'Hey Siri' Event Roundup: iPhone 6s, iPad Pro, New Apple TV and More

[RickInHouston]

My take:

4K - Where is the bandwidth for all the streaming going to come from? I just don't care for this.

The media is actually being quite brutal over this event. The only positives are the responses from sites that are cut/copy/pasting directly from apple's fact sheets provided to them (stick to the script or you will be cut out of any future events!)

Apple needs to hire young hip spokespeople to deliver these keynotes from now on. I just can't get excited about buying hot tech shilled from 60 year olds.

 

[skellener]

No new full sized, black keys, backlit, wireless and wired USB 3.0 hub keyboards.

 

[Crzyrio]

Windows is absolutely made for touch screens.



It's been there for years, and works great.



This is completely false. For years now tons of Windows programs have been optimized for touch (including Explorer and Office) and as it turns out, actually programs that weren't usually work flawlessly on touch screens too.

Yes I know actual programs work, all programs work but they are tedious to use. You named 2 Microsoft owned software products out of hundreds others that people use daily. Who in their right mind uses Internet Explorer.

 

[Wolfpup]

Yes I know actual programs work, all programs work but they are tedious to use. You named 2 Microsoft owned software products out of hundreds others that people use daily. Who in their right mind uses Internet Explorer.

What are you talking about? Internet Explorer has nothing to do with anything we were talking about, and there's nothing "tedious" about using programs. If anything, I find it far LESS "tedious" doing things in Windows than on an iPad as it multitasks 100,000x better. I'm quite often remoting in to a Windows system from my iPad to do things quickly that take ages on my iPad itself as it slooooooooowly loads one program, then slooooooooowly loads another as I'm copying and pasting or whatever.

 

[Crzyrio]

What are you talking about? Internet Explorer has nothing to do with anything we were talking about, and there's nothing "tedious" about using programs. If anything, I find it far LESS "tedious" doing things in Windows than on an iPad as it multitasks 100,000x better. I'm quite often remoting in to a Windows system from my iPad to do things quickly that take ages on my iPad itself as it slooooooooowly loads one program, then slooooooooowly loads another as I'm copying and pasting or whatever.

Tedious because everything is made for the mouse, all the icons are small and not easily selectable with your fingers.

 

[Wolfpup]

Tedious because everything is made for the mouse

Not true, and not relevant if it were true. Touch subs in for a mouse just fine.

all the icons are small and not easily selectable with your fingers.

Completely false. Everything by default works just fine, but if it doesn't for you you can always make things bigger, etc.

It sounds like you've never actually used it.

 

[Shlooky]

I just wish they had better front face options as well.
For example...
The gold and or rose gold iPhone would look hot with a black front face. Just saying!

 

[melendezest]

The most impressive Apple keynote in many years.

The Apple TV was unexpectedly very well thought-out, the iPad Pro is the iPad to get (my artist daughter will want one immediately, with the Apple pencil of course), and even the iPhone with 3D touch was innovative.

As much as I dislike iOS's look and lockdown, I cannot argue with the hardware and software elegance that Apple still builds into their products.

Even the watch presentation showed me some useful applications of the software and the benefits of Apple's ecosystem integration.

But most of all, I enjoyed Apple's videos. Man, they make every piece of hardware look amazing, inside and out. Their marketing team is really strong with the Force. Everything looks so smooth...

Bravo, Apple.

After so long, I am tempted once more to buy what you're selling.

 

[Crzyrio]

Not true, and not relevant if it were true. Touch subs in for a mouse just fine.



Completely false. Everything by default works just fine, but if it doesn't for you you can always make things bigger, etc.

It sounds like you've never actually used it.

I have used the surface and that is the single thing that ruined the experience for me. We both have different view on things then.

I much prefer a mobile OS on my tablets.

 

[Wolfpup]

I have used the surface and that is the single thing that ruined the experience for me. We both have different view on things then.

