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Please read, it may be long but extremely important to plastic materials in tech

Samsung case is replaceable and in all likelihood everyone would have wrapped it in a case....so in reality it does not really matter if the phone is made of plastic or 24 carrot gold....

Plastic is a major pollutant and a serious global epidemic. Before dismissing me, please read my post; I wrote it for an hour to shorten it as much as possible to keep people from disregarding it. Thanks so much!

I pass this along as I am passionate on this matter, I do not want to leave a caustic planet to my children, nor do I want to destroy the oceans and wildlife that are negatively impacted by our out of control consumerism and waste. I know this is a long post, but it's a quick read and so important to all of us. E-waste is a serious negative factor, especially with plastics. Please take the moment :)

Every year, Americans throw away enough paper and plastic cups, forks, and spoons to circle the equator 300 times. Recycling plastic produces more waste, consumes more energy and most don't recycle. Recycling produces more pollutants, including chemical stews when breaking down different products. Recycling is not cost-efficient and annually results in a net loss. It costs $50-60 to landfill a ton versus $150+/- to recycle. Only the recycling of aluminum really makes any money. Reclaiming metals is feasible and fairly easy, whereas plastics and paper are expensive, wasteful and overly difficult. The biggest disadvantage to recycling is that it gives the consuming public a false sense of 'security'; a sense that they're doing something to benefit the environment. Except for materials like metal and some glass, recycling is almost always bad for the environment. One of the best places to start is with a report from Perc.org, called the Eight Great Myths of Recycling.
One argument made for recycling notes that we live on a finite planet. With a growing population, we must, it seems, run out of resources.

There are 2 plastic islands the size of Texas, one in the Pacific Ocean - the "Great Pacific garbage patch"and one in the Indian Ocean and more being discovered almost monthly.

The patch is characterized by exceptionally high concentrations of pelagic plastics, chemical sludge and other debris that have been trapped by the currents of the North Pacific Gyre. Despite its size and density, the patch is not visible from satellite photography, since it consists primarily of suspended particulates in the upper water column. Since plastics break down to even smaller polymers, concentrations of submerged particles are not visible from space, nor do they appear as a continuous debris field.

Charles Moore - TED discussion on plastic - a 7 minutes presentation on alarming facts regarding plastic recycling and increasing rate of waste.

As Japan has a serious garbage epidemic, a Japanese scientist invented a machine that breaks any plastic down into oil! I've mentioned it on MacRumors before as it's an issue very relevant to the tech industry from e-waste and common use of plastic (here for example). This device is no larger than a microwave and uses less energy than a coffee maker. Read the first article, then watch the short 5 min video, if for nothing else than the tech as it's amazing. Hoping quick mainstream adoption lowers the $10k price tag quickly enough for residential use and can make up for its price by reusing the oil. Used in large industrial recycling centers would be amazing!

Plastic to oil fantastic


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Aluminum is currently the best material for mass production in products, especially tech due to e-waste. Bauxite being the most common aluminium ore. Refinement uses much less energy to produce, and is improving with recent advancements, especially compared to the Hall-Héoult Process (the major industrial process aluminum extraction). Aluminum is theoretically 100% recyclable without any loss of its natural qualities and requires only 5% of the energy used to produce aluminium from ore, though a significant part (up to 15% of the input material) is lost as dross (ash-like oxide). Recycled aluminium is known as secondary aluminium, but maintains the same physical properties as primary aluminium. Secondary aluminium is produced in a wide range of formats and is employed in 80% of alloy injections. The process produces aluminium billets, together with a highly complex waste material, which can be reused as a filler in asphalt and concrete.

If you got this far, thank you. Collectively we can make a difference by "voting with our dollars".

Hope everyone is enjoying the weekend! :)
 

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Assuming the polycarbonate iPhone is real, I'm kind of doubtful we'll ever see it in the US. My guess is that this will be targeted at developing markets like China, where the iPhone lags way behind due to price. I imagine that Apple will continue to offer a low-memory version of their previous iPhone as their "low cost" option in developed nations.

This iPhone is meant to accomplish two things:

- Establish the Lightning connector in the complete lineup of iOS-devices.
(The iPad 2 will be discontinued as soon as the iPad 5 is released, with the iPad 4 probably dropping to the price the iPad 2 has now - the differences in form factor will be large enough to differentiate the iPad 4 and iPad 5, so that people who want the better device will still pickup the newest model).

Apple can't keep selling the iPhone 4S when they are pushing companies to release periphals using Lightning - for Lightning to thrive, Dock Connector has to die!

- Establish the 4" screen in the full lineup of iOS-devices.

Even the cheapest iPod Touch now has the 4" display, so they also want to get rid of the 3.5" one.



These both reasons are universal and they apply to the whole world, not just China or the developing world.


People always thought the iPad Mini would be released as a competitor to the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire tablets, selling for 249 or a maximum of 299$.
But they were wrong.
The iPad Mini wasn't Apples's "cheap tablet" - it was the smaller tablet and it's only an added bonus that it is also a bit more affordable.

The "cheap iPhone" will not be the "cheap iPhone" - it will be the Lightning+4"-display iPhone 4S, it is meant to bringt those features to the price point the iPhone 4S would take this fall - if they wouldn't replace it by the new model.

It is very likely that it will be sold for 450$ or free with a contract, maybe a tiny bit cheaper, but I doubt it will be sold for less than 399$.

It will use the same hardware as the iPod Touch 5, A5 SoC, 4" display etc, with the camera of the iPhone 4S or maybe even 5 (because that one is smaller).

