt dock, connected to a keyboard, hard drives, external monitors, wired Ethernet, a keyboard and mouse.
This would be a great way for Apple to enter the low-end computing space, displacing Dell and HP with a multifunction device that sells for a similar price, and could be expanded as-needed.
True.
Still as far as i know Xerox didn't actually have a working GUI?
Looks a lot like early Mac Os