I much prefer a mobile OS on my tablets.

Well I use a Surface daily, and over half my iPad usage is to remote in to a Windows 8 PC to do things the iPad can't do or can't do well, and this isn't opinion. It works, really, REALLY well.

Windows *IS* a "mobile OS". It's just also a full, real OS too.

Windows is what Apple should have done years ago. The idea that somehow it's not awesome to have a full OS is just silly marketing BS from Apple. If they could manage to do it on a phone, that would be awesome too. (And actually it sounds like the at least some phones will have a desktop of some sort when plugged in to a monitor/keyboard/mouse, but of course be limited to Universal apps.)

 

[Giganova]

I really don't understand what so many people are complaining about. I think this was one of the strongest Apple presentations in many years and their new products and features are amazing. If you have an iPhone 6, of course there's no reason to upgrade to a 6S, what were you thinking? The "S" cycle is just a product refresh, not a new product, so why don't you sit down again and wait one year (oh my god!!) All that negativity is just plain silly.

 

[duervo]

USD/CAD exchange rate priced me out of this upgrade.

I cannot justify paying $250 CAD more than what I paid for iPhone 6 for last year for those "improvements"

With taxes and FOREX, in Canadian Dollar, - Apple used 36.5% markup for CAD/USD exchange... (and before AppleCare):
iPhone 6S - $1309 CAD
iPhone 6S Plus - $1456 CAD
iPad Mini 4 - $744 CAD

iPad Pro - $1463 CAD, then add on top pencil and keyboard case.. going to run close to $2k, just not worth it

That's my take on it right now too. Except, I'm going to wait and see what types of apps get developed for it, and then decide if I want to take the plunge into the iPad Pro end.

BTW, that's a lot of taxes! You should move to AB (You'd save $100 on just the iPhone 6s Plus alone)

 

[Crzyrio]

Well I use a Surface daily, and over half my iPad usage is to remote in to a Windows 8 PC to do things the iPad can't do or can't do well, and this isn't opinion. It works, really, REALLY well.

Windows *IS* a "mobile OS". It's just also a full, real OS too.

Windows is what Apple should have done years ago. The idea that somehow it's not awesome to have a full OS is just silly marketing BS from Apple. If they could manage to do it on a phone, that would be awesome too. (And actually it sounds like the at least some phones will have a desktop of some sort when plugged in to a monitor/keyboard/mouse, but of course be limited to Universal apps.)

Like I said, its comes down to personal preference in the end.

I use my phone to remote into my mac at home as well and for me it is a horrible experience, it doesnt make sense unless required.

Running a desktop OS on a phone is no problem, it just doesnt make sense.

 

[Wolfpup]

Like I said, its comes down to personal preference in the end.

I use my phone to remote into my mac at home as well and for me it is a horrible experience, it doesnt make sense unless required.

Well sure, but that's for several reasons:

1) You're doing it on a phone, with a tiny screen. I'm doing it on an iPad with a screen size that works well for doing it.
2) You're doing it to OS X, which doesn't have proper touch support. Windows does, it works fantastically with touch.
3) Sounds like you're going across the Internet. I've probably got far more bandwidth as I'm doing it locally.

It's an "okay" but not great experience when I've remoted in to 7 from a 4.5" phone. It's a far, far different/better experience going in to 8 from a 9.7" tablet. While it's better still being local, Windows is sooooo much more capable that I'm still frequently choosing to use Windows remotely rather than my iPad itself locally.

Running a desktop OS on a phone is no problem, it just doesnt make sense.

Well maybe not yet, but hopefully it'll happen soon. We're long past the point where a crippled OS makes no sense for a tablet (save for inertia in some cases)...we're down to 7" just fine, and that's not far off from the 5" phones typically are...