It is a win-win situation:
The new iPhone will be cheaper to manufacture, so Apple will have a higher margin.
Customers will get a much better display and future-proof Lightning port.


The higher margin for Apple is important if you consider the probably higher manufacturing cost of the iPhone 5 (fitting the glass to the aluminium on the back with digital cameras, Scuffgate etc....).

I think we will from now on see the cheaper versions of iPhone models switching to plastic cases in the future, while this year Apple had the necessity to replace the iPhone 4S with a completely new device due to Lightning and display, this will also apply to the iPhone 5, no way they will sell it for 450$ due to the higher manufacturing cost.
It will be cheaper to create a new version using the case of the "cheaper iPhone" in 2014.
 
It actually looks pretty nice. I wonder what Apple will call it though? Surely they would never call it the "budget iPhone" or anything else that made it sound cheap. Also can't call it the iPhone mini when it's the same size. Maybe they will just call it iPhone and call the new aluminum iPhones "iPhone Pro".
 
What a shame, I wish Apple stuck to their guns. It looked like Samsung was about to turn the corner and stop making their plastic phones, or at least that's what rumor said for what it's worth.
 
Ugly much?

Guess time will tell.

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It actually looks pretty nice. I wonder what Apple will call it though? Surely they would never call it the "budget iPhone" or anything else that made it sound cheap. Also can't call it the iPhone mini when it's the same size. Maybe they will just call it iPhone and call the new aluminum iPhones "iPhone Pro".

How can a phone be 'pro' though?

I just think it'll be another model of iPhone - just a different price on the website.

iPhone - £329
iPhone - £529
 
I think this looks nicer than any of the other low-cost phones out there. Apple needs to get people into the "system" with lower priced options. Like a BMW 1 series. Get people hooked and vested in the Eco system, and they may stick around and buy higher quality products in the future. I think it is a needed step for Apple.

They used to make their products so good people would pay the premiums to get into the eco system after a few hours playing with the product at an Apple store.

I guess when their flagship phone is the same experience as it was in 2010 (plus siri and a 1/2" longer screen) and looking really old-fashioned next to the competition, they need to do something to keep people buying.

Welcome to Timmy's Apple.
 
They might do a black model, there just hasn't been a leak of one.

Maybe they have decided they don't want the same colour combinations on the plastic and metal models to further differentiate them.

That makes sense, yes, but I personally think Apple should stick to the black and white they have now. Coloured plastic will look too childish, IMO.
 
That people still think this is anything more than the 4S replacement for the next product cycle is hysterical. They're not going to keep selling the 4S with the dock connector and 3:2 screen for another year when every other product is moving to Lightning and all the pocket devices have 16:9 screens. It's as simple as that. Now was the time to make a new lower-end option, but it's going to be priced like the iPhone 4S previously would be in the coming product cycle.

I'm trying to think why Apple would keep the 4S and excepting for 30 pin holdouts, there isn't any reason. So that means that this iPhone might become the 0$ on contract phone, probably with only 16GB of memory. As you say, more important to bring 16:9 ubiquity and the Lightning connector to the developed world than worry about margin compression.

The real question in my mind is whether Apple will bring the Qualcomm WTR1625L to the 5S and eliminate the fragmentation of various carrier frequency bands.
 
How can a phone be 'pro' though?

Serious? :)
Pro is just part of their branding, it's quite simply what they're using for their higher end products.

Going with your thinking, try and name a mobile phone that's ever been on sale and hasn't been used professionally :)
 
That video is laughable. All the (excessive) dramatic lighting, flashes and sound effects to end up saying "Budget iPhone"??? Lawlz...
 
for me, it's the carrier contract... let's get a lower-priced version there as well

Ding ding ding!!!

Even if this phone is free (subsidized) you still need to pay around $100/mo. When you add up the total cost of ownership over a two year period the price differential between a "cheap" phone and an "expensive" one is not that large-- in the end they are both expensive. Until carriers start letting you purchase an iPhone without a data plan, or get it on a pay-as-you go basis, nothing will be really "budget."

The notion that Apple needs to make a cheap iPhone to compete with Samsung doesn't fly. They are all expensive at the end of the day.
 
Wow! Overly dramatic much?

And I don't just mean the video, I mean discussion of what it LOOKS like?

It's going to look like the iPhone 5 which looks like the 4/4s which looks like the 3. I'm really not being overly simplistic here. They all look pretty much the same other than the color.

Function is what really matters. Is it faster? Do I get my 3D camera? Does it weigh less? Does it look better in bright light? Is it faster?

Personally, other than the screen, I don't worry about the looks. Yes, if I have my choice of colors, I'll pick what I like best, but the excitement generated over minor changes in design I don't really understand. But that's generally how I feel about cars too.

Gary
 
I wouldn't buy it, I love my premium glass and metal. But I know there's a lot of people who would love this!!!! Great idea Apple :)
 
I wonder will it have the same internals as the iPhone 5? I hope Apple use A6 and the 8MP camera, and stop producing A5 devices - surely with the high production numbers of these components for the iPhone 5 using it for another (perhaps 3 if the iPad Mini 2 and next iPod Touch gets A6) device will lower the cost even more per component. Ideally I would like to see:

iPhone 5S - A7
Budget iPhone - A6
iPad (5th Gen) - A7X
iPad Mini 2 - A6 (or A6X if it has retina)
iPod Touch - A6
iWatch - A6

I think it will be a 4S inside it. They'll keep the A5 for another year because the 5 will be 99$ and if this had an A6 I doubt many people would choose the 5 when they can get a more colourful phone (important to many people).
 
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