 

[Crzyrio]

Well sure, but that's for several reasons:

1) You're doing it on a phone, with a tiny screen. I'm doing it on an iPad with a screen size that works well for doing it.
2) You're doing it to OS X, which doesn't have proper touch support. Windows does, it works fantastically with touch.
3) Sounds like you're going across the Internet. I've probably got far more bandwidth as I'm doing it locally.

It's an "okay" but not great experience when I've remoted in to 7 from a 4.5" phone. It's a far, far different/better experience going in to 8 from a 9.7" tablet. While it's better still being local, Windows is sooooo much more capable that I'm still frequently choosing to use Windows remotely rather than my iPad itself locally.



Well maybe not yet, but hopefully it'll happen soon. We're long past the point where a crippled OS makes no sense for a tablet (save for inertia in some cases)...we're down to 7" just fine, and that's not far off from the 5" phones typically are...

stil, there is not a single professional desktop app that is optimized for touch/tablet.

Your telling me it's just as easy to use desktop photoshop on a tablet? All the icons are tiny and you have so many tools to work with, same goes for any recording software. Heck, even for something simple like VLC. The tablet app is optimized for tablets making everything easy to access and work with.

As compared to using VLC on your surface with tiny ass menus. That are not easy to select with fingers.

I would much rather have a version of Photoshop that is made specifically for a tablet.


Let's just leave it at personal preference.

 

[OTACORB]

I don't have any issues with Bluetooth, a laggy OS, or clearing cache. Hell, I'd have to look up exactly how to even do so.

That being said, you are entitled to prefer iOS over Android. Sounds like the premium is there for you to pay more for iPhone. It is not there for me.

BTW, Samsung says they are not laying off 10,000:http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20150909001144

Good for you, but unfortunately google support web site is full of threads with these issue on LG's HTC, Samsung's and even Nexus devices. So, count your blessings, because many users do have these issue. I've been dealing with it for the last 3 years. For me it isn't a matter of preference it is a matter of actually having a devices that provides the level of service and functionality that I would want and expect. By the way you act as though iPhones are like dramatically more expensive than the high end Androids that I purchased. You would be WRONG about that. They are basically in the same price range. I would actually prefer to stay with Android, but I gotta get what works for me.

I am glad Samsung isn't letting go of 10,000 employees that wouldn't be good for those folks. However, they do have sagging revenue in the last 7 quarters as indicated by their financials and they have lost marketshare to Apple over the last 3 quarters (well since the iPhone 6 was released). You can't beat Apple trying to replicate their strategies. Samsung was on the right path for awhile though.

 

[eclecticDS]

I watched the video at 1.5x and found that Tim finally speaks at a normal speed LOL

 

[69650]

Huh.. What?.. Unless you mean "in the UK" I'm having trouble thinking of anything your smart TV has that the ATV doesn't.

Yes I did mean "in the UK" because the channel line up on Apple TV here is very poor.

 

[Wolfpup]

stil, there is not a single professional desktop app that is optimized for touch/tablet.

Well that's obviously false

Your telling me it's just as easy to use desktop photoshop on a tablet?

Can be easier, since you're drawing directly on the device, can use it anywhere, etc., which is why a lot of artists use them.

 

[Crzyrio]

Well that's obviously false



Can be easier, since you're drawing directly on the device, can use it anywhere, etc., which is why a lot of artists use them.

Then give me an example? The only desktop applications that have been optimized for the tablet space are those made by microsoft.

Go look at what Photoshop looks on the desktop, there are a TON of tools, pallets, menus that are tiny and will be very frustrating for anyone trying to use it. And then look at ProTools.

 

[Wolfpup]

Then give me an example? The only desktop applications that have been optimized for the tablet space are those made by microsoft.

Go look at what Photoshop looks on the desktop, there are a TON of tools, pallets, menus that are tiny and will be very frustrating for anyone trying to use it. And then look at ProTools.

If you're talking about drawing programs specifically, ALL of them are optimized for touch. You do realize professional artists have been using the Surface Pro line for years because it works so well for this stuff, right?